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These guys are so terrified of AI that they're now accusing random posters of being bots

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Most of the website is arguing against the concept of jury trials



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Buttigieg2020 said:
Time for another Asian summit to address this Sinophobia!


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The thread is kinda interesting. The premise is poorly worded, but China's sudden sort of meteoric rise in terms of big and successful games is noteworthy and certainly something worth diving into. Of course, most answers over at retardera devolve into either all games are sexist, cheap knock off and thus successful / China being evil and bad / it's all a pysop. But same with AI, that entire website and what's left of it is unable to have a nuanced discussion on anything.
 
Was lurking the site and noticed the logged-in user's made a funny number.
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@I Know 孤独のせい
China's current strategy is just to look at what's popular and to throw 100's of millions to make a clone of it. Currently they are not innovating or pushing the medium forward. What they are making are high-budget competent imitations of popular games that already exist like Elden Ring. There's nothing unique about Chinese games that will inspire people to use them as a template for their own game. Unless smaller Chinese devs emerge that have an actual interest in games as a art, chinese games will always just be decent-good games to play if you liked a popular game that came out three or so years ago.
 
Jason_Cruiser said:
China's current strategy is just to look at what's popular and to throw 100's of millions to make a clone of it. Currently they are not innovating or pushing the medium forward. What they are making are high-budget competent imitations of popular games that already exist like Elden Ring. There's nothing unique about Chinese games that will inspire people to use them as a template for their own game. Unless smaller Chinese devs emerge that have an actual interest in games as a art, chinese games will always just be decent-good games to play if you liked a popular game that came out three or so years ago.
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China is certainly known for its blatant and brazen imitation of different commodities years and decades ago. I don't think that stigma will disappear anytime soon, but when it comes to video games, I think that mostly applies on the surface level. Which isn't China's achievement, but more how the entire industry is conducting itself. Even if smaller indie stuff like Dyson Sphere Program and Gunfire Reborn and especially bigger productions like Genshin Impact and Wukong show that China didn't reinvent the wheel but to be fair that also isn't the case with the US, EU and Japan.

I wouldn't say that there are no unique ideas left anymore, but in most cases it's comes down to the recycling of already established ideas, stories, gameplay systems, mechanics and so on. Beloved garbage like Breath of the Wild, heralded as the invention of fire, is nothing more than Ubisoft open world + Gary's mod. You can certainly argue that Nintendo managed to combine already established things through craftsmanship into something that had no obvious competition, or a fragmented one, and thus BotW managed to be perceived as unique. As for Elden Ring, which is a good game, it's From Software's continued expansion and tweaking of an already established formula.

Now, China's game output if you want to be mean is still derivative, but doesn't that apply to all games in general ? And didn't Chinese games managed to grab the current zeitgeist with Genshin or Wukong just like other western games managed in the past ? And didn't Chinese games manage to avoid some pitfalls that have been plaguing the western industry for the past decade + like lack of decent QA, heavy censorship, blatant and obnoxious political pandering etc. ?

China isn't the savior of video games, in part due to its political landscape, and won't be for a long time. Your point still stands, and to some degree I certainly agree with it. The Chinese games industry is lacking the plethora of IP's that project legitimacy and as you mentioned is in desperate need of its own milestone event like the "invention" and popularization of something in the vein of roguelikes, BR, CoD, Form Soft etc.

But especially looking at the western AAA industry, I would argue that China is on equal footing, which at the moment doesn't really matter since the project of power comes once again for the billionth time from Japan. But I would wager that China will challenge or even surpass the Japanese dominance before the western industry will be able to recover and once again be the leader in the video games' industry.
 
Jason_Cruiser said:
China's current strategy is just to look at what's popular and to throw 100's of millions to make a clone of it.
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China looks at what is popular and what sells and they decide to also make content that is popular.
And this is bad because?

I take Chineese copies of popular games every day of the week over the western "you will suck the girldick and you will like, bigot" and be called a nazi if I don't buy tranny simulator 2000.

We need more companies that make games that aim to be popular, not less.
The biggest issue in the game industry today is that western studios no longer put a priority on making popular games.
 
Cuckoman said:
China looks at what is popular and what sells and they decide to also make content that is popular.
And this is bad because?
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There's nothing that bad about it, it just means China will never be an industry leader, because there entire strategy relies on other people from other countries on coming up with the Ideas first. If they want to lead they need to innovate on existing genre's or create new ones so they have their own identity that they cane be considered the originator from. So when foreigners make a game inspired by said style, people will recognize it as a "Chinese-Genre" inspired game.

I Know 孤独のせい said:
I wouldn't say that there are no unique ideas left anymore, but in most cases it's comes down to the recycling of already established ideas, stories, gameplay systems, mechanics and so on. Beloved garbage like Breath of the Wild, heralded as the invention of fire, is nothing more than Ubisoft open world + Gary's mod. You can certainly argue that Nintendo managed to combine already established things through craftsmanship into something that had no obvious competition, or a fragmented one, and thus BotW managed to be perceived as unique. As for Elden Ring, which is a good game, it's From Software's continued expansion and tweaking of an already established formula.
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I never said anything about there being no new ideas, i'm saying the peak imagination of Chinese studios at the moment is to just look at recent popular games to copy them. Games like Dark-souls recycle old ideas from the past (No map, losing items on death) that were seen as outdated at the time, but they built upon them and adapted them to something that worked better for modern games, therefore making them new and original again. Chinese games just take from more recent stuff and they do nothing to adapt those ideas into something new. They just mash together two or three recent popular games and call it day.
 
KuwabaraTheMan said:
Echoes is fucking insane. His obsession with lesbians is obviously a byproduct of his lack of any kind of sexual attention throughout his life. He isn't "out" as a woman so this whole thing is an online LARP.
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I do think part of it is also that Restera is one few forums where he can indulge in his creepy fetish of lesbians without being told to shut the fuck up.
 
Salted Caramel Tears said:
I do think part of it is also that Restera is one few forums where he can indulge in his creepy fetish of lesbians without being told to shut the fuck up.
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He's very reminiscent of former GAF weirdo Holy Baikal, who was such a fucking weirdo that he got banned back around 2011 or so but would have been untouchable in 2014.
 
AI makes resetera hilariously angry, vol. 666.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ps...ons-infocast-videos-voices-and-music.1367053/

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The seething hatred continues forever in the thread. Just picked a couple of responses. What I find quite interesting is the notion that AI makes games less fun, innovative, unique etc. If that is the case, what the fuck is AAA then ? For example the Horizon games are the pinnacle of boring, by the numbers, the lowest common denominator regurgitate garbage but no AI so clearly a beacon of craftsmanship and human connection or whatever that one idiot was babbling about.
 
V-tuber and Resetera Fan said:
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Fucking faggots with their anti Americanism.

We saved Europe from its "world" wars and we rebuilt it. We're the reason Russia hasn't gotten revenge for Napoleon's incursions. Europe grew and prospered on lands rewet with American blood and fertilized with American corpses.

We didn't even ask that these faggots to worship us as their true Gods, as is our right.

I just woke up, sparked the joint, barely got to take a hit and ree already got me MATI 😂
 
I Know 孤独のせい said:
AI makes resetera hilariously angry, vol. 666.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ps...ons-infocast-videos-voices-and-music.1367053/

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The seething hatred continues forever in the thread. Just picked a couple of responses. What I find quite interesting is the notion that AI makes games less fun, innovative, unique etc. If that is the case, what the fuck is AAA then ? For example the Horizon games are the pinnacle of boring, by the numbers, the lowest common denominator regurgitate garbage but no AI so clearly a beacon of craftsmanship and human connection or whatever that one idiot was babbling about.
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Why do these faggots care anway? It's not like any of them have time to play games, what with being terminally online, crying 24/7.
 
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