NeoGAF & ResetERA - The Hilarious N̶e̶v̶e̶r̶e̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ Splintering "Gaming" Forum Circus

[AirdropShitposts]

No, that's correct. This is supposed to have a console release though and used one of 3D Realms IP's; which obviously doesn't have to be the case for any future game even if there was no controversy.

 

[AnitaSarsleezian]

I noticed something very interesting just now.

Esentially every game that refused to kowtow to the outrage mob of ResetERA has gone on to be successful. A Hat In Time (Jontron), Bloodstained (Miriam being "too sexy), MGSV (Quiet), Deliverance (WHY ARE THERE NO BLACK PEOPLE IN MEDIEVAL HUNGARY), Star Control (GAMERGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE) and many, many more. Even back in the day, games that ignored these insipid fucks succeeded: Hatred comes readily to mind.

Conversely almost every game that has bowed to them specifically has suffered for it economically.

Because people will follow those who have balls. Developers for some reason seem very resistant to learning this.

 

[Ledian]

Because people will follow those who have balls. Developers for some reason seem very resistant to learning this.

Don't forget about the publishers and their investors, they have a big hand in this sort of thing too considering they're the financiers and have vested control in how things happen in game development, before and after release.

 

[Borax Bozo]

There's an additional layer here that the Brutal Doom guy isn't quite talking about in full.
One of the spriters that's been hired to work on Ion Fury is mentioned in passing as "formley known as Mike12" in that post.
That guy is now much more famous as "HDoomGuy", who does the "HDoom" mod that turns the enemies into monstergirls and your weapons into hypnotic sex lasers.
Here's Brote playing an old version

and Jolly Wancore

What's interesting is what happens when you try and combine the Brutal Doom mod with HDoom.

(There's been other versions where it just dumps two dozen hyperspeed Revenants on you as well.)

I've actually spoken to Doom about this a long while back, and the gist of it as I remember is he got screwed by the Brutal Doom guy and got his work stolen. That bridge is thoroughly burned, which makes me think some of this supposed support from the Brutal Doom modder may not be fully sincere.

 

[UnclePhil]

So, some mixed feelings this morning. I've been checking in on Ion Fury crashing and burning over the last 24 hours. At first it was fun watching a game fail so miserably after developers catered to the ResetEra moral busybodies. Now it's speculated that Voidpoint may not be the enemy—that in fact it was the has-been label behind them.

But the sad truth is examples must be made. Given what ResetEra is on record finding offensive (cleavage, historical accuracy, the word 'watermelon'), there's a damned good reason you don't listen to them. It sets a dangerous precedent, allowing them to push for patching out every minor inconvenience. They are the among the worst sites on the Internet, and, lurking in their thread on this topic, have either no self-awareness ("why is everyone so obsessed with us?") or love to wallow in their own moral superiority. Oh, and they don't accept apologies. Ever. Their forum is full of edgelords who loathe Christianity, but at least Christianity has a doctrine of forgiveness. Whereas if you apologize for a blue joke you made 20 years ago, REE still cancels you because you will forever harbor the bigot within; otherwise you wouldn't have made the joke in the first place. Good job, 3D Realms. TLDR; fuck these people.

It's beautiful because if that Steam page is evidence enough, everyone outside ResetEra hates REE, absolutely despises them, and REE further alienates itself with every successful lobbying campaign. It hurts because someone who likely didn't deserve it suffers from a shitty PR move, and we also have no idea what other bullshit changes will be mandated in what looked like a fun game.

 

[PrincessHomura]

So, some mixed feelings this morning. I've been checking in on Ion Fury crashing and burning over the last 24 hours. At first it was fun watching a game fail so miserably after developers catered to the ResetEra moral busybodies. Now it's speculated that Voidpoint may not be the enemy—that in fact it was the has-been label behind them.

But the sad truth is examples must be made. Given what ResetEra is on record finding offensive (cleavage, historical accuracy, the word 'watermelon'), there's a damned good reason you don't listen to them. It sets a dangerous precedent, allowing them to push for patching out every minor inconvenience. They are the among the worst sites on the Internet, and, lurking in their thread on this topic, have either no self-awareness ("why is everyone so obsessed with us?") or love to wallow in their own moral superiority. Oh, and they don't accept apologies. Ever. Their forum is full of edgelords who loathe Christianity, but at least Christianity has a doctrine of forgiveness. Whereas if you apologize for a blue joke you made 20 years ago, REE still cancels you because you will forever harbor the bigot within; otherwise you wouldn't have made the joke in the first place. Good job, 3D Realms. TLDR; fuck these people.

It's beautiful because if that Steam page is evidence enough, everyone outside ResetEra hates REE, absolutely despises them, and REE further alienates itself with every successful lobbying campaign. It hurts because someone who likely didn't deserve it suffers from a shitty PR move, and we also have no idea what other bullshit changes will be mandated in what looked like a fun game.

The best outcome from this would be Voidpoint ditching 3D Realms, making a game on their own terms next and having it be a roaring success while 3D Realms goes under in flames for being disgustingly anti-consumer.

 

[Night Owl]

Yeah REEEEra is super influential and you should always do whatever they say you dumb motherfuckers.

This is just sad. I don't like review brigading, but this didn't have to happen. The game was doing very well before all this went down. I hope this serves as a reminder of what happens when they take people like ResetEra puritans seriously.

 

[Bungus Scrungus]

God, how the hell could anyone look at a case like David Reimer's and say it isn't child abuse? They didn't let him decide for himself, they forced it on him, and what a shock; they took a 50/50 with their child's life, and he killed himself because this wasn't what he wanted. Anyone who actually sees what the "transphobic" discord message is from Void Point and still thinks that is transphobic is either insane, or a child abuser. That way of thinking is objective child abuse no matter how much your pseudo-intellectual puritan asses try to justify it. Maybe acting like child abuse is a good thing is why some people don't respect transgenders, even if applying it to all of them isn't fair. Cause the sad thing is; the people who are trans and agree with this sorta bullshit are easily the most fucking loud and vocal. The hatred and disdain some people have for transgenders nowadays is absolutely to blame on the insane screamers. Cause anyone who looks at the shit they defend? No, even if they're silent about it; they know that shit is crazy and insane. They just won't say it aloud, lest they poke the beehive of screeching insane people.

 

[Ruin]

I noticed something very interesting just now.

Esentially every game that refused to kowtow to the outrage mob of ResetERA has gone on to be successful. A Hat In Time (Jontron), Bloodstained (Miriam being "too sexy), MGSV (Quiet), Deliverance (WHY ARE THERE NO BLACK PEOPLE IN MEDIEVAL HUNGARY), Star Control (GAMERGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE) and many, many more. Even back in the day, games that ignored these insipid fucks succeeded: Hatred comes readily to mind.

Conversely almost every game that has bowed to them specifically has suffered for it economically.

I can't wait for Death Stranding to come out. Kojima is a huge horndog and now that other AAA games like Witcher 3 and Kingdom Come have gotten away with it I expect DS to have bare breasts at a minimum. Given how much they already hate Kojima that just might push reeeee members over the edge and cause anger induced strokes.

 

[Judge Dredd]

Only option they have is to throw 3DRealms under the bus. Which might burn some bridges.

It might be worth it in the long run.

I know it's been said about everything from comics to payment processors, but it's looking more and more that the only way out is to split gaming in two. The "free speech" side has to burn all bridges to the "woke" side and never let them back no matter how much they scream and complain.

This is how I am confident that Voidpoint is the good guy here. The only developers I've ever seen say "just pirate it! we want you to play it!" have been developers that truly believe in what they're doing, that aren't in it for money but for the love of the game. They didn't want politics in any of this. This is 3DRealms kicking Voidpoint's knees in from behind, and unfortunately, if 3DRealms is to hurt for what it's doing, Voidpoint has to hurt too. The only way to the middleman is through his lackeys.

There's probably a "we can do anything we feel is necessary to mitigate civil lawsuits" clause. While I don't see them being sued over anything, I could see that as some kind of justification for forcing diversity training on someone.

I know this is incredibly but I think it would be great to see a lawsuit over this.

Both suing each other for tanking a successful game. 3DR claiming that Voidpoint are bigots, while Voidpoint claim they had a successful product until 3DR sabotaged the game to appease pedos and harassers that don't play games. Maybe bring ResetEra into it and then @BesadaDontStarve can get the landmine he always wanted.

We don't have the actual contract, but there's got to be some clause in there that says "The publisher can't fuck us over to win internet points".

Edit: I almost forgot. From the OP of the THQ streams thread.

Let's see how long that lasted.

9 posts.

 

[juwo]

Do you know the tragic tale of David Reimer?

It's a bit off-topic, but the day I learned about John Money was the day I started writing off all "muh gender" activists and weirdos as crazy and dangerous.
This whole thing is like an excerpt from a /pol/ copypasta or something, yet it really happened and caused an innocent person to have a horrific life of a test subject that led him to suicide. Here are my "favorite" bits about this thing (I'm surprised Wikipedia hasn't edited this article to play down the event despite it having pretty interesting pieces of info):

Money asserted that affectional pedophilia was about love and not sex.
"If I were to see the case of a boy aged ten or eleven who's intensely erotically attracted toward a man in his twenties or thirties, if the relationship is totally mutual, and the bonding is genuinely totally mutual ... then I would not call it pathological in any way."
Money held the view that affectional pedophilia is caused by a surplus of parental love that became erotic, and is not a behavioral disorder. Rather, he took the position that heterosexuality is another example of a societal and therefore superficial, ideological concept.

Reimer said that Money forced the twins to rehearse sexual acts involving "thrusting movements", with David playing the bottom role. Reimer said that, as a child, he had to get "down on all fours" with his brother, Brian Reimer, "up behind his butt" with "his crotch against" his "buttocks". Reimer said that Money forced David, in another sexual position, to have his "legs spread" with Brian on top. Reimer said that Money also forced the children to take their "clothes off" and engage in "genital inspections". On "at least one occasion", Reimer said that Money took a photograph of the two children doing these activities. Money's rationale for these various treatments was his belief that "childhood 'sexual rehearsal play'" was important for a "healthy adult gender identity".

Money argued that media response to the exposé was due to right-wing media bias and "the antifeminist movement". He said his detractors believed "masculinity and femininity are built into the genes so women should get back to the mattress and the kitchen".

The latter paragraph is really familiar, eh? I suppose that's not surprising, as the people that subscribe to Money's view of the sexes also find his arguments to be amazingly stellar and worth repeating.

Back on topic though, I agree with Night Owl, this didn't have to happen. Nothing was controversial about those statements, yet apparently everything was. The longer this enabling madness continues, the more kids will suffer at the hands of these john-moneys because nobody will ever tell them they're wrong.

But hey, they're just removing "OGAY" soap dispensers, right?

 

[KingofNothing]

Our good friend Imran Khan is out of job.

Imran Khan on Twitter

“My position at Game Informer was eliminated today. Thank you to all the readers, the fans who have sent me nice messages over the years, my colleagues, and everyone in the industry who made me feel welcome. You all made this the best experience of my life.”

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As a reminder, he's a VIP member of Resetera, a gameinformer "journalist" and a proud SJW. Worst of all, he's mostly responsible for painting THQ Nordic as pedophiles apologists because they hosted an AMA on 8chan.

THQ Nordic Holds AMA On Image Board With Reputation For Child Pornography

The company has apologized and insisted they did not investigate it beforehand.

www.gameinformer.com

The Industry Refuses To Hold Itself Accountable And THQ Nordic Proves It

THQ Nordic showed this week that we all move on and forget faster and faster.

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"I intend to keep following up". Out of job four months later.

Of course, he turned a blind eye when Pedoera exploded.

Another journalist is also very happy to see someone of this quality get the boot. Seems like a popular guy.

Richard Lewis on Twitter

“Super sad to learn that Imran Khan got laid off. Not only did he lie about me after I committed the crime of asking him to source a claim he made, he also gloated over Tim Soret's game running into development problems. Enjoy the breadline you bellend. https://t.co/nCQWCsHCrQ”

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Imran Khan on Twitter: "One of these people is an infamous physical a…

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[Frosted Snowflakes]

Someone made a petition to claim ResetERA as terrorists.

 

[CIA Nigger]

Don't forget about the publishers and their investors, they have a big hand in this sort of thing too considering they're the financiers and have vested control in how things happen in game development, before and after release.

There are quite a few stories of games being canned, rushed, or bad ideas being made into games because that's what the publisher demanded. As seen with Silicon Knights publishers also can act as tard wranglers for some developers.

Hence it's why stuff like the infamous XBLA exodus happened. Indie developers didn't want to go through the hassle of having to get a publisher to release an indie game among other things, so they just dropped the platform for a few years until Microsoft's new Xbox management came up with ID@Xbox and the $20 Xbox Creators Program.

Another journalist is also very happy to see someone of this quality get the boot. Seems like a popular guy.

Richard Lewis on Twitter

“Super sad to learn that Imran Khan got laid off. Not only did he lie about me after I committed the crime of asking him to source a claim he made, he also gloated over Tim Soret's game running into development problems. Enjoy the breadline you bellend. https://t.co/nCQWCsHCrQ”

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Tim Soret posted about this too:

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Imran's deleted tweet:

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Unsurprisingly half the tweets on his "I got laid off" tweet are "good" or screencaps of him saying "good", and the rest are pals saying "sorry for your loss", including HG101:

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It's beautiful because if that Steam page is evidence enough, everyone outside ResetEra hates REE, absolutely despises them, and REE further alienates itself with every successful lobbying campaign. It hurts because someone who likely didn't deserve it suffers from a shitty PR move, and we also have no idea what other bullshit changes will be mandated in what looked like a fun game.

The only people who agree with that site's views at this point are the same brand of self hating gamers and troons who spend all their time on social media complaining about "gross toxic gamers" before playing some more Smash or Pokemon on their Nintendo Switch.

 

[Charlie Delicious]

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I've mentioned this before. I was on a forum Sean posted on years ago.

He saves his disability cheques to buy TV's and consoles for his actual incel lifestyle.

I have no doubt he has yet to touch a vagina

 

[Rhysuu]

The results are in and boy is it not looking pretty on day two. Yesterday ended with Ion Fury's new reviews being 103 positive and 184 negative, but this isn't dying out overnight. Today so far has seen 162 new reviews split with 71 positive and 91 negative. Some of the negative reviews are absolutely scathing too, which is drawing more people who might've been unaware of the controversy over to their side. The overall reviews are now "Mostly Positive" which I believe is down from the prior few days. It's going to keep diving too. Fortunately Steam hasn't decided to mark this as a brigade, which if they did would invalidate all reviews from that specific time range.

I've been fascinated by this backlash, them caving to ResetEra was one of the most tonedeaf moves I've seen in a long time. Just completely disregarding everybody who has bought or will buy your game to appease those who never had any intentions of it.

 

[CrunkLord420]

ResetEra user anyprophet explaining why Tim Soret should die or something.

https://twitter.com/anyprophet/status/1164157915608973312 (https://archive.vn/H82ou)

https://twitter.com/anyprophet/status/1163994102901268480 (https://archive.vn/N6hoi)

 

[BrunoMattei]

There's an additional layer here that the Brutal Doom guy isn't quite talking about in full.
One of the spriters that's been hired to work on Ion Fury is mentioned in passing as "formley known as Mike12" in that post.
That guy is now much more famous as "HDoomGuy", who does the "HDoom" mod that turns the enemies into monstergirls and your weapons into hypnotic sex lasers.
Here's Brote playing an old version

and Jolly Wancore

What's interesting is what happens when you try and combine the Brutal Doom mod with HDoom.

(There's been other versions where it just dumps two dozen hyperspeed Revenants on you as well.)

I've actually spoken to Doom about this a long while back, and the gist of it as I remember is he got screwed by the Brutal Doom guy and got his work stolen. That bridge is thoroughly burned, which makes me think some of this supposed support from the Brutal Doom modder may not be fully sincere.

Not surprised. SgtMarkIV is an autistic scumbag. I don't think there's enough material on him to make a thread though.

 

[MI 814]

Came across this interesting post on the IF steam discussions.
It's a good point. They don't actually play video games, but use it as a way to make other people miserable. And if they are that broke they can't afford a fairly cheap game that says a lot.

 

[AnOminous]

The best outcome from this would be Voidpoint ditching 3D Realms, making a game on their own terms next and having it be a roaring success while 3D Realms goes under in flames for being disgustingly anti-consumer.

Why the fuck are publishers even needed? Just upload to Steam and start selling. What the fuck did these 3D Realms retards contribute other than a giant scandal?

Spoiler: troonery tism

God, how the hell could anyone look at a case like David Reimer's and say it isn't child abuse? They didn't let him decide for himself, they forced it on him, and what a shock; they took a 50/50 with their child's life, and he killed himself because this wasn't what he wanted.

It was a quack named John Money who did that, the guy who started the "gender is just a social construct" bullshit, at least in medicine, and performed impermissible human experiments on both Reimer kids, including just flat out sexually molesting them.

Money convinced the parents to do this. They were not attention seeking scum who trooned their son for attention. They took the advice of a slimy quack who wanted to do sex experiments to prove his bullshit theory.

BOTH kids ended up committing suicide.

This is just sad. I don't like review brigading, but this didn't have to happen.

It sucks, but if you're dealing with pathetic, slimy cowards who cave in to shit like this, you just have to do it to them even harder than the other side does.