NeoGAF & ResetERA - The Hilarious N̶e̶v̶e̶r̶e̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ Splintering "Gaming" Forum Circus

I've been lurking here for a while, mostly reading the Phil threads, saw that I couldn't access them anymore and decided to register an account.

I've been a member of various iterations of GAF since the late 90s. NeoGAF has been through many iterations from IGN Snowball to EZBoards to Gaming Age directly and then to NeoGAF. There might be a phase or two I'm not remembering. I'm not proud that I've been a member for nearly 20 years but hey, it is what it is. For several years, I was a regular on the GAF IRC channel, which used to be the way Evilore (Tyler Malka) would pick new moderators and administrators. The IRC channel was a way for Evilore to hold court to see who would kiss his ass the best. Shamefully I kissed ass pretty hard and was almost rewarded for it as I was on a mod shortlist that got sent to me by someone who used to be administrator. This was nearly a decade ago, not sure how the procedure works.

The root cause of the board's decline into what it is now can solely lie on Evilore's shoulders. The board always leaned left but you were occasionally allowed to have a moderate or right wing opinion. However Evilore wants to turn NeoGAF into a multimillion dollar machine and one of the easiest ways to get there is to pander to the "acceptable" elements which is embracing full left wing social justice warrior politics. Evilore himself is quite conservative but he will put money ahead of his beliefs 10 times out of 10. He wants to be a multi-millionaire from GAF. However after several PMs with mods and admins that I know from way back, it seems like Evilore will fall very short of his dream. Not deterred, he still thinks that NeoGAF could be the central hub for gaming industry discussion.

About a decade ago, NeoGAF seemed to be on track. There actually was a decent gaming journalist and developer presence but in Evilore's determination to increase his revenue base, he often sided with trolls and low quality shitposters, which drove out those elements. I'd say 2008 was the last year where there was a strong gaming industry presence on the board. Now it's the joke of the industry.

Another point to mention is that NeoGAF has always had a pedophile problem. The board had a knack for being a honeypot for some of the strangest people I saw hanging around video game forums. Debates about pedophiles vs. ephebophiles have been raging since at least the early 2000s. There is a key difference and that is when a pedo got outed, the pedo was ridiculed. Now, the pedo is considered a victim and the moderators are more likely to protect the pedophile than ban him. It seems odd to me because the mods and admins get furious at being considered a pedophile haven. I consider pedophiles to be like cockroaches, if you see one, chances that's not the only one. There was an old section of the community boards about anime figurines that barely concealed what they thought about having sex with underaged girls. Community threads don't get policed very often since it's a group of cliques. The figurine community was discovered on a NeoGAF offshoot and the moderators had to taken action. Banning the figurine thread of course didn't eliminate the problem, it just pushed it underground.

I have tons more stories that I can share. Long story short, NeoGAF is a joke. Looking at traffic stats, it seemed to have peaked in 2013 and has been on a SomethingAwful style decline ever since (slow and gradual yet noticeable). NeoGAF moderators and administrators are so quick with the banhammer (GAF term) that he is irreparably ruining the forum by permabanning due to pet issues. Evilore in his mid 30s. NeoGAF will probably give him a nice upper middle class income ($75-100k) for the next several years but its future is pretty grim overall. Like SA, I think the damage is irreparable due to the sharp leftward turn of the board's politics since I'd say 2011 or so.
Welcome. Thanks for the insight, first hand accounts are always interesting to read. Feel free to tell us more, stories and content are always welcome as long as you're not trying to deflect or whitewash (local term is "trollshielding").
 
However Evilore wants to turn NeoGAF into a multimillion dollar machine and one of the easiest ways to get there is to pander to the "acceptable" elements which is embracing full left wing social justice warrior politics. Evilore himself is quite conservative but he will put money ahead of his beliefs 10 times out of 10. He wants to be a multi-millionaire from GAF. However after several PMs with mods and admins that I know from way back, it seems like Evilore will fall very short of his dream. Not deterred, he still thinks that NeoGAF could be the central hub for gaming industry discussion.

But that's just fucking stupid. So this moron is a cuck to his own beliefs, in a money grab that is instead vastly unpopular and even much of the left whose ass he's trying to lick hates that shit. I couldn't imagine a dumber, worse time to think that pandering to SJWs is somehow a money maker.

After Ghostbusters? Twitter?

This guy isn't just a shitbag and basically, a traitor with no principles, he's also stupid as fuck.

At least some fucker who actually believes their own shit is pushing what they think is an ethos worth advancing.
 
But that's just fucking stupid. So this moron is a cuck to his own beliefs, in a money grab that is instead vastly unpopular and even much of the left whose ass he's trying to lick hates that shit. I couldn't imagine a dumber, worse time to think that pandering to SJWs is somehow a money maker.

After Ghostbusters? Twitter?

This guy isn't just a shitbag and basically, a traitor with no principles, he's also stupid as fuck.

At least some fucker who actually believes their own shit is pushing what they think is an ethos worth advancing.

From my understanding, which is limited to these farms, ED, and some half remembered posts on /r/neofag, is that EviLore started making these moves long before SocialJusticeBusters and Twatter ever did. Also from my understanding, he was more making an effort to "sterilize" NeoGAF and make it as appealing to a mass market as possible. Granted, none of it fucking worked, and I could be incorrect in my remembering (I usually am), but as far as I know, that's what the juicy gossip was about EviLore's exceptional actions with NeoGAF.
 
I've been lurking here for a while, mostly reading the Phil threads, saw that I couldn't access them anymore and decided to register an account.

I've been a member of various iterations of GAF since the late 90s. NeoGAF has been through many iterations from IGN Snowball to EZBoards to Gaming Age directly and then to NeoGAF. There might be a phase or two I'm not remembering. I'm not proud that I've been a member for nearly 20 years but hey, it is what it is. For several years, I was a regular on the GAF IRC channel, which used to be the way Evilore (Tyler Malka) would pick new moderators and administrators. The IRC channel was a way for Evilore to hold court to see who would kiss his ass the best. Shamefully I kissed ass pretty hard and was almost rewarded for it as I was on a mod shortlist that got sent to me by someone who used to be administrator. This was nearly a decade ago, not sure how the procedure works now for new moderators and administrators.

The root cause of the board's decline into what it is now can solely lie on Evilore's shoulders. The board always leaned left but you were occasionally allowed to have a moderate or right wing opinion. However Evilore wants to turn NeoGAF into a multimillion dollar machine and one of the easiest ways to get there is to pander to the "acceptable" elements which is embracing full left wing social justice warrior politics. Evilore himself is quite conservative but he will put money ahead of his beliefs 10 times out of 10. He wants to be a multi-millionaire from GAF. However after several PMs with mods and admins that I know from way back, it seems like Evilore will fall very short of his dream. Not deterred, he still thinks that NeoGAF could be the central hub for gaming industry discussion.

About a decade ago, NeoGAF seemed to be on track. There actually was a decent gaming journalist and developer presence but in Evilore's determination to increase his revenue base, he often sided with trolls and low quality shitposters, which drove out those gaming industry elements. I'd say 2008 was the last year where there was a strong gaming industry presence on the board. Now it's the joke of the industry.

Another point to mention is that NeoGAF has always had a pedophile problem. The board had a knack for being a honeypot for some of the strangest people I saw hanging around video game forums. Debates about pedophiles vs. ephebophiles have been raging since at least the early 2000s. There is a key difference between then and now and that is when a pedo got outed in the past, the pedo was ridiculed. Now, the pedo is considered a victim and the moderators are more likely to protect the pedophile than ban him. It seems odd to me because the mods and admins get furious at NeoGAF being considered a pedophile haven. I consider pedophiles to be like cockroaches: if you see one, chances that's not the only one. There was an old section of the community boards about anime figurines that barely concealed what they thought about having sex with underaged girls. Community threads don't get policed very often since it's a group of cliques. The figurine community was discovered on a NeoGAF offshoot and the moderators had to take action. Banning the figurine thread of course didn't eliminate the problem, it just pushed it underground.

I have tons more stories that I can share. Long story short, NeoGAF is a joke. Looking at traffic stats, it seemed to have peaked in 2013 and has been on a SomethingAwful style decline ever since (slow and gradual yet noticeable). NeoGAF moderators and administrators are so quick with the banhammer (GAF term) that Evilore is irreparably ruining the forum by permabanning due to petty issues. Evilore in his early-mid 30s now. NeoGAF will probably give him a nice upper middle class income ($75-100k) for the next few years but its future is pretty grim overall. Like SA, I think the damage is irreparable and Evilore may have to look at getting a job by the time he is 40.

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Make with the stories.
 
But that's just fucking stupid. So this moron is a cuck to his own beliefs, in a money grab that is instead vastly unpopular and even much of the left whose ass he's trying to lick hates that shit. I couldn't imagine a dumber, worse time to think that pandering to SJWs is somehow a money maker.

After Ghostbusters? Twitter?

This guy isn't just a shitbag and basically, a traitor with no principles, he's also stupid as fuck.

At least some fucker who actually believes their own shit is pushing what they think is an ethos worth advancing.

This is presuming EvilLore started now. When really he took these moves years ago.

Probably the best pinpoint is E3 2013 - for previous E3's EvilLore and I believe some members of GAF were always able to get press passes. E3's management had a bit of a shake up that year and they started to tighten the rule on what E3 deemed to be "Industry Press" and what wasn't.

NeoGaf was told they did not count as "Industry Press" - the salt flowed.

Suddenly new rules come in that stop use of emotes and excessive use of gifs in threads, popular posters that don't have mod-status get picked off suddenly and so on. It was mostly easy enough to ignore, then GG happened. EvilLore seemed to jump on the clique bandwagon quite hard. I assume because he thought it would help him get some "industry cred" again.

If you remotely sounded even a bit like a gator, you were banned - threads started getting derailed by discussions such as "is the portrayal of Toadette in Captain Toad Adventures sexist" and other such nonsense. It didn't really work out, and Lore stopped sucking up to Tropes vs Women months ago.

The forum seems to be full of "junior" members running amok these days, back in 2008ish usually people made it clear that juniors needed to work for their respect to earn member status but that doesn't even seem to be a thing these days
 
On the first post, there is a picture of Evilore posting links at a site called 'The Real Opa-Age' If Evilore owns NeoGAF, then why did he post at another site?

Opa-Age was the original GAF offshoot. The origin of the board is when Opa-Opa aka Teh Kao Yang (his IRL name is an open secret and has never tried to hide it) melted down when Sega announced that the Dreamcast would be discontinued in 2001. He just fucking lost it and got banned for his meltdown. As a result, he started an off shoot called Opa-Age. Teh was something of a lolcow: he was in his 30s and a virgin. His parents got married as part of an arranged marriage so there was no fatherly advice his dad could pass down. Opa-Age for the first several years was a group of gaffots laughing at Opa's misfortunes. The peak lol is when he looked into getting a mail order bride. A woman from Taiwan flew in to America to meet him. Instead she locked herself in one of his rooms for the entire trip, refusing to talk to him.

OA eventually became the place where banned gaffots went to whine about being banned. While GAF in the early 2000s wasn't the social justice hellscape it is today, there were still a lot of bullshit bans being handed out. There were still a lot of delicate hothouse flowers on GAF who got triggered by your typical shitposting. OA eventually became a place where GAF members, including mods and admins, hung out to shitpost. This included Evilore before and after he became the site's owner. So that explains the picture on the front page where people like Amir0x (former mod) printed out a picture of a guy's girlfriend, jizzed all over it, took a picture, and uploaded it. OA was just that kind of place. Since GAF was growing at that time, a lot of the mods and admins who had OA accounts pretended that they didn't and that they were better than OA.

OA became one of those "scary places" that the child-like gaffots feared to tread. By the late 2000s, OA had enough of its own identity to not really care about GAF, unless something was really ridiculous. They eventually popped back up on the NeoGAF radar when they started trolling the first wave of trannies. The trannies were too much of attention whores to ignore OA. Lexi (lockii) was the first person and I think there were others. By this time, NeoGAF went down the social justice rabbit hole and acted like they were getting attacked by KKK-Nazi-Bigots even though they could have just ignored GAF in the first place.

While I'm sure there are a lot of archives around, it's hard to find all of the great classics from OA. OA had a lot of infighting and so there's several versions of Opa-Ages out and about on the internet. The current iteration, Hippo-Ages, requires you to register before browsing. A lot of people at Hippo-Ages have been around since the original OA and been around on GAF since the 90s like me. A potential site of interest if there's someone or something you want to find information for.
 
From my understanding, which is limited to these farms, ED, and some half remembered posts on /r/neofag, is that EviLore started making these moves long before SocialJusticeBusters and Twatter ever did. Also from my understanding, he was more making an effort to "sterilize" NeoGAF and make it as appealing to a mass market as possible. Granted, none of it fucking worked, and I could be incorrect in my remembering (I usually am), but as far as I know, that's what the juicy gossip was about EviLore's exceptional actions with NeoGAF.

Another factor worth noting is the advertising networks he signs up with. For several years, you couldn't say "fuck" because it broke the rules of whatever advertising network he signed up with. He got rid of it years ago (or found something that would give him more money, either one is equally plausible). He's always been about whatever makes him money and gives him more respect as opposed to his personal views. Although whenever he expresses those views, the implication is that he is not to be called out on them. Most of the people criticizing his sexual assault of spanish girls eventually found themselves banned. The smarter ones dropped the matter entirely when it was obvious that they weren't going to win.

As I said before, he actually made good progress to being a hub for gaming journalism but there were too many low quality people out there and I think the journalists ran off because of it. This was 2008 or so.

One other quick story: one of the big things that happened a decade ago was that gaffers would move to Japan and just hang out with other weeaboos. A couple of these weebs did well for themselves but most of these people ended up in minimum wage jobs or no job at all. These people knew little or no Japanese, would only hang out with other English-speaking-only weeaboos, tried to pick up the local girls, and only really cared about Japanese video games, anime, and manga. The weebs who knew a little Japanese were treated as Gods and would form little cliques in GAF where they would write in Japanese to each other on GAF. Most of them eventually just gave up and moved back to their home country once the appeal wore thin. These weebs would only really stay at Tokyo or Osaka so they often left penniless or in debt. In the end, these people would have been better off if they stayed in their mom's basement, watched anime, ordered their games from Play Asia, and munched on boxes of Pocky and specialty Kit Kats from Amazon. Could have saved them thousands of dollars living in the world's most expensive cities.

Here are a small sample of threads that shatter the perception that Japan is a weeb paradise for socially stunted whites who hope to be sexgods in another country:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55959
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1016275
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55185
 
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Meanwhile, the SFV Story Spoiler thread people defend the plot saying "is like Saturday morning cartoon" as a positive. Such a deep character to latch identity politics on it.

Specially cute when someone mentioned Samus as a potential "transsexual" character without a hint of irony.

Aside from Dictator not being trans, I was under the impression that it was problematic to have villains that were trans. Aside from thirsty fangirls and boys, who is going to look up to a character like that?

"Dur, he killed a shit ton of people, but he's trans so it's okay!!!1"

Most people don't play Street Fighter games for the story anyway, at least partially because the plot is a bit of a mess.
 
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That was an hell of rude awakening
Also,"white people goin' to a foreign land and pretend to be treated like gods by locals" reeks of good ol' colonialism,nice job GAF

Being fair it was before the forum was a SJW haven and when people could care less. Still, seems that half of anime GAF becomes SJW or scorned out of the forums.

Is weird seeing users writing about woman rights and the rights of fictional characters when having avatars of drawings of hentai artists like Asanagi (Protip:Don't google it NSFL) when the forum is famous for dogpiling in weev avatars in recent years.

Many users act way different in community threads over the main Forum Threads (or for that matter, in other community threads).
 
NeoGAF is just such a strange place. We joke, but one could almost do a master's thesis about how people behave in dictatorships using GAF as a source. The strangest thing to me is that people willingly stay there. This isn't Germany under the Nazis where getting out is a potential death sentence, leaving is as easy as fucking off to Reddit or Steam forums. Why stay?

Oh, has anyone brought up the minor FF14 meme that spawned because of GAFfots constantly fucking up rare hunts? Like, the guild that GAFfots made would constantly fuck those hunts up and people would yell in all chat "GAF'd!"
 
NeoGAF is just such a strange place. We joke, but one could almost do a master's thesis about how people behave in dictatorships using GAF as a source. The strangest thing to me is that people willingly stay there. This isn't Germany under the Nazis where getting out is a potential death sentence, leaving is as easy as fucking off to Reddit or Steam forums. Why stay?

Oh, has anyone brought up the minor FF14 meme that spawned because of GAFfots constantly fucking up rare hunts? Like, the guild that GAFfots made would constantly fuck those hunts up and people would yell in all chat "GAF'd!"

Absolutely, it would make a fascinating case study in how individuals would gladly give up their freedoms to conform to groupthink AND extreme illogical moderation/censorship. On the other hand, they're a hilarious bunch who frequently deliver some of the most delicious milk ever produced.
 
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The average NeoGAF member believes they are a member of an elite community so they will put up with whatever. They are so convinced that other large gaming communities are trash because they are full of sexists, racists, and worst of all, gamergaters. They ascribe anything they don't like/anything outside of their rightthink to gamergate. Doesn't even matter if it is gaming related, it's all connected if you ask them. Realistically just about everyone moved from gamergate sometime September or October 2014 but here it is, almost the end of August 2016 and they still talk about it constantly. It isn't because they really want to discuss it, it is just the "other" group that they can snidely dismiss and shit on. Meanwhile they eat a three month ban because a mod was in a bad mood and didn't like their snarky one liner about some manufactured controversy.

If we tie it into the dictatorship analogy, NeoGAF members are okay with forced groupthink and extreme moderation and censorship so long as they feel that they are part of an elite community that allows them to shit on 99% of the other internet, mostly because they are all secret gamergaters. The mods are there to protect them from the evil and bad gamergaters. Also to continue with the dictatorship analogy, there are a lot of people who only get their news from what gets posted on NeoGAF. As a result, these people have a warped view of the world because gaffers like to post a lot of outrage porn. Everyone then piles into the thread and does a oneupsmanship game as to who is the most outraged at this particular event. If you're not outraged enough, you will be dogpiled and then banned. If you're not sufficiently outraged, that automatically means that you are on the side of whoever the shitlord is. Or you are a secret gamergater, whichever is worse.
 
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