🐱 Ms. Marvel and Thor 4 Highlight Massive Hypocrisy Regarding the MCU's Criticism

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One of the most interesting aspects of the Marvel Cinematic Universe is how progressive it's gotten over the last few years. Some naysayers, though, have ignorantly chalked it up to agendas and forcing liberalism into art. However, it's simply Marvel Studios trying to tell more cosmopolitan stories -- ones that are more diverse, inclusive, feminist and overall, instilling a sense of acceptance.

Still, haters just can't stand this direction, while others, who think they're coming from an objective perspective, can't see the tone-deaf nature of their concerns. Instead, these folks are ignoring how this is a teething out process, with recent criticisms of Ms. Marvel and Thor: Love and Thunder truly bringing to light the hypocrisy over how they bash the MCU.


Now, the MCU made bold steps with Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Eternals, adding more equality in its stories with more people of color, minorities, and queer characters. Given the money these movies made, clearly, there was a market who loved these tales. Yet haters persisted, now arguing over how jarring Phase Four has gotten, which was always going to happen as the MCU became more nuanced and multidimensional.

Ironically, with Ms. Marvel and Thor 4 out around the same time, the same trite arguments were used -- there was too much humor, the action suffered, the origins of some characters' powersdidn't add up, cameos felt superficial, etc. That's not to say these properties aren't suffering from problems, but these issues aren't inherent to them alone. In fact, they occurred in the earlier Phases as well.

Captain America: The First Avenger, Thor: The Dark World, the Ant-Man movies, Iron Man 2 and 3, Avengers: Age of Ultron, Black Widow and many other properties before these had the same flaws. Yet for some reason, the excuse was used that the MCU was feeling itself out, adjusting and perfecting the formula in the nascent stage. So, why are these newer properties being held to such higher standards, and receiving more scathing, caustic criticism?

It's highly reminiscent of the flak Netflix's He-Manand She-Ra reboots got, which deviated from the all-white, testosterone-driven nature of the '80s. This ignorance was also seen with certain white critics failing to understand Turning Red was not for them, yet still able to carry a universal message. Instead, these properties should be appreciated for what they are -- trying to create kaleidoscope stories with communities, while diving into other cultures, as seen with as Kamala's Pakistani and Islamic heritage. In fact, Phase Four should be given more leeway because it's much more ambitious and bold -- again, exemplified by Jane as the Mighty Thor, and Valkyrie and Korg getting their queer stories detailed even more. It's speaking more to the concept of "the other," to the point the progressive nature's getting MCU films banned in certain countries.

Does that absolve the properties of narrative errors and provide a hall-pass to, as the critics say, tell stories that "suck." No, but again, Phase Four isn't messing up the way the earlier MCU objectified Black Widow, had Tony Stark making misogynistic comments, or forced Hydra in as the creator of Wanda's powers. Ultimately, many problems being chided now happened back then, yet the chorus of harsh words was less vociferous and for some mysterious reason, much more forgiving. The proof's in the pudding: once the MCU takes its time, and fans are patient, the creatives will subvert the lore, mixing and matching. In doing so, while haters call it "woke," Phase Four will eventually iron out its kinks to continue the evolution of Marvel Studios for audiences that are spending a lot of money on stories steeped in love, acceptance and unity.
 
I didn't even know Phase 4 was a thing yet, and I'm worse for knowing so. I'll just bury myself in old VHS's again for awhile.
We're well into Dracula meets the Wolfman/House of Frankenstein territory at this point. What a train wreck.
Those movies at least had some kind of charm.
 
Black panther is where it took the downhill turn. The gfx in the last act of that movie was so awful but people were distracted by the press of how progressive it was as a whole
Imagine feeling real life racial pride over some weird alternate history version of Africa invented by a couple of Jewish comic book writers.

I still can't wrap my head around how fucking embarrassing that is.
 
Here's a revolutionary thought: maybe it's because the MCU effectively concluded with Endgame. It took three of their most popular characters off the board and what the fans are getting now are pale imitations of the originals. No one was clamoring for Ms. Marvel (who has the lowest viewership of the Disney+ shows), Eternals was an abysmal failure, and Thor: Love and Thunder [1] is crashing and burning. At least Spider-Man: No Way Home had the nostalgia factor and Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness rode its coattails to nearly $1B. There is also the fact that Phase Four has no cohesion whatsoever and both Phases Five and Six look like Marvel throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Never mind the fact that they are pushing about 8-10 years worth of stories at breakneck pace through never-ending deluge of films and Disney+ garbage. It took eleven years to get from Iron Man to Avengers: Endgame. Now they want to do it in less than three years? No. Thanks.

[1] I just checked Box Office Mojo. Thor: Love and Thunder is in its third week and only earned $292M on a $250M budget. Given Disney's absurd promotional budgets (the accepted "break even" point is 2x the production budget), it looks like Marvel is going to lose money on this. I have a feeling this is the canary in the coal mine as some fans are voicing their displeasure that Marvel didn't recast T'Challa for Wakanda Forever.
 
That, I don't know, its fucking boring? That nobody is allowed to stray outside of the formula without getting a slap? That Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness should have been a horror movie? Like just let a fucking AI write the scripts at this point. They're just bland fucking gruel now. Its the same shit, OVER AND OVER AND OVER. Progressive or not, its bland fucking gruel. Fucking make a closed story, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST. They should have just swept everything clean after Infinity War and drew up a new universe. You can't do what you did in a decade and do it every three years. Its just not going to work. You're condensing 10 years of meticulous planning down to 2-3 and its like 'Wut'. You just can't fucking do something like that. That's what D.C. tried to do and it at least learned 'Fuck it' and just had separate continuities and did different things with its characters. Different series for different audiences. But everything wants to be gruel and D.C. seems like it wants to try the cinematic universe again.

Honestly, the fact that the MCU worked out was probably just luck. The problem is that movies are a business. And the way businesses are designed to work in the U.S. is short term returns. Nobody wants to hear, "Yeah, we're doing another 10 year long development cycle and slowly cultivating good stories and making each new movie feel like an event." They want "WE'RE GOING TO DO INFINITY WAR IN 3 YEARS INSTEAD OF 10, YOU'ER GOING TO GET 500 BAJILLION DFOLLARY DOOOSSSS!!!!111 NUMBER GO UP!" Its the idea of doing more with less, which is a complete fucking oxymoron. So yeah, no shit you're going to fail. You're trying to speed run a fucking cinematic universe. You can't make the storytelling connections you did in 2-3 years that you did in 10, ESPECIALLY when 90% of your characters are fucking dead or retired. I mean, when they fucking burned everything to the ground at the end of Infinity War, it was kind of like, "OK, what now?" The story of the MCU was completely wrapped up, there were no stories left to tell. Which is why Phase 4 was such a clusterfuck. There's nothing there to tell. The story is told. The only thing left is individuals in that specific universe. The people that tied them together are gone and they were VERY heavy hitters for the franchise that had a lot of time into them, which you can't easily replace. You either have to reboot, which is fine, I mean, shit is 10 years old, so you can reboot the thing or you have to recast the actors. Its ok, people can suspend their disbelief. There are different artists in comics all the time, I think people can handle different actors. But they just didn't think it through honestly. They thought they could literally switch out people and make shit work and it clearly did not. I mean, its like, what, you're going to have a world ending threat every 3 years? It just isn't going to work. And nobody wants to hear another decade for another Infinity War. Honestly, from a story-telling perspective, they were just completely fucked. Trying to re-ignite complete stories rarely works out well. Especially when arcs are done and most of the characters are just fucking gone.

You should have just fucking recast people or just ended the MCU with Infinity War. People can break their suspension of disbelief. We've had like 5 batmen and jokers and its all fucking fine. They've got nobody to replace the characters they've lost (And are going to lose when James Gunn leaves after GoG 3) and you just cannot run through that development.

The last movie I watched and probably will for a very long time was Dr. Strange and it was 'meh' and not worth 2 hours and 40 minute runtime. Also PG-13 Blade, fucking lol. Still no Punisher. Terrified of anything new, different or violent that might scare their soyboy audience away. Its just so. fucking. boring. I don't care. I don't care at ALL. I mean, I understand why they're scared. Their primary audience begins to wonder why 'The Northmen' didn't have a joke and punchlines every single moment of every scene so they didn't understand it. Their audience is a bunch of braindead faggots too stupid to understand something outside the formula. Usually I'm against series that underestimates the audience's intelligence, but Marvel clearly deserves it. I mean, you get the audience you deserve. You wanted braindead retards, you got them. Be careful what you wish for.
 
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Ironically, with Ms. Marvel and Thor 4 out around the same time, the same trite arguments were used -- there was too much humor, the action suffered, the origins of some characters' powersdidn't add up, cameos felt superficial, etc. That's not to say these properties aren't suffering from problems, but these issues aren't inherent to them alone. In fact, they occurred in the earlier Phases as well.
"How dare you enjoy last products and not current products?"
This ignorance was also seen with certain white critics failing to understand Turning Red was not for them, yet still able to carry a universal message.
Budget: 175 million
Gross receipts: 19 million WORLDWIDE
The author deserves a public indecency citation for trying to suck Disney's dick this hard in public.
 
Now, the MCU made bold steps with Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Eternals,

Black Panther 2 is getting flack for not recasting Bosewick, Eternals was a fucking failure but muh hecking diversity, the only reason Captain Marvel made a billion dollars was that it took place before Endgame.

Seems they're cramming alot of movies through and many could end up failing, of course they can always blame the core fanbase that has so supported the MCU for many years.
 
Now, the MCU made bold steps with Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Eternals, adding more equality in its stories with more people of color, minorities, and queer characters.
What people of color or queers were in Captain Marvel?

Nick Fury? Captain Marvel's black friend that shows up sometimes? Because Sam Jackson has been in Marvel before.

Phase 4 is just unfiltered garbage. You literally took all this time (several literal decades) to establish the Avengers and all of these links just to hastily throw them into the garbage for *checks notes* "She Hulk : Attorney at Law".

I get that it completely peaked with Endgame - but they really just blew through the entire Avengers catalog super fast for no conceivable reason. The entire Civil War arc was like a 10 minute fight in a parking lot. Every other major arc was just kind of a "if you squint you can see like two references to it" for all of the major arcs.

It feels really weird for them to rush through everything as fast as possible just to get to - Ms. Marvel - a boringly paced "young person discovers powers" show but slighly Muslim? (Hey look! There's a mosque! THATS HOW YOU KNOW. HOLY FUCK DID SHE SPEAK TWO WORDS IN MUSLIM?!?!!?).

They would have much more success if they kept the pace from Endgame - even if you're using new characters. It's more shocking, regardless of characters, to go from "Tony Stark died to save like 3.5 billion people" to "Here's a six episode show about a girl learning about how to use her powers and 'what it is to be a hero' with a stunning conclusion right out of Home Alone set in a school".
 
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