New Gnome Code of Conduct - It's pretty bad tbh

[moocow]

Qt, unlike GTK (Gnome) is a traded company, seeking profit. So their pandering should be secondary to actually delivering a functional product and money.

Qt (as a toolkit) is also a delight to work with, especially compared to GTK (the toolkit driving Gnome). Qt is exemplary C++ with a mostly sane design and behaves reliably, requiring fairly little boilerplate (though it does use a funky preprocessor during builds, which some may not like). The hardest part about writing a Qt-based "hello world" is setting up your toolchain (which is pretty easy these days) to build it.

GTK is a clusterfuck. It's such an abuse of C the authors deserve to be put in prison for domestic violence. GTK is straight (gay?) C, with its own abomination of an object-oriented kludge crammed in with preprocessor tricks and a fuckton of macros. The hardest part about writing a GTK-based "hello world" is acquiring enough alcohol to help you cope with the pain you're about to inflict on yourself.

Qt has its warts but GTK is just pure AIDS.

 

[AnOminous]

Shut up boomer

NT 3.5.1 came out only three months before 95.

 

[Shoggoth]

Once you have a firm understanding of Linux and the command line, then I'd advise using Arch proper or Gentoo

Don't take this the wrong way but I think this approach is partially responsible to how we ended up in this mess to begin with. While the CLI is extremely powerful, a user lay user doesn't want or need to dick around with it. Some stuff there is comfy, some is terrible. We talked about it in the programming thread. What you really want is a uniform, sane and consistent UI/UX. The CLI isn't really sane or uniform, we're just used to it. I'm liable to wax poetical about the merits Lisp machines.
Don't push people into the technical corner you enjoy just because you enjoy it yourself. Don't baby people and coddle them like OSX does. Not try to emulate either of these mistakes (GNOME tried to be a shitty mac clone?).
Give them something they're familiar with and will like, or something new, intuitive and productive. In that sense, KDE, Mint and Mate are a billion % preferable as a recommendation for a newcomer than anything else. Just recommend them Ubuntu. They don't care about bleeding edge or systemd(icks) or anything of the sort. They want stuff to work well and to continue using their machine as before. If you take that away they'll nuke it and go back to windows.

 

[GethN7]

The thing that really annoyed me about GNOME 3 even before this disaster of a CoC was the fact that it was basically a piss-poor, bloated macOS UI clone.

Thing is, having used macOS before, yeah, the UI makes sense. Don't like it, but it was clearly tailored for the system from the get go and generally works well with everything. GNOME 3 doesn't do that, it fights against the Linux desktop because it was designed under the assumption you'd use it and it alone for all situations for all types of windows, and since Linux is an OS that is a collection of parts instead of somewhat integrated whole like macOS intends to be, that means GNOME 3 and whatever does not work well with it's components have a fight for supremacy and you are stuck with the ugly aftermath of whatever loses.

Most other desktop managers are less autistic. Me, I've used XFCE because I like the simplicity but the Thunar File Manager sucks ass IMO, so I use the file manager that comes with Cinnamon and the two manage to work nicely for the most part. Sure, there are some conflicts when you try and mix and match other desktop components, but I've never had any fight as hard as GNOME 3 at not playing nice with non-GNOME 3 things, and the designers don't seem to care.

The fact the designers have now formally adopted dangerhair bullshit as their CoC just clinches my desire to leave their craptacular desktop model in the dust.

 

[Marvin]

the CoC is really them infiltrating communties en masse and then changing all of the rules to suit their mental illnesses. It's happened everywhere. It's a form of control and takeover of any industry they want. Pretty soon everything will be troon friendly and anti-white. They even CoC'd Linus for fuck sake recently.

all anyone needs to do is create something, give it a NO COC license and be good.

domgetter/NCoC

No Code of Conduct: A Code of Conduct for Adults in Open Source Software - domgetter/NCoC

github.com

Or even better, a code of merit.

 

[AnOminous]

Or even better, a code of merit.

Someone's vote on internal governance matters should be directly tied to their actual measurable contributions to the project.

It looks like the original of this document is gone. Probably a shrieking mob of completely useless cunts and troons were triggered by it.

 

[Dr. Sexbot]

The tranny sleeper agent thing someone mentioned earlier is spooky. Think we could do the opposite? Hire some competent programmers to infiltrate projects while pretending to be troons (hey, it's on the internet, nobody knows for sure, right?) then shut the bullshit down once they regain control? Hell, we could probably outsource some of this a bit to the poojeets. Even StackExchange code is better than SexExchange code, when it exists.

The only way you can really fuck up is by selecting a 'starting point' that is too advanced for your knowledge level to climb out of.

I had a buddy want to learn linux via Kali (while not already being a network guy). Too steep. Yes, learning by Slackware is probably best, but who has time for that?

>Windows 95
>not NT 3.5.1.

Shut up boomer

Win2k was best Windows, fight me y'all.

 

[The Final Troondown]

Is mint a good linux setup? Was thinking of switching because i hate windows 10 and it seems the nicest on the eye

 

[ebinxxl]

Is mint a good linux setup? Was thinking of switching because i hate windows 10 and it seems the nicest on the eye

Generally yes, but you may want to list what you use windows for and check what is available in Linux for these tasks. Also try what you want in Virtualbox first.

 

[James Edwin]

Is mint a good linux setup? Was thinking of switching because i hate windows 10 and it seems the nicest on the eye

Generally yes, but you may want to list what you use windows for and check what is available in Linux for these tasks. Also try what you want in Virtualbox first.

Linux has a decent number of alternatives. Instead of Office, Mint comes with its own open source alternatives. Instead of F.lux, you can get redshift. I use a program called Clipdiary on Windows but Linux has many alternatives for that as well.

You also don't technically have to virtual machine linux to 'test it out', booting it from a thumbdrive would give a better 'real hardware' example. All changes are temporary until you hit the install icon on the desktop. Just make sure you don't have any drives you want stuff on before installing it, as you can accidentally purge them.

Use this and you can put the mint ISO on a thumbdrive as bootable media. Cinnamon is just a different desktop enviroment, mate and XFCE are as well but also lighter distros. If you really want, you can use Ubuntu Cinnamon as well.

It will be a little different because from Unix, like Mac did, unlike windows. The most noticeable first difference is the lack of a C drive. The entire file-structure is different which could make you feel a little off balance at first. So long as you don't run everything as root and delete things without research first you're pretty safe.

Starting out too you might worry about maintenance. The way drives are formatted (Ext4) are better, you don't have to defrag drives or do a ton of 'typical windows maintenance' stuff. It won't degrade over time, basically meaning you can run it perpetually without a reboot. I entirely reformat and reinstall windows once a year.

 

[MarinaAnnDanzig]

I had a buddy want to learn linux via Kali (while not already being a network guy). Too steep. Yes, learning by Slackware is probably best, but who has time for that?

Learning on Kali? If I remember correctly it's core functions revolves around science (forensics) and internet security but with an offensive approach. (Tails maybe?) ) It was beyond me when I first started hopping and it is beyond me now I've settled. I started out on Debian and then Mint, got frustrated fast but found Lubuntu and xbuntu on the way back to Windon't. Figured out how to dual boot and went back and forth from Zorin (which is where Windows defectors should start) to windows and I'd say 100 distros over two years. Found, really liked and ran Deepin for about a year until a new release destroyed a good thing. I liked Peppermint (alot) but could not get the display settings to run three monitors like I wanted. Got really frustrated and went back to Windows waving a white flag. Bali, Elementary, Pop, Knoppix (which i still use on a thumbdrive to fix anything that won't post and craziest community EVER...) Mate, Budgie, Ubuntu (So inflated it is now the worst distro of all time). Alpine, Slax. Slackware, Gentoo (too complicated) and of course all the Puppy Linux distros (could never get the internet to cooperate with me on any Puppy distro) all pretty much sucked ass. I settled on 4 distros finally after about a year of hopping.

Mx Linux - Just wasn't ready then. Three releases since and it looks to be finally where i seen it going. May try again now that w7 is at end of life

Sparky Linux - was one release away from being what I needed. Same. May try again

PC Linux or OS Linux (I forget) - would have been my full time distro but again damn bluetooth/wifi card issues with a certain driver that literally 9000 people a day had the same issue yet it still isn't fixed to this day

Linux Lite or just Lite - has been on all my other machines for over a year. Except my server. (Ubuntu's only usefulness) . The only machine still running Windows is the one I'm on now. 3 days ago my PC updated itself and displyed a warning about W7 EOL. Today I finally go completely Windows free lol.

So yeah TL; DR Windows users who are thinking of switching should try. Zorin, x or lubuntu, Puppy Linux. Linux lite and or/Sparky Linux
Distrowatch is the best resource on the web for Linux Releases

Win2k was best Windows, fight me y'all.

W7 chump

It will be a little different because from Unix, like Mac did, unlike windows. The most noticeable first difference is the lack of a C drive. The entire file-structure is different which could make you feel a little off balance at first. So long as you don't run everything as root and delete things without research first you're pretty safe.

This was the biggest hurdle for me. Windows had taught me literally nothing and when I tried to switch it showed.

 

[MarinaAnnDanzig]

50 top distros according to Distrowatch (with links to each) . Been a while since I visited DW. Seems MX has come a long way...

1	MX Linux	4640
2	Manjaro	2692
3	Mint	2271
4	Debian	1603
5	Ubuntu	1488
6	elementary	1295
7	Solus	1103
8	Fedora	978
9	Zorin	957
10	deepin	892
11	antiX	803
12	CentOS	772
13	KDE neon	763
14	PCLinuxOS	705
15	openSUSE	697
16	ArcoLinux	694
17	Pop!_OS	679
18	Arch	628
19	Kali	518
20	Lite	441
21	Puppy	429
22	ReactOS	422
23	FreeBSD	421
24	Peppermint	392
25	SparkyLinux	381
26	EasyOS	379
27	EndeavourOS	375
28	Lubuntu	373
29	Slackware	356
30	Mageia	355
31	Tails	353
32	Archman	350
33	Parrot	330
34	SmartOS	322
35	Xubuntu	320
36	Q4OS	317
37	Trident	311
38	Alpine	296
39	Kubuntu	290
40	Voyager	285
41	Void	280
42	KNOPPIX	270
43	Ubuntu MATE	267
44	Android-x86	264
45	Red Hat	261
46	Endless	259
47	LXLE	255
48	Bluestar	253
49	Gentoo	247
50	Devuan	238

 

[Give Her The D]

50 top distros according to Distrowatch (with links to each) . Been a while since I visited DW. Seems MX has come a long way...

1	MX Linux	4640
2	Manjaro	2692
3	Mint	2271
4	Debian	1603
5	Ubuntu	1488
6	elementary	1295
7	Solus	1103
8	Fedora	978
9	Zorin	957
10	deepin	892
11	antiX	803
12	CentOS	772
13	KDE neon	763
14	PCLinuxOS	705
15	openSUSE	697
16	ArcoLinux	694
17	Pop!_OS	679
18	Arch	628
19	Kali	518
20	Lite	441
21	Puppy	429
22	ReactOS	422
23	FreeBSD	421
24	Peppermint	392
25	SparkyLinux	381
26	EasyOS	379
27	EndeavourOS	375
28	Lubuntu	373
29	Slackware	356
30	Mageia	355
31	Tails	353
32	Archman	350
33	Parrot	330
34	SmartOS	322
35	Xubuntu	320
36	Q4OS	317
37	Trident	311
38	Alpine	296
39	Kubuntu	290
40	Voyager	285
41	Void	280
42	KNOPPIX	270
43	Ubuntu MATE	267
44	Android-x86	264
45	Red Hat	261
46	Endless	259
47	LXLE	255
48	Bluestar	253
49	Gentoo	247
50	Devuan	238

Never heard of MX. Is it good?

 

[Jump]

50 top distros according to Distrowatch (with links to each) . Been a while since I visited DW. Seems MX has come a long way...

Last i checked MX also installs with out systemd by default. That my be why it has become so popular. People looking for non-systemd options other then slackware or *BSD.

 

[Dr. Sexbot]

...I'd say 100 distros over two years...

Jeebus, after trying a half-dozen distros and not finding what you wanted, you could have saved yourself a lot of hassle and learned something useful in the process by just building your own. You don't have to use a stock distro. Stuff like Linux From Scratch exists for a reason.

 

[Shoggoth]

I had a buddy want to learn linux via Kali (while not already being a network guy). Too steep. Yes, learning by Slackware is probably best, but who has time for that?

Learning linux via kali is like learning sex via a dildo. While technically correct, you're just gonna buttfuck yourself.

 

[He Who Points And Laughs]

Is mint a good linux setup? Was thinking of switching because i hate windows 10 and it seems the nicest on the eye

Mint is a solid distro that is very easy to use. My only complaint about it is that it is not a rolling release. Rolling releases are the easiest to keep up to date. For this reason, I'd recommend Manjaro over Mint. Both are user friendly for Windows people, but Mint is built off of Ubuntu which is built off of Debian, while Majaro is built off of Arch Linux and is a rolling release.

Learning linux via kali is like learning sex via a dildo. While technically correct, you're just gonna buttfuck yourself.

Well said. Kali is a very specific distro for pentesting and forensic work. Unless you know what you are doing, or are going through the training to learn how to use the tools properly, there's no reason to use Kali. I do have a Kali laptop, but that's for work. When I'm playing around with hackthebox at home, I use a Kali VM image on my Gentoo desktop.

50 top distros according to Distrowatch (with links to each) . Been a while since I visited DW. Seems MX has come a long way...

18,19,49

 

[ditto]

Jeebus, after trying a half-dozen distros and not finding what you wanted, you could have saved yourself a lot of hassle and learned something useful in the process by just building your own. You don't have to use a stock distro. Stuff like Linux From Scratch exists for a reason.

I don't think Linux from Scratch teaches very much unless you are already very familiar with GCC and Unix concepts and want to know even more. It's just a lot of typing in obscure commands and they're also moving to systemd.

 

[CrunkLord420]

I don't even know where DistroWatch supposedly gets their numbers from. I'm not convinced MX Linux is even popular let alone #1.

 

[He Who Points And Laughs]

I don't even know where DistroWatch supposedly gets their numbers from. I'm not convinced MX Linux is even popular let alone #1.

iirc, the numbers are based on people clicking the download button for the distros from distro.org. Most people these days just go to the distro's home page and use their ISOs. I would think that Mint, Manjaro, and Ubuntu would be the top 3.