🐱 Ms. Marvel and Thor 4 Highlight Massive Hypocrisy Regarding the MCU's Criticism

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One of the most interesting aspects of the Marvel Cinematic Universe is how progressive it's gotten over the last few years. Some naysayers, though, have ignorantly chalked it up to agendas and forcing liberalism into art. However, it's simply Marvel Studios trying to tell more cosmopolitan stories -- ones that are more diverse, inclusive, feminist and overall, instilling a sense of acceptance.

Still, haters just can't stand this direction, while others, who think they're coming from an objective perspective, can't see the tone-deaf nature of their concerns. Instead, these folks are ignoring how this is a teething out process, with recent criticisms of Ms. Marvel and Thor: Love and Thunder truly bringing to light the hypocrisy over how they bash the MCU.


Now, the MCU made bold steps with Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Eternals, adding more equality in its stories with more people of color, minorities, and queer characters. Given the money these movies made, clearly, there was a market who loved these tales. Yet haters persisted, now arguing over how jarring Phase Four has gotten, which was always going to happen as the MCU became more nuanced and multidimensional.

Ironically, with Ms. Marvel and Thor 4 out around the same time, the same trite arguments were used -- there was too much humor, the action suffered, the origins of some characters' powersdidn't add up, cameos felt superficial, etc. That's not to say these properties aren't suffering from problems, but these issues aren't inherent to them alone. In fact, they occurred in the earlier Phases as well.

Captain America: The First Avenger, Thor: The Dark World, the Ant-Man movies, Iron Man 2 and 3, Avengers: Age of Ultron, Black Widow and many other properties before these had the same flaws. Yet for some reason, the excuse was used that the MCU was feeling itself out, adjusting and perfecting the formula in the nascent stage. So, why are these newer properties being held to such higher standards, and receiving more scathing, caustic criticism?

It's highly reminiscent of the flak Netflix's He-Manand She-Ra reboots got, which deviated from the all-white, testosterone-driven nature of the '80s. This ignorance was also seen with certain white critics failing to understand Turning Red was not for them, yet still able to carry a universal message. Instead, these properties should be appreciated for what they are -- trying to create kaleidoscope stories with communities, while diving into other cultures, as seen with as Kamala's Pakistani and Islamic heritage. In fact, Phase Four should be given more leeway because it's much more ambitious and bold -- again, exemplified by Jane as the Mighty Thor, and Valkyrie and Korg getting their queer stories detailed even more. It's speaking more to the concept of "the other," to the point the progressive nature's getting MCU films banned in certain countries.

Does that absolve the properties of narrative errors and provide a hall-pass to, as the critics say, tell stories that "suck." No, but again, Phase Four isn't messing up the way the earlier MCU objectified Black Widow, had Tony Stark making misogynistic comments, or forced Hydra in as the creator of Wanda's powers. Ultimately, many problems being chided now happened back then, yet the chorus of harsh words was less vociferous and for some mysterious reason, much more forgiving. The proof's in the pudding: once the MCU takes its time, and fans are patient, the creatives will subvert the lore, mixing and matching. In doing so, while haters call it "woke," Phase Four will eventually iron out its kinks to continue the evolution of Marvel Studios for audiences that are spending a lot of money on stories steeped in love, acceptance and unity.
 
It's almost like they ended up with a good cast by accident, and are now stuck doing the same thing over and over without ever understanding what they got right the first time.
I wouldn't call it an accident. Casting RDJ, Scarlet Johannsson, Edward Norton, Samuel Jackson, etc. was done because they are good actors and they were going to play familiar characters. If someone tells me my favorite actor is playing my favorite character or a character that I like, I'd be ready to spend some money on it.

But like I said, it's a combination of several factors: Robert Downey Jr. playing Iron Man works because he's famous and the character is known. Eternals tried to do the same with a cast full of big names like Angelina Jolie and Salma Hayek, but it hasn't worked because the characters are unknown to the majority of people. And then, other characters they are casting dont' even have big names, they only have the actor being a minority that only a few millenial fans known about.

And it's not only the MCU. It worked well for the first Spider Man, and even the second reboot a bit. It also worked for Blade. Blade wasn't really known much outside comic fans, but Wesley Snipes was a big name and people were curious for how a comic book movie would work for mostly adults. And it worked.

I don't think they had much of a choice. At least with Robert Downey Jr I think he didn't want to be in his 60s and still play ironman
I agree, but I wasn't suggesting he should have continued playing the role. They just never acted like they were aware that he was going to drop the character at the end and they are now left with nothing similar.

But yeah the only heavy hitter they have left is Spiderman. Maybe Dr Strange could have worked, but he'd have needed a more successful movie to pull it off.
Strange was cucked out of his own movie to make place for Wanda. The first Strange was great and it was dark enough to give Strange the push to become the next male leader of the squad because Benadryl Cucumber can act and doesn't act like a child like Starlord does.

But, of course, they had to introduce that ridiculous story of Wanda and her kids and make the movie about that.
 
I wouldn't call it an accident. Casting RDJ, Scarlet Johannsson, Edward Norton, Samuel Jackson, etc. was done because they are good actors and they were going to play familiar characters. If someone tells me my favorite actor is playing my favorite character or a character that I like, I'd be ready to spend some money on it.

But like I said, it's a combination of several factors: Robert Downey Jr. playing Iron Man works because he's famous and the character is known. Eternals tried to do the same with a cast full of big names like Angelina Jolie and Salma Hayek, but it hasn't worked because the characters are unknown to the majority of people. And then, other characters they are casting dont' even have big names, they only have the actor being a minority that only a few millenial fans known about.

And it's not only the MCU. It worked well for the first Spider Man, and even the second reboot a bit. It also worked for Blade. Blade wasn't really known much outside comic fans, but Wesley Snipes was a big name and people were curious for how a comic book movie would work for mostly adults. And it worked.


I agree, but I wasn't suggesting he should have continued playing the role. They just never acted like they were aware that he was going to drop the character at the end and they are now left with nothing similar.


Strange was cucked out of his own movie to make place for Wanda. The first Strange was great and it was dark enough to give Strange the push to become the next male leader of the squad because Benadryl Cucumber can act and doesn't act like a child like Starlord does.

But, of course, they had to introduce that ridiculous story of Wanda and her kids and make the movie about that.
Not disagreeing he’s a great actor, but I remember faverau having to fight to get rdj cast. I believe he still was on the rebound from being a complete mess and iron man really saved his career
 
I wouldn't call it an accident. Casting RDJ, Scarlet Johannsson, Edward Norton, Samuel Jackson, etc. was done because they are good actors and they were going to play familiar characters. If someone tells me my favorite actor is playing my favorite character or a character that I like, I'd be ready to spend some money on it.

But like I said, it's a combination of several factors: Robert Downey Jr. playing Iron Man works because he's famous and the character is known. Eternals tried to do the same with a cast full of big names like Angelina Jolie and Salma Hayek, but it hasn't worked because the characters are unknown to the majority of people. And then, other characters they are casting dont' even have big names, they only have the actor being a minority that only a few millenial fans known about.

And it's not only the MCU. It worked well for the first Spider Man, and even the second reboot a bit. It also worked for Blade. Blade wasn't really known much outside comic fans, but Wesley Snipes was a big name and people were curious for how a comic book movie would work for mostly adults. And it worked.


I agree, but I wasn't suggesting he should have continued playing the role. They just never acted like they were aware that he was going to drop the character at the end and they are now left with nothing similar.


Strange was cucked out of his own movie to make place for Wanda. The first Strange was great and it was dark enough to give Strange the push to become the next male leader of the squad because Benadryl Cucumber can act and doesn't act like a child like Starlord does.

But, of course, they had to introduce that ridiculous story of Wanda and her kids and make the movie about that.
Ok let’s be real, none of these characters (except maybe Captain America) were household names before the MCU. People knew Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman, on the Marvel side people knew about Spiderman and the Hulk and Wolverine (…most of these likely attributable to their cinematic history), but nobody outside of comic nerds even knew Iron Man or Black Widow existed before the MCU.
 
However, it's simply Marvel Studios trying to tell more cosmopolitan stories -- ones that are more diverse, inclusive, feminist and overall, instilling a sense of acceptance.
So forcing liberalism into art?

It would not be so bad if the stories were not shit. If male characters were not almost always castrated on screen so that queens can slay. Whatever it does not concern me because I will not consume this garbage.
 
Ok let’s be real, none of these characters (except maybe Captain America) were household names before the MCU. People knew Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman, on the Marvel side people knew about Spiderman and the Hulk and Wolverine (…most of these likely attributable to their cinematic history), but nobody outside of comic nerds even knew Iron Man or Black Widow existed before the MCU.
Right, people forget that Marvel sold movie rights to their most popular characters before the MCU was conceived, that's why Hulk and all of the "missing" pieces of the MCU aren't in it or have special appearance agreements.
 
Maybe stop fucking bombarding me with movies every fucking month about retards I don't give a shit about, calling me a racist for not giving a shit, and then placing the one thing my cousins might actually want to watch in the middle so I'm forced to pay attention. Turning the one thing I MIGHT give a shit about into a glorified ad. By fucking design.

You really think I didn't notice that part btw? Everyone noticed, they just like consooming your dumbshit more, but I don't. Fuck you. You retards ruined an annual thing with family into... this shit. For what? 4 more bucks? Lmao.
 
Not only is Peter Parker stuck in a strange rights limbo with Sony, Tom Holland has said that he doesn’t really wanna play Spider-Man anymore, so there’s a pretty good chance they’re gonna be forced to introduce Miles Morales whether they want to or not.
Which will make Spider Gwen ree and get drunk. After all, IT'S HER TURN!
 
Say what you will about Harry Fucking Potter but it had a beginning, a middle, and an end. Seven books, eight movies. Some other shit for the autists in the crowd. The Lord of the Rings movies by Peter Jackson had a beginning, a middle, and an end. Fucking Twilight sucked out loud but it had a beginning, a middle, and an end.
They found ways to bring all of those back with more retarded sequels like the rings of power though.
 
So forcing liberalism into art?

It would not be so bad if the stories were not shit. If male characters were not almost always castrated on screen so that queens can slay. Whatever it does not concern me because I will not consume this garbage.
Are you telling me you're tired of stories where the main character's entire arc is about realizing how amazing and perfect and brave and strong she's been the whole time?

Cool it with the bigotry, chud.
 
Ok let’s be real, none of these characters (except maybe Captain America) were household names before the MCU. People knew Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman, on the Marvel side people knew about Spiderman and the Hulk and Wolverine (…most of these likely attributable to their cinematic history), but nobody outside of comic nerds even knew Iron Man or Black Widow existed before the MCU.
No, Ironman was kinda known. He wasn't giant name or anything but people did know that a hero named Ironman exited. He's the one in a red armor that makes him look like a robot. If for nothing else people made so many lame jokes about his name that he poped up once in while.
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Plus he actually has a good look inside and outside of his super horo costume so even if he wasn't a giant name he did stick in people's minds. Admittedly I was confused if he was DC or Marvel but even I a finnish girly girl had heard about him before MCU.
 
Not only is Peter Parker stuck in a strange rights limbo with Sony, Tom Holland has said that he doesn’t really wanna play Spider-Man anymore, so there’s a pretty good chance they’re gonna be forced to introduce Miles Morales whether they want to or not.
Damnit all. Into the Spiderverse gave us a good Miles by slipping in under the radar but a current year Miles movie is going to ruin a genuinely decent character.
Not disagreeing he’s a great actor, but I remember faverau having to fight to get rdj cast. I believe he still was on the rebound from being a complete mess and iron man really saved his career
To this day I maintain casting RDJ to play a womanizing alcoholic playboy was casting so obvious objecting to it was the stupider reaction.
 
"This ignorance was also seen with certain white critics failing to understand Turning Red was not for them"

Yeah, even though a property was explicitly created not to appeal to you, watch it and love it anyway.
The same people that complained about old marvel movies lacking inclusivity will now praise media like turning red for being deliberately made to exclude people.

The saddest part is that most people don't care about the hypocrisy.
 
Even if I cared about Marvel, Phase 4 is basically the Boruto, the Dragonball GT or the Godfather 3 of MCU.

You already had the big showdown against the super-villainest supervillain in the universe. People teamed up, people died, there were high stakes…. And now not only are you in the blowoff phase, you’re using third string jobbers to keep up interest.

Do what Akira Toriyama should have done and pull the plug!
 
Black Panther 2 is getting flack for not recasting Bosewick
I think this is one of the few decisions that they get a no questions asked pass on, considering he's dead.

My last Marvel movie was Infinity War. Didn't even go for Endgame. As far as I'm concerned, Big Purple won and half the universe died, and I have no regrets.

The same people that complained about old marvel movies lacking inclusivity will now praise media like turning red for being deliberately made to exclude people.
My take on this might be a bit controversial, but I think its actually a good thing. Make media designed to exclude people. Because by that design, your making an excellently targeted piece of niche media that will, if you've done your job right, be loved by its actual intended audience, instead of producing some generic shit that was 'focus tested' with the widest possible audience, focusing on nothing.

The real failure of Turning Red was taking something targeted at an absolute sliver of a sliver of the market, and giving it a massive budget while getting angry on the publication side over everyone else not wanting to watch it. Niche products get Niche budgets, that's just reality, and if you can't deal with that then you shouldn't be making them. Should have been a direct-to-streaming movie with a 8m budget and a tiny team.
 
My last Marvel movie was Infinity War. Didn't even go for Endgame. As far as I'm concerned, Big Purple won and half the universe died, and I have no regrets.
You didn't miss much.

I was really impressed with just how well-paced and well-edited Infinity War was considering the sheer number of characters and story threads to keep track of, while Endgame felt as slow and plodding and self-indulgent as what you'd more normally expect from a big spectacle movie.
 
My take on this might be a bit controversial, but I think its actually a good thing. Make media designed to exclude people. Because by that design, your making an excellently targeted piece of niche media that will, if you've done your job right, be loved by its actual intended audience, instead of producing some generic shit that was 'focus tested' with the widest possible audience, focusing on nothing.
I agree, I'm just sick of the blatant hypocrisy.

When white men get something they like it's racist, sexist, is causing tangible violence, and must be stopped.

When anyone else gets something they like it's a positive expression of culture that is changing the world for the better.
 
it's simply Marvel Studios trying to tell more cosmopolitan stories -- ones that are more diverse, inclusive, feminist and overall, instilling a sense of acceptance.
And all at the expense of entertainment. You know, the one thing that these popcorn flicks are supposed to do.


Now, the MCU made bold steps with Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Eternals, adding more equality in its stories with more people of color, minorities, and queer characters.
That nobody likes...
Phase Four isn't messing up the way the earlier MCU objectified Black Widow, had Tony Stark making misogynistic comments
How dare they make a character three dimensional and have flaws!!!! 😡
 
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