New Gnome Code of Conduct - It's pretty bad tbh

[He Who Points And Laughs]

it works on page views, therefore, you can pick the most obscure random piece of shit distro and F5 the page a bunch of times with a bunch of proxies and put it to number 1 anytime you feel like

Let's make Source Mage #1

 

[Pee Cola]

Yeah, but it should be kept simple for people. Something barebones like LXDE, something middle-ground like Ubuntu and something higher end. Three distribution is enough.

Today you have Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Kubuntu, Ubuntu mate, Linux mint, Debian... That's fucked and part of the reason why people will never make the jump.
You shouldn't have to spend dozen of hours to chose a distribution. Devs efforts are also badly spread.

Oh man ... I shudder to think of the angst you'd have suffered had you been around in the '80s. All those 8-bit micros to choose from probably would have triggered meltdowns.

IMHO the diversity of distros is one of Linux's greatest strengths. Whilst it's understandable (and in some ways desirable) for a handful of distros to become default choices for normies, losing the niche distros would also kill off much of Linux's character and put a pretty big dampener on the enthusiast/dev community.

 

[James Edwin]

Distro's are just a 'starting point' anyways. That's the most important thing to explain to someone new. All it is 'Linux, but with different stuff pre-packaged'.

It's like going on a year long camping trip. You can either come with the absolute basic universal tools and build from there, or come with a handful of stuff.

I don't give a care about setting up a 'perfect system' that's exact to my needs, I have basic, though broad needs, so Mint is perfectly good for me. If I want a specialized system, I'll run archlinux to VM windows 10 on half of my cores.

 

[He Who Points And Laughs]

Distro's are just a 'starting point' anyways. That's the most important thing to explain to someone new. All it is 'Linux, but with different stuff pre-packaged'.

It's like going on a year long camping trip. You can either come with the absolute basic universal tools and build from there, or come with a handful of stuff.

I don't give a care about setting up a 'perfect system' that's exact to my needs, I have basic, though broad needs, so Mint is perfectly good for me. If I want a specialized system, I'll run archlinux to VM windows 10 on half of my cores.

Beautifully said. Technology is your bitch. Never be its bitch.

 

[Safir]

That said, it's real easy to write a rule that says "don't touch people without their permission" without making it fucking weird.

It has to be fucking weird because of the audience.

If it's your personal project that other people might find and volunteer for, you don't need rules, but a one-liner can filter out the crazies so they don't waste your time.

If it's something you're inviting people for, such as a conference, you need to publish some sensible rules - not to tell normies how to behave (they know already) but to assure them you will be enforcing these rules against any crazies that might show up.

But if you're making rules you want the crazies to actually follow (babysitting special needs children, organizing a Gnome conference), they need to be specific, and they come off as 'fucking weird' because they are. They're saying, "our primary audience can't be expected to have mastered the basics of social interaction". Of course it's a warning sign, but it needs to be there if the organizers don't want to kick out half the visitors and all the speakers.

 

[DNA_JACKED]

Oh man ... I shudder to think of the angst you'd have suffered had you been around in the '80s. All those 8-bit micros to choose from probably would have triggered meltdowns.

IMHO the diversity of distros is one of Linux's greatest strengths. Whilst it's understandable (and in some ways desirable) for a handful of distros to become default choices for normies, losing the niche distros would also kill off much of Linux's character and put a pretty big dampener on the enthusiast/dev community.

Linux's greatest strength is also its greatest weakness. The vast variety of different distros means that anytime someone disagrees with a piece of software, rather then just making it work and moving on they spend god knows how many hours duplicating that work to make it their own. The sheer man hours wasted by linux devs re-inventing the wheel because they wanted it to use different command words or have a different interface and the effort to maintain all 200+ distros is ASTOUNDING.

If all that effort had been poured into a central idea and made to work, ubuntu would be a legitimate player in the desktop space by now.

 

[AnOminous]

The sheer man hours wasted by linux devs re-inventing the wheel because they wanted it to use different command words or have a different interface and the effort to maintain all 200+ distros is ASTOUNDING.

This is actually part of why it's worth doing, though. Just the fact that some lunatic will put their entire life into improving a tiny part of it just for the 10% of weirdos who agree with that crazy guy actually putting it into a distro.

SJWs want to fuck this up just to be able to cancel it for some specific crazy guy whose opinions have nothing whatsoever to do with the functionality of his code.

What they're actually doing is just boosting corporations and destroying open source.

 

[James Edwin]

You forget how big of a key thing having options is tbh.

Windows is frustrating because no matter what I do, it will never feel like my "personal" computer, ever. There is zero customization and zero specialization. There is also zero different between windows installations. Every office/school computer is identical to every gaming and rendering PC. It's even been constant for all windows versions. If you want a new start menu you have to use hardware-eating bloatware, that's fucking bullshit.

In Linux I can change the entire desktop enviroment, default programs, terminal, and everything on my desktop to an entirely different one, just by logging out and selecting it, then logging back in. The feel of the computer will be changed so radically that it'll go from a gaming PC to a boring, lightweight windows-style school/office computer instantly.

Having as many interfaces as possible means it doesn't matter if you aren't able to make you're own, you'll find the right software manager for you, with the right terminal, file explorer, etc. Eventually it'll feel like 'you'.

That doesn't matter for people who don't care about computers, however if you want something truly to be 'your own', then its out there. Building a fully custom PC and being able to customize down to every detail is a truly unique experiance.

 

[He Who Points And Laughs]

You forget how big of a key thing having options is tbh.

Windows is frustrating because no matter what I do, it will never feel like my "personal" computer, ever. There is zero customization and zero specialization. There is also zero different between windows installations. Every office/school computer is identical to every gaming and rendering PC. It's even been constant for all windows versions. If you want a new start menu you have to use hardware-eating bloatware, that's fucking bullshit.

In Linux I can change the entire desktop enviroment, default programs, terminal, and everything on my desktop to an entirely different one, just by logging out and selecting it, then logging back in. The feel of the computer will be changed so radically that it'll go from a gaming PC to a boring, lightweight windows-style school/office computer instantly.

Having as many interfaces as possible means it doesn't matter if you aren't able to make you're own, you'll find the right software manager for you, with the right terminal, file explorer, etc. Eventually it'll feel like 'you'.

That doesn't matter for people who don't care about computers, however if you want something truly to be 'your own', then its out there. Building a fully custom PC and being able to customize down to every detail is a truly unique experiance.

So much this.

Once I found out about Gnome using window managers inside of its shell, I started changing those and found enlightenment (15 at the time iirc). Learning I could just use enlightenment without a desktop environment was a revelation for me, and I started just using enlightenment on its own. I tried all of the *box WMs (black, open, flux) and enjoyed them. I used enlightenment from 15 through Moksha, even using the original vaporware version of 17 that was recoded from the ground up into the proper 17. Of course KDE and XFCE were used, along with a whole host of other WMs.

In the end I found tiling WMs and found my comfy place. An environment that, to me, just feels like Linux and nothing else. DWM for my Archlinux laptop and i3 for my Gentoo desktop and Kali laptop. My terminals are my own, using a patched st or highly configured urxvt. My shell is a personally tuned Zsh with the aliases I've made over the years to make life easier. The applications I use for both work and general computer use have been narrowed down to my personal favorites which harmonize well after much experimentation, and nearly everything I do I can do from the commandline.

Linux is absolutely a beautiful experience, but you must fine tune it for your own needs and happiness... and many people are simply not willing to put in that much effort.