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It's the new NeoGAF.
There's still tons of work to do, but it seems to me like they're going in the right direction now that the crazies are out.
Tyler seems to have done a lot of thinking after that incident.
NeoGAF & ResetERA - The Hilarious N̶e̶v̶e̶r̶e̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶ Splintering "Gaming" Forum Circus
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There's still tons of work to do, but it seems to me like they're going in the right direction now that the crazies are out.
Tyler seems to have done a lot of thinking after that incident.
BlueSpark
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There's no way NeoGAF goes down before Something Awful, Evilore is a financial genius compared to Lowtax.
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Evilore is just being a cuck like he was a cuck before by letting the mods run their little political re-education camp. Now that bridge is burnt so he panders to whoever is left in a bullshit half-step.
There is absolutely no reason anyone should look at NeoGAF and go "oh, I guess I should sign up now because it's better". The wind is just blowing in a convenient direction right now.
There is absolutely no reason anyone should look at NeoGAF and go "oh, I guess I should sign up now because it's better". The wind is just blowing in a convenient direction right now.
Stalovna
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Idk if I buy the DDOS attack. It seems more likely to me that the controversy lead to more traffic coming to the site than the site could handle. I certainly buy that ex-Gaffers went after people’s jobs who didn’t disavow.
The post to which Malka is responding mentions that the allegations were false. I haven’t been to this thread in awhile. Were the allegations proven false? I know the allegations were based on a deleted Facebook post, the content of which described a he-said-she-said situation. In other words, was enough information presented for the #metoo crowd to not “listen and believe” the woman who made the Facebook post?
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I agree with you that this reeks of desperation, but personally, I think NeoGAF should've done this a long time ago. I also think there is some teensy element of sincerity about it, give that he was on the receiving end of his formerly-beloved "Listen & Believe".
One interesting thing he also mentioned was giving second chances to people banned by BishopTL & Besada in particular. Seems those two were the biggest offenders.
KiA made a thread about it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAc...evilore_owner_of_neogaf_admits_that_identity/
He also mentioned DDOSes happening after Era was up and running. They are the type to do this IMO. Obviously the truth is lost in between.
This is something that may not be known very publicly, but back when the shitstorm was still going, someone made a new username here, and PM'd some users a set of instructions on how to brick GAF threads.. Myself, @Munchingonfish , @CrunkLord420 and I believe @Squealer the Animalist all received said instructions (We were the ones posting the most during that storm), we raised it privately to the mods and the user was ultimately banned I believe.
RE: the allegations: You are not completely incorrect, it did eventually devolve into what's basically a he-said-she-said situation, that happened after she did an interview with Kotaku I think..
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So NeoGAF is getting better
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The allegations don't need to be proven false for normal people, its usually the other way around.
The fact that said woman didn't actually press charges and also deleted the post says a lot. Malka certainly is a sex pervert but the entire situation sounds like the woman just wanted attention (they hook up after the fact for fucks sake).
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They were all awful. You can see they are still awful in that linked thread.
"Well, given that this is a touchy subject, the thread will be monitored closely. By us. The most important members of NeoFAG. You know. The moderators. We're terribly important in a big deal kind of way. So we'll be watching and letting you know if you are comporting yourselves correctly. Or else. Because we can still ban you even though Uncle Badtouch said slow your roll. We still have that kind of power. So be aware. And shit."
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I said it was heading in the right path, not completely fixed, I am still reading the thread, and people are getting into some heated debates and not getting banned, that IMO is a step forward, Tyler himself said he didn't like the OP, but kept the thread open anyways.
I personally think there is still an identity struggle there, some people want NeoGAF to go back to the beginning ethos, others want a more lenient version of the destroyed hugbox.
PS1gamenwatch
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Here’s the article:
http://nichegamer.com/2018/01/25/ne...y-and-unfair-moderation-ruined-its-community/
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Anyone that browsed the online gaming forum NeoGAF during its more recent years and eventual collapse generally found the community had done a number of things to turn away large numbers of users. Now, we’ve learned that the issues faced by the community and its moderation team were more noticed than we thought.
NeoGAF owner Tyler Malka actually confirmed (via KotakuinAction) the once popular internet gaming forum had a big problem with identity politics, noting that “every identity of person seemed to trend toward hostile tribalism over time,” forming a “huge rift” between the community and its moderation team.
Malka also said that individual mods “had their own agendas they were furthering,” noting that he “failed to course correct it all.” Surprisingly, Malka went on to say that eventually nothing was “progressive enough” and he became the enemy to a subset of the trans community on the site, as well as a subset of every minority community on the site.
Furthermore, Malka said that he “took that all in and tried to navigate it, tried to understand people’s positions,” but unfortunately “nothing was good enough and a ton of people lashed out” at him “any time” he said anything. Coming from this, it makes sense when he confessed that he was “completely miserable every moment I was on GAF” last year.
He went on to say that he “tried to turn things around” but he was dealing with “rough personal issues all year and was only just starting to pull myself out of that when I got #metooed (falsely) out of nowhere. It was overwhelming and scary. It got mainstream media attention.”
Things only got worse from there, according to Malka.
“The community had become a powderkeg of polarized, authoritarian left hostility that seemed to revel in setting this place on fire from within and throw me onto a pyre the moment they found out about that BS allegation,” he said. “Almost all the mods immediately bailed, we got DDoSed for like two straight days, and by the time we were back up we barely had any mod coverage and I was deeply hurt by what the community was saying about me and could barely engage with it.”
After the fallout of NeoGAF and the subsequent launch of ResetEra by its refugees, Malka took a step back to address personal concerns and figure out where to go from there. He pointed out that the trans community within the site isn’t to blame. He now has a good outlook on the entire thing, saying “everything that happened” eventually “became an opportunity to actually course correct this place like I couldn’t when it was at its peak.”
Malka said now the hope is to “actually talk about things again, and use this place for escapism from the shitty real world,” rather than “some insane asylum where you’re driven out for ‘normalizing!!11’ if you don’t hate everything and want to die.”
The GAF owner did reveal that his overall goal with running an internet forum should “trend toward not giving a damn what anyone claims to be in terms of identity, just the content of what they have to say and the evidence supporting it.” He said when you become a “protected class” and wield power by “announcing that you’re a person of color or a woman or trans or whatever it may be,” that sort of power is “going to be taken advantage of on a platform like this. And it was.”
Finally, Malka said that he “never wanted that outcome.” He wanted everyone “to be able to come on here and not deal with what I felt was a massive dissonance between how we typically engage with each other on the internet vs how we do IRL.” Malka also said they’re going to go through the bans handed out by former moderators and unban users who were unjustly banned.
My take: Sadly, ResetEra is more or less the same type of echo chamber you found at NeoGAF during its peak, as most of the users who fled to the former over the latter were the ones taking advantage of those sorts of identity politics. I was a frequent GAF user over five years ago and was generally sad to see what became of its community and staff.
How do you feel about the fallout surrounding NeoGAF? The current state of things? If ResetEra is anything other than a renamed GAF community? Sound off in the comments below.
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It is. I mean, it's pretty much a small community now and maybe the forum will die this year, but you can definitely tell that the people who fucked it up and turned it into a joke unanimously moved on to more autistic pastures at resetera.
Munchingonfish
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"They're worse than ISIS."
Anyone who says that unironically should get a mandatory two week trip to an ISIS territory to enlighten them.
Anyone who says that unironically should get a mandatory two week trip to an ISIS territory to enlighten them.
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It's like the ResetEra Godwin's Law, "worse than ISIS", because you can't be worse than Nazi's.
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I could see NeoGAF's level of discourse improving now that the bulk of the extreme insanity has its own containment board, but Evilore is still a known shithead, so I wouldn't get my hopes up. If anything, it will probably become more boring, because there are fewer people to laugh at -- those are on REEEsetEra.
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GAFfots are already pointing and laughing at ResetEra speds.
BR55
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I agree but thanks to Mad Dog Mattis ISIS has kinda been bombed back into the Stone Age. Ironic isn't it. Those "Worse than ISIS" Republicans are the ones who pretty much wiped them off the face off the earth. Not that ResetERA is aware. CNN and the Huffington Post haven't reported it so it must not have happened.
Munchingonfish
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There was a Neogaf member who once claimed Republicans were worse than ISIS.
https://archive.fo/RJBcr
https://archive.fo/aa7MR
Better hope this is the only thing he has in common with Amir0x.
https://archive.fo/RJBcr
https://archive.fo/aa7MR
Better hope this is the only thing he has in common with Amir0x.
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"They're worse than ISIS" has been around since ISIS has been around. I still remember some fat white beta bitch boy that got on the news during the gamergate bs that said those exact words. That or he said "gamers are terrorists".
people need to realize it's kinda a super retarded and uncool dick move to compare people with differing opinions to people who would slowly behead your loved one with a knife and send you the video of it.
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