🐱 Ms. Marvel and Thor 4 Highlight Massive Hypocrisy Regarding the MCU's Criticism

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One of the most interesting aspects of the Marvel Cinematic Universe is how progressive it's gotten over the last few years. Some naysayers, though, have ignorantly chalked it up to agendas and forcing liberalism into art. However, it's simply Marvel Studios trying to tell more cosmopolitan stories -- ones that are more diverse, inclusive, feminist and overall, instilling a sense of acceptance.

Still, haters just can't stand this direction, while others, who think they're coming from an objective perspective, can't see the tone-deaf nature of their concerns. Instead, these folks are ignoring how this is a teething out process, with recent criticisms of Ms. Marvel and Thor: Love and Thunder truly bringing to light the hypocrisy over how they bash the MCU.


Now, the MCU made bold steps with Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Eternals, adding more equality in its stories with more people of color, minorities, and queer characters. Given the money these movies made, clearly, there was a market who loved these tales. Yet haters persisted, now arguing over how jarring Phase Four has gotten, which was always going to happen as the MCU became more nuanced and multidimensional.

Ironically, with Ms. Marvel and Thor 4 out around the same time, the same trite arguments were used -- there was too much humor, the action suffered, the origins of some characters' powersdidn't add up, cameos felt superficial, etc. That's not to say these properties aren't suffering from problems, but these issues aren't inherent to them alone. In fact, they occurred in the earlier Phases as well.

Captain America: The First Avenger, Thor: The Dark World, the Ant-Man movies, Iron Man 2 and 3, Avengers: Age of Ultron, Black Widow and many other properties before these had the same flaws. Yet for some reason, the excuse was used that the MCU was feeling itself out, adjusting and perfecting the formula in the nascent stage. So, why are these newer properties being held to such higher standards, and receiving more scathing, caustic criticism?

It's highly reminiscent of the flak Netflix's He-Manand She-Ra reboots got, which deviated from the all-white, testosterone-driven nature of the '80s. This ignorance was also seen with certain white critics failing to understand Turning Red was not for them, yet still able to carry a universal message. Instead, these properties should be appreciated for what they are -- trying to create kaleidoscope stories with communities, while diving into other cultures, as seen with as Kamala's Pakistani and Islamic heritage. In fact, Phase Four should be given more leeway because it's much more ambitious and bold -- again, exemplified by Jane as the Mighty Thor, and Valkyrie and Korg getting their queer stories detailed even more. It's speaking more to the concept of "the other," to the point the progressive nature's getting MCU films banned in certain countries.

Does that absolve the properties of narrative errors and provide a hall-pass to, as the critics say, tell stories that "suck." No, but again, Phase Four isn't messing up the way the earlier MCU objectified Black Widow, had Tony Stark making misogynistic comments, or forced Hydra in as the creator of Wanda's powers. Ultimately, many problems being chided now happened back then, yet the chorus of harsh words was less vociferous and for some mysterious reason, much more forgiving. The proof's in the pudding: once the MCU takes its time, and fans are patient, the creatives will subvert the lore, mixing and matching. In doing so, while haters call it "woke," Phase Four will eventually iron out its kinks to continue the evolution of Marvel Studios for audiences that are spending a lot of money on stories steeped in love, acceptance and unity.
 
The MCU was never good and the fact that you ever liked it should severely embarrass you. You’ve let your expectations get so low that they’re being crushed under Disney’s foot and only now when Disney steps in actual dog shit do any of you have wherewithal to complain. It’s disgusting and you really should be ashamed of yourselves.
 
Strange was cucked out of his own movie to make place for Wanda. The first Strange was great and it was dark enough to give Strange the push to become the next male leader of the squad because Benadryl Cucumber can act and doesn't act like a child like Starlord does.
Post Endgame, I was figuring that Strange would take the place of Tony as the brains of the Avengers, while T'Challa would replace Cap as the "heart."

That may have actually been Marvel's plan, until Chadwick Boseman's death.
 
No, Ironman was kinda known. He wasn't giant name or anything but people did know that a hero named Ironman exited. He's the one in a red armor that makes him look like a robot. If for nothing else people made so many lame jokes about his name that he poped up once in while.
IM had his own cartoon series around the time of the animated X-men one. I'm sure people who are around 40 now watched it.
 
Goddamn do I hate the MCU and I speak as someone who spent thousands on Marvel omnibuses. There were so many great storylines that Marvel and Disney glossed over all so they can have their girl power M-She-U shit. I could go on and on about all the great storylines Marvel and Disney didn't do for the MCU and don't get me started on the retcons made to appease China and their stupid Leftist agenda. Also, an Infinity Saga without the Silver Surfer and Adam Warlock!? Fuck you Disney and Marvel!
 
Yet for some reason, the excuse was used that the MCU was feeling itself out, adjusting and perfecting the formula in the nascent stage. So, why are these newer properties being held to such higher standards, and receiving more scathing, caustic criticism?
B--

Forget the "according to you, maybe"-- even if that's exactly the case, it's also necessarily the case that "the MCU's just starting and the producers/writers are feeling themselves out" can't hold up to this point. I know western nerds in ACG pseudo-communities have crippling and compounding environment-derived autism (if not congenital autism), but this article reads like it was AI-generated.

...actually, all of CBR reads like that.
 
Do what Akira Toriyama should have done and pull the plug!
Deal was Akira Toriyama had repeatedly tried to end DBZ. But his publisher always told him these same three magic words "I OWN YOU" when he tries and force him to keep doing more DBZ.

Which will make Spider Gwen ree and get drunk. After all, IT'S HER TURN!
Only reeing I want to hear from drunk Spider Gwen is when the train had stopped running through her.
 
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Post Endgame, I was figuring that Strange would take the place of Tony as the brains of the Avengers, while T'Challa would replace Cap as the "heart."

That may have actually been Marvel's plan, until Chadwick Boseman's death.
It was not.

The plan was pretty clearly to expand into the multiverse through some existing characters (Strange, Wanda) and use that as a loophole to do basically whatever they want at that point (America Chavez, Captain Carter, retconning "no mutants", backdooring Fantastic Four, spider-gwen/miles morales, black Captain Marveland whatever the fuck else they want) because whatever they want will invariably exist in some universe and it let's them blow straight to the "Young Avengers" (Wanda's kids, New Hawkeye, America Chavez, New Antwoman or Wasp 2, maybe even a cheeky kid Loki variant) and start pushing that angle and other replacements (Ironheart [or War Machine] for Iron Man, Falcon for Captain America, Valkyrie for Thor, She Hulk for Hulk, Miles for Spiderman, etc) as they wish.

The issue they're running into is that the people that are showing up as replacements are substantially less interesting and historically relevant then the people being replaced - which makes people care very little.
 
Imagine feeling real life racial pride over some weird alternate history version of Africa invented by a couple of Jewish comic book writers.

I still can't wrap my head around how fucking embarrassing that is.
That’s fucking weird. A black ethnostate tech utopia is an interesting idea for a narrative, but why the fuck would anyone feel pride in that.
 
That’s fucking weird. A black ethnostate tech utopia is an interesting idea for a narrative, but why the fuck would anyone feel pride in that.
Eh, Wakandans as a society always comes off as villainous in some way; they don't care about anyone other than themselves and just sit in their city doing very little. Especially in the MCU where at this point, they should be Earth's superpower, dictating how other countries act.
 
are they really complaining that asshole billionaire tony stark makes rude comments, and they objectified a character named fucking BLACK WIDOW

The films suck now because they're just cameo bait
oh look every single character you might like are having a big team up like one of your fanfictions! And they all say their funny catchphrase! wowee
 
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No, Ironman was kinda known. He wasn't giant name or anything but people did know that a hero named Ironman exited. He's the one in a red armor that makes him look like a robot. If for nothing else people made so many lame jokes about his name that he poped up once in while.
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Plus he actually has a good look inside and outside of his super horo costume so even if he wasn't a giant name he did stick in people's minds. Admittedly I was confused if he was DC or Marvel but even I a finnish girly girl had heard about him before MCU.
I vaguely knew him from the cartoon where he fought against a green dude with magic rings
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Not the most popular of the Marvel cartoons though, especially when you compare it to the X-Men or Spiderman cartoons from the same period.
 
Which will make Spider Gwen ree and get drunk. After all, IT'S HER TURN!
Spider-Gwen is the only marvel genderswap I actually like. I haven't thought about it much, but I think the torment all Spidermen are burdened with plays especially well off a woman, she had some depth in feeling like shit about her life/band/what happens to Peter Parker in her universe. She's constantly squirming and uncomfortable and guilt-ridden when not in a fight(and sometimes mid-fight) and I think it works for her.
 
I vaguely knew him from the cartoon where he fought against a green dude with magic rings
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Not the most popular of the Marvel cartoons though, especially when you compare it to the X-Men or Spiderman cartoons from the same period.
Green dude was the cartoon's depiction of the Mandarin.

Big reason the Iron Man cartoon wasn't as popular as X-Men and Spiderman is because it was shown in syndication on random channels with no nationwide schedule, while those other two shows aired every saturday morning on Fox.
 
Eh, Wakandans as a society always comes off as villainous in some way; they don't care about anyone other than themselves and just sit in their city doing very little. Especially in the MCU where at this point, they should be Earth's superpower, dictating how other countries act.
I never actually watched it, I’m just working from what I know through osmosis. Either way it’s at least a neat idea,
 
That’s fucking weird. A black ethnostate tech utopia is an interesting idea for a narrative, but why the fuck would anyone feel pride in that.
Because it isn't actually an interesting idea in practice.

Marvel (triply so in the movies, but also in the comics) make sure you know these are BLACK people - so the super advanced society still uses spears, has basket weavers, has people making basic tapestries, having huts, domesticating animals, and so on. They never moved on from "blackness" as a concept and so the world feels really, really fake and really really borderline offensive. Even the medical facilities boil down to "rub vibranium on it" - instead of being actually futuristic.

On top of this - Wakanda isn't a tech utopia because of anything they themselves did - they just happened to be on top of a "Vibranium" deposit (Marvel's magic mineral that makes everything work). So the implication is that if they lived literally anywhere else they would just be normal Africans.
 
Because it isn't actually an interesting idea in practice.

Marvel (triply so in the movies, but also in the comics) make sure you know these are BLACK people - so the super advanced society still uses spears, has basket weavers, has people making basic tapestries, having huts, domesticating animals, and so on. They never moved on from "blackness" as a concept and so the world feels really, really fake and really really borderline offensive. Even the medical facilities boil down to "rub vibranium on it" - instead of being actually futuristic.

On top of this - Wakanda isn't a tech utopia because of anything they themselves did - they just happened to be on top of a "Vibranium" deposit (Marvel's magic mineral that makes everything work). So the implication is that if they lived literally anywhere else they would just be normal Africans.
Especially in current year where this BLACK society has to be seen as virtuous while doing very little actual good acts. In Black Panther, they just had an attempted coup by Killmonger, are recovering from it in Infinity War--which is why they don't have rhino cavalry which would have been very useful against zerglings--and provide limited assistance afterwards.
 
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