NeoGAF & ResetERA - The Hilarious N̶e̶v̶e̶r̶e̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ Splintering "Gaming" Forum Circus

[Cod of War]

Doesn't 3DRealms own the character?

 

[AnOminous]

Not surprised. SgtMarkIV is an autistic scumbag. I don't think there's enough material on him to make a thread though.

Someone tried.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/marcos-abenante-sgtmarkiv.39539/

 

[Judge Dredd]

https://twitter.com/anyprophet/status/1163994102901268480 (https://archive.vn/N6hoi)

"I was in a game developers mentions once!"

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Came across this interesting post on the IF steam discussions.
It's a good point. They don't actually play video games, but use it as a way to make other people miserable. And if they are that broke they can't afford a fairly cheap game that says a lot.

The one reason I doubt that is a library won't let some unwashed troon sit at the computer surfing Twitter all day. Maybe they are stealing a neighbors internet?

Why the fuck are publishers even needed? Just upload to Steam and start selling. What the fuck did these 3D Realms exceptional individuals contribute other than a giant scandal?

I can't answer the second question, but I can answer the first.

Publishers aren't "needed" in the same way that you can technically print your own novel, but good luck trying to sell it. As much as we don't like it, publishers are good at marketing and handling the minutia of getting your game "out there". You have exceptions like Minecraft and Undertale, but most games aren't lucky enough to go viral like that just from word of mouth, and most developers have no background in business.

A good example is Devolver Digital. Even if you hate their E3 presentations, they have a number of hits under their belt. Or at least you'll have heard of more of their games than a random selection from Steam's new releases tab.

That is purely theoretical though, since 3DRealms seems to have done nothing for Ion Fury other than cost them money. I don't recall any marketing for the game outside of sending keys to YouTubers. I assume 3DR handled the negotiations for the console versions, but even that is speculation since they seem more interested in getting ResetEra's approval.

 

[CIA Nigger]

Why the fuck are publishers even needed? Just upload to Steam and start selling. What the fuck did these 3D Realms exceptional individuals contribute other than a giant scandal?

The big reason why indies still flock to publishers is because they can get money and the backing of a publisher. After quite a bit of hype in the early 2010s, Kickstarter crashed and burned. There have been so many failed kickstarters or kickstarters where backers got fucked over in some way that it's a lot harder to get funded if you're not an ex industry professional with a big game attached to your name.

Publishers ensure that you can get your game funded and more easily marketed. Of course when publishers backstab you they become as much of a joke as YouTube MCNs were once YouTube's policies changed. Even then so many indie games come out these days that if you're not a known name in some community or know exactly what gamers are interested in, you can expect it to not do so well.

Ion Fury's marketing consisted of having organic popularity, it had big names in the retro FPS scene endorsing it and gamers happy they were seemingly telling Era to pound sand. Then this happened and now Ion Fury is going to be a forgotten about game that might end up in some YouTuber's dumb gaming moments video 5 years from now.

 

[AnOminous]

Publishers aren't "needed" in the same way that you can technically print your own novel, but good luck trying to sell it. As much as we don't like it, publishers are good at marketing and handling the minutia of getting your game "out there".

Maybe people say they are but this case certainly doesn't show that. It shows the opposite.

The big reason why indies still flock to publishers is because they can get money and the backing of a publisher. After quite a bit of hype in the early 2010s, Kickstarter crashed and burned. There have been so many failed kickstarters or kickstarters where backers got fucked over in some way that it's a lot harder to get funded if you're not an ex industry professional with a big game attached to your name.

Tbh many of the worst scams and fuckups I've seen in Kickstarters have been from so-called "established pros" like Inafune.

 

[DriveByTrolling]

ResetEra user anyprophet explaining why Tim Soret should die or something.

https://twitter.com/anyprophet/status/1164157915608973312 (https://archive.vn/H82ou)
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https://twitter.com/anyprophet/status/1163994102901268480 (https://archive.vn/N6hoi)
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This pathetic excuse for a man is soo beyond damaged I don't know whether to laugh or pity him.

Another journalist is also very happy to see someone of this quality get the boot. Seems like a popular guy.

Richard Lewis on Twitter

“Super sad to learn that Imran Khan got laid off. Not only did he lie about me after I committed the crime of asking him to source a claim he made, he also gloated over Tim Soret's game running into development problems. Enjoy the breadline you bellend. https://t.co/nCQWCsHCrQ”

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https://archive.li/Fmvcj

 

[Jaimas]

The big reason why indies still flock to publishers is because they can get money and the backing of a publisher. After quite a bit of hype in the early 2010s, Kickstarter crashed and burned. There have been so many failed kickstarters or kickstarters where backers got fucked over in some way that it's a lot harder to get funded if you're not an ex industry professional with a big game attached to your name.

Publishers ensure that you can get your game funded and more easily marketed. Of course when publishers backstab you they become as much of a joke as YouTube MCNs were once YouTube's policies changed. Even then so many indie games come out these days that if you're not a known name in some community or know exactly what gamers are interested in, you can expect it to not do so well.

Ion Fury's marketing consisted of having organic popularity, it had big names in the retro FPS scene endorsing it and gamers happy they were seemingly telling Era to pound sand. Then this happened and now Ion Fury is going to be a forgotten about game that might end up in some YouTuber's dumb gaming moments video 5 years from now.

A common thread with many of the biggest failures and fuck-ups isn't that they had good talent going in; that happens with almost every Kickstarter.

The difference is that all of the ones that failed the hardest almost all tried to do shit on the cheap. Inafune has done perfectly servicable work in the past; the problem is that the staff hired for Mighty Number 9 for Comcept almost entirely included people who have literally worked on no other title before - which is exactly how fucking Dina Abou Karam got on the project. This isn't a unique occurrence, and the biggest difference between Kickstarters that succeed with re-creating an oldschool experience (such as Bloodstained or Shantae) do so with teams that have experience, a good understanding of the fandom, and know what they can and can't do. The ones that fail always go over budget, constantly are hamstrung by their inexperience, and frequently show outright incompetence.

There's an old joke that all you need to do to know if a KS can deliver is who's in on it. That's a comment that's proven prescient over the years.

 

[Judge Dredd]

There's an old joke that all you need to do to know if a KS can deliver is who's in on it. That's a comment that's proven prescient over the years.

Except that doesn't work. Look at what happened to Harebrained Schemes Battletech or Nightdive's System Shock remake. For non-kickstarter examples, Wokenstien and Dishonored collapsed despite the same people working on the sequels. Unless there was a Bioware level mass exodus I don't know about.

 

[Jaimas]

Except that doesn't work. Look at what happened to Harebrained Schemes Battletech or Nightdive's System Shock remake. For non-kickstarter examples, Wokenstien and Dishonored collapsed despite the same people working on the sequels. Unless there was a Bioware level mass exodus I don't know about.

I'm just saying, I'm finding it statistically implausible that I have yet to be burned by a KS I donated to.

 

[AnOminous]

There's an old joke that all you need to do to know if a KS can deliver is who's in on it. That's a comment that's proven prescient over the years.

Knowing why they're doing it is also important. The main reason you'd seem to need to crowdfund is you can't get corporate funding for whatever it is you want to do? Why not?

One reason could be you haven't ever done anything or proven yourself before. At least that's an honest reason and whoever is doing it isn't automatically a scam artist of some kind. Lots of the best crowdfunded projects have come from this group, like FTL: Faster Than Light or Darkest Dungeon, to pick one that's been discussed here a lot. Maybe not from total unknowns but certainly not from people who had any major projects before.

The other set is the "established pros." Why would someone need crowdfunding if they were an established pro? Frankly the most obvious reason is it's such a bad idea that they couldn't get corporate backing for it even despite being already famous.

Another reason, though, is they could get corporate funding but they're kickstarting it anyway. Why? The possible reasons aren't very good and one is the most obvious. They intend to collect far more than the project would actually cost if done normally, by hiring incompetents, buffoons and losers, pocket the difference between doing the project as shittily and cheaply as possible, or not even doing at all, and pocket the money.

That's pretty much Inafune and for added bullshit, he hired some incompetent, nasty cunt specifically just to shit all over the backers for no reason at all.

 

[School of Fish]

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Came across this interesting post on the IF steam discussions.
It's a good point. They don't actually play video games, but use it as a way to make other people miserable. And if they are that broke they can't afford a fairly cheap game that says a lot.

Which is why there is no real reason to even pander to these people in the first place. Why pander to these people if they are broke as all shit? Just for once let me play my first person shooters and let me play my anime games in peace.

 

[InfamyBrah]

It's a bit off-topic, but the day I learned about John Money was the day I started writing off all "muh gender" activists and weirdos as crazy and dangerous.
This whole thing is like an excerpt from a /pol/ copypasta or something, yet it really happened and caused an innocent person to have a horrific life of a test subject that led him to suicide. Here are my "favorite" bits about this thing (I'm surprised Wikipedia hasn't edited this article to play down the event despite it having pretty interesting pieces of info):



The latter paragraph is really familiar, eh? I suppose that's not surprising, as the people that subscribe to Money's view of the sexes also find his arguments to be amazingly stellar and worth repeating.

Back on topic though, I agree with Night Owl, this didn't have to happen. Nothing was controversial about those statements, yet apparently everything was. The longer this enabling madness continues, the more kids will suffer at the hands of these john-moneys because nobody will ever tell them they're wrong.

But hey, they're just removing "OGAY" soap dispensers, right?

Read about Kinsley, for full disgust.

 

[Oh Shit I'm Sorry]

Via @sophnar0747, the person who created the IF thread was apparently a troll (also the same person behind that CTR watermelon thread):

Ana Valens lol

Sophia Narwitz on Twitter

“1- Was the attack on Ion Fury a false flag? Here's an internet message board post that is taking credit for it. Anyone could just claim that though, right? Well, let's look at the twitter account that helped push the Era thread. Not much here, but hey, look at those 'likes'”

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Pretty efficient trolling, but it seems he made the classic mistake of using the same username for all his accounts (or he just doesn't care).

 

[NotoriousD]

I'm not knowledgeable on this stuff. The whole devs and publisher relationship thing. What I wonder is, exactly what positive roll did 3DR play in this? I've seen people talk about Ion Fury in a bunch of different discord servers, excited as hell for it, praising what was seen so far, passing it around by word of mouth. All of this I've seen for MONTHS.

Why did/does Voidpoint LLC need a publisher to begin with? The game was widely popular and making the rounds. Sure the 3DR label slapped on probably helped but come on, what did they even do besides probably force Voidpoint to bend over and take it up the ass?

As for the events of late, they suck and whether it was done by a troll or an actually outraged person, this is a huge negative to Voidpoint's rep, in my opinion going forward. Was really looking forward to this, still am and will be playing it soon(but not on Steam obv), and I have no doubts it will be amazing, my opinions on the game have not changed whatsoever.

BUT, going forward, Voidpoint will have it rough. New officially stated policy changes by 3DR that're super restrictive? A good portion of fans no longer trusting them? Potential decline in quality if someone does get fired over this kind of stuff in the future and they stick with 3DR? And if they toss 3DR aside and make some official statements defying all of this, and get out from under 3DR, that will better their rep, but they'll still have it rough. They'll still have the diehards knowing them as "another dev that bent the knee to bullshit identity politics in games that one time" and possibly spreading that message.

And all of this, any assortment of it, and even things I can't think of off the top of my head that others may be able to, will make things rougher moving forward. We might never get a game again of Ion Maiden's apparent quality from Voidpoint again. We might never get a great, or even good game from them again. All because of this shit.

And all of this sucks. Because Ion Fury was and still is among the very top on the list of game releases this year I want to play when I get around to them. And I have the discomfort of knowing I probably won't see another IF-like crazy fun FPS from Voidpoint anytime in the near future.

 

[CIA Nigger]

Pretty efficient trolling, but it seems he made the classic mistake of using the same username for all his accounts (or he just doesn't care).

While this is some crazy accelerationist trolling if true (and not a channer LARPing considering how hard it is to get a ResetERA account), it also highlights everything wrong with the gaming industry at this point.

All it took was a few discord screencaps and he just sat back and watched as Era and journalists did their thing. He not only took out a game he didn't like but also tarnished the reputation of 3d Realms and ResetEra even more. It doesn't matter if a channer started it and took them for a ride, because if it was a longtime poster of ResetEra making the same OP nobody would be speculating this. If this was all an op, this guy played ResetEra and journalists hard just to get back at a game that he couldn't fap to.

The silver lining to all of this is now ResetEra and their troon allies are going to be more confused and weaker than ever. Which one of their stunning and brave trannies is really just a fucking white male trying to get them to attack a game that this troll doesn't like? There's already enough paranoia on Twitter about fake black person/antifa accounts, are fake tranny gamer accounts going to be the next fear? This shitstorm really is going to get interesting.

 

[NotoriousD]

There's already enough paranoia on Twitter about fake black person/antifa accounts

Okay, okay, hold up. Tell me more, please.

 

[CIA Nigger]

Okay, okay, hold up. Tell me more, please.

In late 2016 there was a fear that Nazis were making fake Twitter accounts pretending to be black people, and Andrew Anglin even posted a guide on how to do this on his website. Since then there have been several scares including one in 2017 with said trolls and another in 2019 when trolls pretended to be black Trump supporters. It's such a fear among Twitter activists that some worry that fake ones will drown them out.

This tactic later expanded to other groups, including fake Antifa accounts being made by both Proud Boys members and Nazi Telegram group members. It works because even when these accounts are unmasked as fake, the disinformation fear is real and continues to linger. The other day 4chan flooded Twitter with fake Jew accounts, so this still continues.

These examples were essentially a similar trolling tactic done to a forum that's notoriously hard to get into, if it's actually a trolling op. Blend in with the community, call out games that you dislike giving them reasons they'd latch onto, and watch as these unpaid activists and journalists do the work for free.

 

[AnOminous]

This tactic later expanded to other groups, including fake Antifa accounts being made by both Proud Boys members and Nazi Telegram group members. It works because even when these accounts are unmasked as fake, the disinformation fear is real and continues to linger. The other day 4chan flooded Twitter with fake Jew accounts, so this still continues.

It doesn't help that it's nearly impossible to be even nastier and more stupid than actual antifa accounts, so if they try to purge their groups of insane assholes, they'll be purging more REAL antifa accounts than trolls.

 

[DriveByTrolling]

Via @sophnar0747, the person who created the IF thread was apparently a troll (also the same person behind that CTR watermelon thread):

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Sophia Narwitz on Twitter

“1- Was the attack on Ion Fury a false flag? Here's an internet message board post that is taking credit for it. Anyone could just claim that though, right? Well, let's look at the twitter account that helped push the Era thread. Not much here, but hey, look at those 'likes'”

twitter.com

Pretty efficient trolling, but it seems he made the classic mistake of using the same username for all his accounts (or he just doesn't care).

Operating in the open. You almost want to get caught as the outrage mob and journalists always act first think later.

It's why having an account on Era and getting normies banned is a lot of fun



Just report everything for being transphobic.

I just read about otherkin, those who claim they are. Are they roleplaying or do they actually believe in it?

Never heard of this. Sounds like complete nonsense, just a load of people who have a pathological urge to feel like they're special, different and this is the only way they can deny their basic mediocrity.

www.resetera.com

It's also time for Resetera to sweep under the rug

Ion Fury devs show signs of transphobia among other issues. [Update: Voidpoint apologizes in statement, see threadmarks]

So in your mind, there is absolutely no path to redemption? I haven't seen any of the developers change as people, that's when they are off the shitlist. I also didn't see any statement from Voidpoint specifically, it was 3DR that took care of it for them. When they show they actually grew up...

www.resetera.com

Ethics in moderation

 

[SiccDicc]

Operating in the open. You almost want to get caught as the outrage mob and journalists always act first think later.

Plus it discredits them even further that they didn't even do due diligence in their reporting; they can't win in this scenario especially when it was this fucking easy to find out it was a bad actor.