UN MtF Transgender Player Joins Women-Only Team, Sets Records, And Is Now Being Protested - And it isn't the first time this has happened...

https://volleymob.com/superliga-rivals-protest-tifannys-participation-after-setting-records/

A MtF transgender player has joined a female-exclusive volleyball team and is breaking once-steadfast records held by natural female players almost immediately. This player has played at a professional level on male-only teams before transitioning.

Choice quotes from this and related articles:

At 32 years old and 6’5″ in height, her debut for Italian A2 club Golem Palmi against Delta Trentino last season saw her came off the bench to secure her team’s come back from behind win with 28 points.

Tifanny’s case grabs attention also due to the fact that she has competed in the male version of Brazilian Superliga, and also played professionally in men’s leagues in Portugal, Indonesia, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands and France.

[From a fellow teammate]

[...]On a sporting level, her physical parameters are not those of a woman. I had the luck of playing in the A1 league last year, and did not see many players that can jump and attack at the level she does.

Bruno has also leaked one of Tifanny’s testosterone level exams, showing that the player is within regulations decided by the IOC:

(I can't translate the language exactly, but for reference, the standard testosterone levels are around 280-1,100 ng/DL for males and 15-70 for females. This is a flawed metric anyways--testosterone often causes irreversible changes to physiology, so a lack of testosterone after the fact your development has been affected by it means nothing.)

This isn't the first time that such an event has happened, with a MtF transgender cyclist suddenly breaking long-unbeaten world records in cycling when swapping over to the women-only division, or this video demonstrating a MtF transgender MMA fighter immediately defeating their naturally female opponent.

Male-exclusive divisions and female-exclusive divisions obviously do not overlap due to the physical differences between the sexes. A cursory look at the held records for something such as weight lifting shows a large difference between male and female scores. Providing evidence to demonstrate this, female-exclusive adult soccer teams have been documented playing against under-15 boys teams for practice and losing.

There is increasingly mounting evidence to conclude that, despite what your position on transgenderism may be, allowing transgender players to play on female teams is creating an unfair competitive environment for naturally female competitors.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

If she's a woman and was always a woman and how dare you suggest she was once a man, then guess what? This means you have a woman who spent the first 20 or 25 years of life (or however long before she transitioned) doping herself with tons of testosterone and male hormones to get any unfair advantage. Disqualify her like you would any other doping cheater.

 

[Secret Asshole]

You can tell why. If you notice, her bone and muscle structure is that of a male's but a body and appearance of a female (generally). The problem is she started hormones later in life in which bone desnity, bone structure, muscle growth and development are all male. There's nothing female except soft tissue, which really doesn't matter in sports. So it isn't any wonder she's going to succed.

Of course, the ultimate equalizer between the sexes is a gun. A women with a 45 and sufficent range will take out the most skilled MMA fighter on Earth.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I wonder when we'll get the first "female" players in male sports leagues as a result of this? The hormones and shit would fuck up your body so you'd probably have trouble competing alongside top-tier players, but if even mediocre players like Michael "Fag on the Play" Sam can get drafted in the NFL and play preseason games (for media attention of course), then it won't be long before you have the first "female" players in the NFL.

No. Even without testosterone, the Y chromosome itself confers physical advantages like height. Intersex people whose bodies have a Y but don't respond whatsoever to testosterone because of CAIS will be born with female genitalia but are still significantly taller than normal XX women.

Biologically female volleyball players at the pro level regularly top 6 feet, this troon just happens to be a bit taller than many of them (although there probably are biological females her height). Same goes with the WNBA and other women's basketball.

 

[Koby_Fish]

So if I had access to a number of small baby girls, and I constantly injected them with testosterone, could I, in time, create a team of female soccer players who didn't have to be trannies to beat school boys?

East German Wrestling Team.

 

[Dysnomia]

If I recall correctly, the NHL isn't even technically a men's-only league. It's just that women are physically unable to deal with some 6'5 250lb motherfucker on ice skates slamming them into a wall (although there have been a couple female goalies, I think). FtMs, who are 99% softboi twinks, would never stand a goddamn chance.

I've noticed that. Truck sized butch lesbians are who you'd expect to transition FtM. But that is very rarely the case.

 

[AvocadoToast]

I've never seen the ''women and men are the same physically'' argument, actually. I feel like biological/physical differences are readily acknowledged, it's when people argue about alleged innate psychological differences that socialization is brought up. It's naturally a controversial topic but there is scientific backing to men and women being quite similar.

 

[Male Idiot]

Feminism+Trannies=fun times for Kiwi farms!

 

[ZeeMarin]

Real women need to unite and refuse to compete against MTFs.

 

[Butta Face Lopez]

I remember some ladies' national soccer team got blown out by a high school boys' team, and those kids were only in the beginning/middle of puberty

 

[Manah]

Good, let this be the first step towards juicing up every athlete until their veins are full of more anabolic steroids than blood.

The Olympics should be a competition of how far each nation can engineer their Ivan Drago-alikes.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I feel like there’s a similar story every six months or so...

 

[AnOminous]

I've never seen the ''women and men are the same physically'' argument, actually. I feel like biological/physical differences are readily acknowledged, it's when people argue about alleged innate psychological differences that socialization is brought up. It's naturally a controversial topic but there is scientific backing to men and women being quite similar.

Those differences become marked at the extreme ends of strength and experience. You'll never see a woman weightlifter be the #1 in the world competing with men, or at least it's extremely unlikely.

 

[Munchingonfish]

I remember some ladies' national soccer team got blown out by a high school boys' team, and those kids were only in the beginning/middle of puberty

Most national women's hockey/soccer teams train against high school boys. The women aren't guaranteed to win. I'm not talking about competing against Under 18 national teams either. I'm talking random high schools with a hockey team.

 

[CrunkLord420]

It's not just athletic sports, a trans woman recently became the first "woman" to win a StarCraft 2 tournament. Trans women also seem to dominate actual women in the tech and programming field.

 

[Incredible Crisis]

It's not just athletic sports, a trans woman recently became the first "woman" to win a StarCraft 2 tournament. Trans women also seem to dominate actual women in the tech and programming field.

This is why whenever I hear about a Woman in Tech I always check if they're a natal woman first. It doesn't count if you made most of your accomplishments when you presented as a cisgender male and then claimed backpay when you transitioned. I call it the Wu Test.

Regardless, if you transition and then make meaningful contributions to a technical field, then they should get credit on that basis, not because of your trans identity. If you transition and then refocus your entire career around being trans, then you're doing a lot more harm than good.

Of course, having male chromosomes that make a male body and brain, transition or not, matters less in tech than in sports.

 

[CrunkLord420]

Of course, having male chromosomes that make a male body and brain, transition or not, matters less in tech than in sports.

That's the most telling part, anyone can see a man is stronger than a woman, but why would actual women get edged out by trans in the world of keyboard jockeying?

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

I feel like there’s a similar story every six months hours or so...

Fixed it.

 

[Hatoful Dandy]

That's the most telling part, anyone can see a man is stronger than a woman, but why would actual women get edged out by trans in the world of keyboard jockeying?

Yeah, you'd think that whole "more women are gamers" thing would mean something if it wasn't for the fact mobile gaming is a different animal altogether.

 

[OwO What's This?]

You can tell why. If you notice, her bone and muscle structure is that of a male's but a body and appearance of a female (generally). The problem is she started hormones later in life in which bone desnity, bone structure, muscle growth and development are all male. There's nothing female except soft tissue, which really doesn't matter in sports. So it isn't any wonder she's going to succed.

Of course, the ultimate equalizer between the sexes is a gun. A women with a 45 and sufficent range will take out the most skilled MMA fighter on Earth.

the NRA neckbeards are the true feminists

 

[Marvin]

It's not just athletic sports, a trans woman recently became the first "woman" to win a StarCraft 2 tournament. Trans women also seem to dominate actual women in the tech and programming field.

This is why whenever I hear about a Woman in Tech I always check if they're a natal woman first. It doesn't count if you made most of your accomplishments when you presented as a cisgender male and then claimed backpay when you transitioned. I call it the Wu Test.

Regardless, if you transition and then make meaningful contributions to a technical field, then they should get credit on that basis, not because of your trans identity. If you transition and then refocus your entire career around being trans, then you're doing a lot more harm than good.

Of course, having male chromosomes that make a male body and brain, transition or not, matters less in tech than in sports.

It matters a lot in tech.

The reason being, men have different interests than women, and this trend seems to be influenced by biology, at least in part.

I'm pretty open to the idea that society discourages women from certain fields. While it's not the only factor, I'm willing to believe that cultural mores make people get bitchy at you if you decide to cross meaningless gender lines. I can believe that's an influence.

But it's hard for me to take that theory seriously with programming because the entry barrier to programming is virtually nonexistent (in a first world country). And all the good programmers I know did everything they could to maximize their time programming or doing other computer shit. If a girl wanted to, she could do it easily. And there would be very little room for societal disapproval to sneak in. Or if it does sneak in, it can't be any harder than just being some poor male asshole, and having to flip burgers to buy computer parts. We all had hindrances, but we did what we could to fund our hobby.

So the whole "math is a boys thing" idea doesn't hold water with me. If the girls really wanted it like we wanted it, they'd get it.

Furthermore, when women do get into tech, they have vastly different interests than guys do. Guys want to work on really hard technical projects. Really impressive shit, like achieving new compression ratios, or saving the company 10% on servers by optimizing the fuck out of some algorithm somewhere. Or working on the Linux kernel. It's like the equivalent of body building for nerds.

Women in tech get into social things. They try to solve some societal problem or they start new social networks or other projects like that. Which is fine. Different strokes.

Like, what percentage of engineers at Facebook are female who work on the content reporting system? And what percentage are female who worked on the Reason compiler? (which, btw, is an annoying language, BUT! it's a compiler, which takes some serious technical chops to work on)

I think you'd find virtually zero women who worked on Reason, and a solid chunk of women worked on the content reporting system.

But I don't think this is necessarily because of a difference in capabilities, just a difference in interest. Working on a compiler would be boring to most women.

Edit: Or actually, now that I think about it, maybe the hormones do contribute. I can't really think of many (or any, really), MTF trannies who've gone on to continue to do the same kind of heavy lifting, high tech work they used to do as a man.