Multiple nations enact mysterious export controls on quantum computers - Identical wording placing limits on the export of quantum computers has appeared in regulations across the globe. There doesn't seem to be any scientific reason for the controls, and all can be traced to secret international discussions


Secret international discussions have resulted in governments across the world imposing identical export controls on quantum computers, while refusing to disclose the scientific rationale behind the regulations. Although quantum computers theoretically have the potential to threaten national security by breaking encryption techniques, even the most advanced quantum computers currently in public existence are too small and too error-prone to achieve this, rendering the bans seemingly pointless.

The UK is one of the countries that has prohibited the export of quantum computers with 34 or more quantum bits, or qubits, and error rates below a certain threshold. The intention seems to be to restrict machines of a certain capability, but the UK government hasn’t explicitly said this. A New Scientist freedom of information request for a rationale behind these numbers was turned down on the grounds of national security.

France has also introduced export controls with the same specifications on qubit numbers and error rates, as has Spain and the Netherlands. Identical limits across European states might point to a European Union regulation, but that isn’t the case. A European Commission spokesperson told New Scientist that EU members are free to adopt national measures, rather than bloc-wide ones, for export restrictions. “Recent controls on quantum computers by Spain and France are examples of such national measures,” they said. They declined to explain why the figures in various EU export bans matched exactly, if these decisions had been reached independently.

A spokesperson for the French Embassy in London told New Scientist that the limit was set at a level “likely to represent a cyber risk”. They said that the controls were the same in France, the UK, the Netherlands and Spain because of “multilateral negotiations conducted over several years under the Wassenaar Arrangement”.

“The limits chosen are based on scientific analyses of the performance of quantum computers,” the spokesperson told New Scientist. But when asked for clarification on who performed the analysis or whether it would be publicly released, the spokesperson declined to comment further.

The Wassenaar Arrangement is a system adhered to by 42 participating states, including EU members, the UK, the US, Canada, Russia, Australia, New Zealand and Switzerland, that sets controls on the export of goods that could have military applications, known as dual-use technologies. Canada has also implemented identical wording on 34 qubits into a quantum computer export ban.

New Scientist wrote to dozens of Wassenaar states asking about the existence of research on the level of quantum computer that would be dangerous to export, whether that research has been published and who carried it out. Only a few responded.

“We are closely observing the introduction of national controls by other states for certain technologies,” says a spokesperson for the Swiss Federal Department of Economic Affairs, Education and Research. “However, existing mechanisms can already be used to prevent in specific cases exports of such technologies.”

“We are obviously closely following Wassenaar discussions on the exact technical control parameters relating to quantum,” says Milan Godin, a Belgium adviser to the EU’s Working Party on Dual-Use Goods. Belgium doesn’t appear to have implemented its own export restrictions yet, but Godin says that quantum computers are a dual-use technology due to their potential to crack commercial or government encryption, as well as the possibility that their speed will eventually allow militaries to make faster and better plans – including in relation to nuclear missile strikes.

A spokesperson for the German Federal Office for Economic Affairs and Export Control confirmed that quantum computer export controls would be the result of negotiations under the Wassenaar Arrangement, although Germany also doesn’t appear to have implemented any restrictions. “These negotiations are confidential, unfortunately we cannot share any details or information about the considerations of this control,” says the spokesperson.

Christopher Monroe, who co-founded quantum computer company IonQ, says people in the industry have noticed the identical bans and have been discussing their criteria, but he has no information on where they have come from.

“I have no idea who determined the logic behind these numbers,” he says, but it may have something to do with the threshold for simulating a quantum computer on an ordinary computer. This becomes exponentially harder as the number of qubits rises, so Monroe believes that the rationale behind the ban could be to restrict quantum computers that are now too advanced to be simulated, even though such devices have no practical applications.

“The fallacy there is that just because you cannot simulate what the quantum computer is doing doesn’t make it useful. And by severely limiting research to progress in this grey area, it will surely stifle innovation,” he says.
 
What if there was a point where humanity, unawares, stumbled upon a turning point in the development of that technology that allowed some terrible genie out of a bottle? A genie so terrible that it itself developed a way to warn humanity: don't open the bottle?
I legit think that either we live in a relatively mundane universe in that it's not possible for gribbly spooky shit to pop into it Quasimorph-style, or we're in for some serious shit soon. A lot of topics surrounding shit that involves one of the greatest mysteries of life, consciousness, is seemingly coming to a head.

I hate that it's happening at the same time as all this political shit. It's been kinda under the radar for a while.
 
I legit think that either we live in a relatively mundane universe in that it's not possible for gribbly spooky shit to pop into it Quasimorph-style, or we're in for some serious shit soon. A lot of topics surrounding shit that involves one of the greatest mysteries of life, consciousness, is seemingly coming to a head.

I hate that it's happening at the same time as all this political shit. It's been kinda under the radar for a while.

There was a study recently that concluded that a brain protein gives rise to quantum effects amd it maybe part of the consciousness after all.

It found that noble gases work for anasthesia because they disrupt this protein tube. This may just be a skizo coincidence.

Could just be Macron, Putin, Biden in a room staring at the computer.
-Le computie horrible can crack my blacked.com password! Sacrableue!
-This can crack KGB password? Da is bad!
-I don't know, but this thing is scary! What were we talking about? Is this Trump's new hair salon machine? I don't like it!
 
Or maybe they simply went there to discuss a future treaty on the administration of antarctic resources? Building a QC in Antarctica is dumb, the power savings of not having to cool it down as much are far outstripped by the lack of infrastructure and the logistics cost of hauling everything needed there.
More dumb than all of the world leaders risking safety, security and the possibly of cries of assassination if their plane eats the ice on landing, just to look at glaciers, which they can do from their HQ, or discuss treaties, which they can do at the 10-star resorts when they visit the UN?
 
More dumb than all of the world leaders risking safety, security and the possibly of cries of assassination if their plane eats the ice on landing, just to look at glaciers, which they can do from their HQ, or discuss treaties, which they can do at the 10-star resorts when they visit the UN?
And why is a QC any different? None of them know how to use it and taking such risks just to take a glance at the freezer that cools everything inside is even dumber.
 
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And why is a QC any different? None of them know how to use it and taking such risks just to take a glance at the freezer that cools everything inside is even dumber.
That's a fair point. I'll counter with it been new technology, maybe they wanted to witness the next leap in human computing.
 
Given quantum computing is incredibly impractical (if at all possible) for the foreseeable future... what is the point of these laws? Q bits need to be at nearly absolute zero temperatures for computing (which IIRC usually involves lasers and shit) and last I checked we can barely read them and nobody has found a way to actually read the in-between states of the bits and guarantee their accuracy. These things are going to be the size of research labs, use a fuck ton of power, require experts to run... If they work at all it's going to be like the 50's... and the only thing they are really, really good for as opposed to a conventional computer is decryption. These things aren't going to open new sectors of the economy they are going to destroy the sectors that already exist by making encryption a joke. To the civilian economy these things are the equivalent of Harrier jets, just a toy for the military industrial complex. Some fucker at the NSA is rubbing his nipples in circles suggestively just thinking about it.

It's almost like they priming the investor pumps with regulation and this journo is doing their part. Like they want investors to say "Oh look export bans on Quantum computers! I had better pour a ton of money in Google and IBM stocks before it drops!"

Though honestly if we ever do get one working it won't matter that it is the size of a house the government will pay a gorillion biden-bucks for it and then off half the research team in their sleep.
 
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Does anybody have a source for this world leaders going to Antarctica at the same time event? I don't remember hearing about that. I do remember the fitness tracker leak showing bases in Antarctica. That got scrubbed and memoryholed almost immediately.
 
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Does anybody have a source for this world leaders going to Antarctica at the same time event? I don't remember hearing about that.
I recall chatter about it around here, John Kerry's presence in particular I think came up a few times. Maybe the previous politics megathread? tbh there's probably not _that_ many mentions of Antarctica in A&N to wade through if you use the search.

I do remember the fitness tracker leak showing bases in Antarctica. That got scrubbed and memoryholed almost immediately.
I think there was some stuff going on in the Arctic, too?
 
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Given quantum computing is incredibly impractical (if at all possible) for the foreseeable future... what is the point of these laws?
Here:
In 1998 Isaac Chuang of the Los Alamos National Laboratory, Neil Gershenfeld of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), and Mark Kubinec of the University of California at Berkeley created the first quantum computer (2-qubit) that could be loaded with data and output a solution
So possible it has been nearly 30 years since the first one was built. I'm assuming the laws are prepping
Does anybody have a source for this world leaders going to Antarctica at the same time event?
I tried digging around on Google but i got nonsense results and the same Quora post about Nazis.
Jacinda Ahearn (ex kiwi leader) and the pope both visited in 2022. Maybe it is aliens.
 
What will happen? All glowing agencies will have it, and they'll use it extrajudicially while keeping it as secret as they can so they aren't challenged in court on its use/abuse.
Everyone remembers the first important set of four words ("I want my lawyer") but there's a set that's often forgotten and tends to get charges dropped when used appropriately in the courtroom: "how was this obtained?"
 
If average people had it, they could use it to create QC-resistent encryption.

If average people had it, it would annihilate the entire economy overnight, everyone would be hacked. You can brute force any form of encryption with conventional computing but it's not timely or economical and can take years and millions of hours of compute time... but a QC in theory would be like the ultimate brute force machine for breaking encryption, it would just trivialize it. If I understand it correctly, it's basically a master key, every conceivable value combination is instantly known, there is no 'QC-resistant encryption' no matter how long you make the hash, or what scrambling method you employ, it simply doesn't care.
 
When someone starts talking about quantum computing my brain just doesn't comprehend it at all. It is probably like if you went back to 1650 and tried to explain to Oliver Cromwell that humans in current year possess handheld boxes that allow us to torture sand with electricity localised lightning bolts so that it will do maths for us.
 
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