🐱 Ms. Marvel and Thor 4 Highlight Massive Hypocrisy Regarding the MCU's Criticism

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One of the most interesting aspects of the Marvel Cinematic Universe is how progressive it's gotten over the last few years. Some naysayers, though, have ignorantly chalked it up to agendas and forcing liberalism into art. However, it's simply Marvel Studios trying to tell more cosmopolitan stories -- ones that are more diverse, inclusive, feminist and overall, instilling a sense of acceptance.

Still, haters just can't stand this direction, while others, who think they're coming from an objective perspective, can't see the tone-deaf nature of their concerns. Instead, these folks are ignoring how this is a teething out process, with recent criticisms of Ms. Marvel and Thor: Love and Thunder truly bringing to light the hypocrisy over how they bash the MCU.


Now, the MCU made bold steps with Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Eternals, adding more equality in its stories with more people of color, minorities, and queer characters. Given the money these movies made, clearly, there was a market who loved these tales. Yet haters persisted, now arguing over how jarring Phase Four has gotten, which was always going to happen as the MCU became more nuanced and multidimensional.

Ironically, with Ms. Marvel and Thor 4 out around the same time, the same trite arguments were used -- there was too much humor, the action suffered, the origins of some characters' powersdidn't add up, cameos felt superficial, etc. That's not to say these properties aren't suffering from problems, but these issues aren't inherent to them alone. In fact, they occurred in the earlier Phases as well.

Captain America: The First Avenger, Thor: The Dark World, the Ant-Man movies, Iron Man 2 and 3, Avengers: Age of Ultron, Black Widow and many other properties before these had the same flaws. Yet for some reason, the excuse was used that the MCU was feeling itself out, adjusting and perfecting the formula in the nascent stage. So, why are these newer properties being held to such higher standards, and receiving more scathing, caustic criticism?

It's highly reminiscent of the flak Netflix's He-Manand She-Ra reboots got, which deviated from the all-white, testosterone-driven nature of the '80s. This ignorance was also seen with certain white critics failing to understand Turning Red was not for them, yet still able to carry a universal message. Instead, these properties should be appreciated for what they are -- trying to create kaleidoscope stories with communities, while diving into other cultures, as seen with as Kamala's Pakistani and Islamic heritage. In fact, Phase Four should be given more leeway because it's much more ambitious and bold -- again, exemplified by Jane as the Mighty Thor, and Valkyrie and Korg getting their queer stories detailed even more. It's speaking more to the concept of "the other," to the point the progressive nature's getting MCU films banned in certain countries.

Does that absolve the properties of narrative errors and provide a hall-pass to, as the critics say, tell stories that "suck." No, but again, Phase Four isn't messing up the way the earlier MCU objectified Black Widow, had Tony Stark making misogynistic comments, or forced Hydra in as the creator of Wanda's powers. Ultimately, many problems being chided now happened back then, yet the chorus of harsh words was less vociferous and for some mysterious reason, much more forgiving. The proof's in the pudding: once the MCU takes its time, and fans are patient, the creatives will subvert the lore, mixing and matching. In doing so, while haters call it "woke," Phase Four will eventually iron out its kinks to continue the evolution of Marvel Studios for audiences that are spending a lot of money on stories steeped in love, acceptance and unity.
 
Here's a revolutionary thought: maybe it's because the MCU effectively concluded with Endgame. It took three of their most popular characters off the board and what the fans are getting now are pale imitations of the originals. No one was clamoring for Ms. Marvel (who has the lowest viewership of the Disney+ shows), Eternals was an abysmal failure, and Thor: Love and Thunder [1] is crashing and burning. At least Spider-Man: No Way Home had the nostalgia factor and Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness rode its coattails to nearly $1B. There is also the fact that Phase Four has no cohesion whatsoever and both Phases Five and Six look like Marvel throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. Never mind the fact that they are pushing about 8-10 years worth of stories at breakneck pace through never-ending deluge of films and Disney+ garbage. It took eleven years to get from Iron Man to Avengers: Endgame. Now they want to do it in less than three years? No. Thanks.

[1] I just checked Box Office Mojo. Thor: Love and Thunder is in its third week and only earned $292M on a $250M budget. Given Disney's absurd promotional budgets (the accepted "break even" point is 2x the production budget), it looks like Marvel is going to lose money on this. I have a feeling this is the canary in the coal mine as some fans are voicing their displeasure that Marvel didn't recast T'Challa for Wakanda Forever.
It’s a combination of Endgame being a really, really good jumping-off point for a lot of folks who were ready to hop off the MCU train. They honestly did TOO good of a job there shelving basically all the important characters people cared about, leaving them with the D-listers and the side characters. To compensate, Disney is just pumping out a firehose of content with no clear direction.

For reference, the “Infinity Saga” averaged 2-3 movies per year - very reasonable to keep up with, going out with your friends to the movies a couple times a year to watch the latest Marvel flick really isn’t too much to demand of your average MCU fan. And I literally do mean “average” MCU fan here, not dedicated Marvel consoomers who are going to watch every movue 3 times and read all the theories. Certainly not all the movies are great, but despite their issues even the “bad” movies are still pretty watchable (Iron Man 2 and 3 are my guilty pleasure, I know they’re bad movies but I love them).

The Disney+ shows are really killing the MCU. They’re going from 2-3 movies a year to that plus tens of hours of mediocre TV, which you kinda HAVE to watch to keep up with what’s going on in the movies. Literally turning entertainment into homework. That’s honestly just too much to ask of the average MCU fan, who’s not gonna sign up for another streaming service and watch dozens of hours of extra content just to keep up with the water cooler conversation.
 
Note well that I don't watch capeshit and I can't comment on the particulars here.

But it's like these people don't understand that people want basic bitch shit.

More is not better. More just gives the thing an opportunity to suck. More just gives people burnout.

From 1977 to 1999, people fucking LOVED Star Wars. Universally beloved.

Then the new movies came out and it's like they went back in time and made the originals less good. Then they cranked out more movies. And then more after that.

Powerlevel but I was checking my phone during The Force Awakens. Is it over yet? Please let this be over.

Say what you will about Harry Fucking Potter but it had a beginning, a middle, and an end. Seven books, eight movies. Some other shit for the autists in the crowd. The Lord of the Rings movies by Peter Jackson had a beginning, a middle, and an end. Fucking Twilight sucked out loud but it had a beginning, a middle, and an end.

People want movies that are like a good burger with good fries and a good beer, but Disney and their ilk are churning out stuff where even if I wanted to watch them, it seems like sitting down and eating a family-size bag of chips all by yourself. One chip might be good, ten chips might be good, but 50 chips are just going to give you the shits.

OMG I just learned that The Simpsons is still on and I need a shot.
 
They ruined it killing Nat off however we did get redemption with three new characters that I found to be amazing.

Yelena Belova - Yeah she's the second widow but in all honesty she's fantastic. Accent is ehhh but its mainly her wit and facial expressions that make her work. And her clothes. Florence Pugh is a worthy successor in my opinion. (Fun fact: it was almost Emma Watson. yikes)

Valentina Allegra De Fontaine - She is the antithesis of Nick Fury. Julia Louis Dreyfus plays her perfectly as an elaborate troll. Ngl she made me laugh, as did Florence, which is a rarity since these MCU flicks have.....stupid humor?

Lucky the Pizza Dog - Best doggo. Loves pizza. Much love. A good boy.
 
Everybody's missing something more important here. The reason the previous phases were good wasn't only because it was a 10-years plan: it was because it had Captain America, Iron Man, Thor and Hulk; which could well be the most popular faces of Marvel aside from Spider Man. And these roles were played by strong actors who could indeed carry their movies on their shoulders because they were also well known and had charisma. It was a combination of many different factors that worked together.

Fine, they can try a new 10-year plan for the next phases, but with who exactly? MCU didn't mind that their main figures were four white men because those four white men were popular among chldren and adults, comic readers or not; but they mind that now. They still can use popular characters like the X-men or F4, but they don't want that. I'm sure many producers hate the fact that they only have the GotG and that Chris Pratt is white and male (and Chris Pratt).

Marvel exhausted the big comic names during the first phase. I understand why, but now they really don't have big names to use and those that remain are not the faces that Disney wants to promote.
 
Wasn't Turning Red a flop that divided audiences? A "universal message" from a movie about period pandas and a pro-choice joke doesn't mean that its immune to criticism. It really is sad that disagreeing now means you should "fuck off".

Phase 4 has been trash and I'm glad I haven't watched any MCU movie in its entirety since Endgame. I don't know whose interested, but I'm certainly not going to see Captain "Do Better Senator" or the adventures of Ms Brownie and Kaptain Karl.
 
Marvel exhausted the big comic names during the first phase. I understand why, but now they really don't have big names to use and those that remain are not the faces that Disney wants to promote.
It's almost like they ended up with a good cast by accident, and are now stuck doing the same thing over and over without ever understanding what they got right the first time.
 
So, why are these newer properties being held to such higher standards, and receiving more scathing, caustic criticism?

It's highly reminiscent of the flak Netflix's He-Manand She-Ra reboots got, which deviated from the all-white, testosterone-driven nature of the '80s.
Stop shitting on your original fanbase(that STILL wants to reconcile and spend money). These soylent jews should be thankful that peaceful negative reviews are all they're getting from a group they've insulted so repeatedly.
 
"This ignorance was also seen with certain white critics failing to understand Turning Red was not for them"

Yeah, even though a property was explicitly created not to appeal to you, watch it and love it anyway.

The worst part is how they abuse this argument.. As soon as you start talking about content that doesn't push some pet PC or woke issue, or gasp... something males like, then suddenly not being for "everyone" is literally a sin most grave!
 
Everybody's missing something more important here. The reason the previous phases were good wasn't only because it was a 10-years plan: it was because it had Captain America, Iron Man, Thor and Hulk; which could well be the most popular faces of Marvel aside from Spider Man. And these roles were played by strong actors who could indeed carry their movies on their shoulders because they were also well known and had charisma. It was a combination of many different factors that worked together.

Fine, they can try a new 10-year plan for the next phases, but with who exactly? MCU didn't mind that their main figures were four white men because those four white men were popular among chldren and adults, comic readers or not; but they mind that now. They still can use popular characters like the X-men or F4, but they don't want that. I'm sure many producers hate the fact that they only have the GotG and that Chris Pratt is white and male (and Chris Pratt).

Marvel exhausted the big comic names during the first phase. I understand why, but now they really don't have big names to use and those that remain are not the faces that Disney wants to promote.
I don't think they had much of a choice. At least with Robert Downey Jr I think he didn't want to be in his 60s and still play ironman. I can sort of understand that. 'I have hundreds of millions of dollars. I've been doing this shit for fifteen years. I'm gonna go and play Dr Dolittle or some ole people roles instead of this'. Dunno what the others deal was. Feels like Hemsworth wants to be a comedian though.

But yeah the only heavy hitter they have left is Spiderman. Maybe Dr Strange could have worked, but he'd have needed a more successful movie to pull it off.
 
Yet another article screaming "don't bully Disney, leave them alone!" Either directly paid for by them or more likely they vaguely hinted an article like this might mean more work long term and got this pandering thing for nothing.
Black panther is where it took the downhill turn. The gfx in the last act of that movie was so awful but people were distracted by the press of how progressive it was as a whole
The effects were dreadful, I still find it watchable though. It's not even close to the darling it pretends to be though.
 
It just felt off. It didn’t help that they had the two cgi leads bouncing around like (poorly rendered) ping pong balls.
Tone was the worst bit. They go from trying to be serious to "tee-hee the teenager just committed vehicular homicide and doesn't realise it."

That said Winston Duke as M'Baku looked to be having a blast throughout. So I expect his presence in the sequel to be entirely comedy relief or just a brief cameo.
 
Tone was the worst bit. They go from trying to be serious to "tee-hee the teenager just committed vehicular homicide and doesn't realise it."

That said Winston Duke as M'Baku looked to be having a blast throughout. So I expect his presence in the sequel to be entirely comedy relief or just a brief cameo.
He was my favorite part of the whole thing. Just make M’Baku the BP. Idc how, leverage the resources you have, people like what they know.
 
He was my favorite part of the whole thing. Just make M’Baku the BP. Idc how, leverage the resources you have, people like what they know.
Unfortunately M'Baku in the comics is Man Ape. And I think the film title Black Panther: Man Ape is near impossible not to be considered racist while Black Panther M'Baku doesn't really roll off the tongue.
 
I don't think they had much of a choice. At least with Robert Downey Jr I think he didn't want to be in his 60s and still play ironman. I can sort of understand that. 'I have hundreds of millions of dollars. I've been doing this shit for fifteen years. I'm gonna go and play Dr Dolittle or some ole people roles instead of this'. Dunno what the others deal was. Feels like Hemsworth wants to be a comedian though.

But yeah the only heavy hitter they have left is Spiderman. Maybe Dr Strange could have worked, but he'd have needed a more successful movie to pull it off.
Not only is Peter Parker stuck in a strange rights limbo with Sony, Tom Holland has said that he doesn’t really wanna play Spider-Man anymore, so there’s a pretty good chance they’re gonna be forced to introduce Miles Morales whether they want to or not.
 
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Not only is Peter Parker stuck in a strange fights limbo with Sony, Tom Holland has said that he doesn’t really wanna play Spider-Man anymore, so there’s a pretty good chance they’re gonna be forced to introduce Miles Morales whether they want to or not.
Imagine being one of the owners of disney and another actor goes 'I'm not really feeling it anymore' and you can just about see the mountains of billions of dollars slowly fading out of existence.
 
I'd take the "it's not for you" attitude on why you can't be critical of wokeshit as more valid if the same people also didn't expect you to buy a ticket, watch it, and like it..... as others have mentioned.

But, the REAL reason I don't go for movies anymore is that in addition to pretty much all of them becoming lazy CGI-filled spectacles, the film equivalent of a video game cutscene, is that studios have decided (much like video games) that movies will be a service.

Films no longer have "THE END" at the end, it feels like they have two buttons:

[MORE NOW] [MORE IN A LITTLE BIT]

Story is meaningless if it doesn't have a definitive end.

And not only are films designed to BE 10-year-planned franchises, with releases coming like DLC for a game.... but you can't even control the characters on screen.

Nobody LIKED the games-as-service model, Hollywood, why are you trying your darndest to copy it?
 
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Budget: 175 million
Gross receipts: 19 million WORLDWIDE
The author deserves a public indecency citation for trying to suck Disney's dick this hard in public.
Toy Story had a budget of $30M and they had to use a room-sized computer to render like 1 frame every 3 days, plus hire Tim Allen and Tom Hanks. How the fuck do you spend $175M on an animated movie with no ones starring?
 
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