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IS DEAD POPE FRANCIS GOOD?

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Considering how Francis has stacked the College of Cardinals in his time as Pope I expect more of the same behavior from his successor should he abdicate or die. It's not impossible per say for a more conservative Catholic to come out on top in a Papal conclave election it's just the odds aren't really in their favor at this point.
 
Nagato Kai Ni Surigao said:
Holy shit, this thread is 4chan tier. If you came here to make an unfunny quip, you have to go back.

I'm reading Cardinal Sarah's book right now and it's very interesting learning about his life in Africa. He came from a smaller village that was converted by missionaries. The missionaries had to avoid the larger cities because islam had already taken root there. As a bishop he was actively speaking out against the bloody dictator Sékou Touré and after Touré died of natural causes it came out that Sarah was on his to-kill list. I think he's a solid guy and a lot of people would love to see him pope, but it's the cardinals that vote and not us.
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This is among the best comments on this thread.

lIllllIiiiiLLLLiiiiIIIIll said:
I am loling pretty hard at how avoided the "No, Pope Francis was good" poll option is. We're all good and true Christians here, I reckon. Very pleased with the results.
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I think any devout Catholic would be horrified at the results of the poll here, but at the same time they wouldn't score Pope Francis very highly. As much as I find his conciliatory stance necessary he's been too lenient on subversives like Fr. James Martin while being restrictive on the Traditional Latin Mass which, while a home for sedevacantist types, has long been regarded as sacred by generations of Catholics, including saints.
 
Commander Kneewing said:
I think any devout Catholic would be horrified at the results of the poll here, but at the same time they wouldn't score Pope Francis very highly.
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Horrified is a strong word, I might say surprised or disappointed if it wasn't so predictable.

Pope Francis, IMO, gets a lot more flack than he really deserves. As I've said several times here, I understand why that is, he has a hard time with optics. Though I'm not inclined to assign malice to that like others are because I can also see how in a lot of ways he's tried to embody the more difficult teachings of Christ. Loving your enemies, embracing sinners, a real sense of self sacrifice, and a rejection of the prideful. These are the teachings that made people hate Christ because they are so difficult for us humans.

Another issue at hand is the bizarre blind spot people have for the media when it comes to reporting on the Church. As if they suddenly stop being lying manipulative journo scum whenever Catholicism is involved. Of course this only makes Pope Francis' issue with optics all the more prevalent.

Coincidentally the Gospel reading at mass yesterday was one I think of when it comes to Pope Francis and the more difficult teachings of Christ.

Specifically these lines
Luke 6:32-33 32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.
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If Pope Francis had done a better job communicating his motivations and intentions, cutting off a lot of this negative speculation at the pass, then I reckon people would at least understand him more than they do now.
While I'm here I'd also like to elaborate on my earlier statement regarding Crusades and how the desire for them is misguided.

The First Crusade was a justified and necessary response to unchecked muslim aggression, but it, and all other Crusades, are also a relic of time when Church and State were thoroughly intertwined. This might seem like a good thing when the Church provides positive influence over the State, but its a two way street and can then allow the State to provide negative influence over the Church as well. Many of the worst moments in the Church's history can be traced back to this form politicization and influence.

Wars can be justified and necessary, but they should be solely the realm of the State, not the Church. The enshrinement of holy war, or jihad, is one of islam's biggest and most obvious flaws.

There's a famous muslim apostate that explains it very well.
"Let me tell you why a Muslim would drive his car into a crowd of innocent people. I was raised Muslim, and I know exactly why this happens. It’s not poverty. It’s not oppression. It’s not even radicalization. It’s the logical outcome of Islamic doctrine itself. It doesn’t matter if you’re a Muslim or not; we, as human beings, carry guilt deep inside us. We know we are not good enough and spend our lives trying to redeem ourselves through good deeds, thinking it will make the guilt disappear.

Christianity, for example, offers a way out of guilt, a solution not based on your works but on Christ’s. Salvation isn’t earned; it’s given. You accept that you can’t redeem yourself because Christ did everything on your behalf. That means you’re free. Free to live, free to build, free to serve, free to love.

When Christians feel lost, broken, and needing forgiveness, they can go to church, talk to a pastor or priest, and leave knowing they have been forgiven.

Islam, on the other hand, doesn’t offer redemption; it weaponizes guilt. Instead of providing salvation, Allah exposes you, holds your sins over your head, and threatens you with hellfire and torture in the grave.

The Quran isn’t a book of peace; it’s a book of threats. It bullies Muslims into obedience through fear, humiliation, and punishment.

So, what happens when a Muslim seeks redemption? They try to be better Muslims. They pray, fast, give to charity, go on Hajj, and do everything Allah commands. But it never works. I know. I did it.

And no matter how much you pray, no matter how much you try, the guilt never goes away. Because deep down, every Muslim knows it’s not enough. Allah always demands more.

Allah loves those who die fighting against the infidels. That’s not an opinion, it’s in the Quran, Hadith, and every lesson taught to children.

This is why Muslims, even the so-called "moderates," always hesitate to condemn terrorism. Because they know Allah requires jihad. They might not be willing to commit it themselves, but they cannot say it’s wrong.

So when a Muslim fails to reach peace through religious rituals, they have two choices:

Give up, stop being devout, and learn to live with the guilt, or commit to jihad because that’s the only way to be true to yourself.

The Quran spells it out clearly: “Kill those who do not worship Allah or obey the Prophet” (9:29).

So when a Muslim embraces this identity fully, killing infidels isn’t just justified; it’s joyful. It’s an act of:
✔ Saving yourself
✔ Obeying Allah
✔ Securing your eternity
✔ Finally escaping the crushing weight of guilt

This is why a Muslim can drive his car into a crowd of innocent people and feel nothing but satisfaction. Because for the first time in his life, he finally believes he has done something worthy of redemption."

~ Imtiaz Mahmood
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So when people say they want a Crusade, what they really want is to feel religiously justified in their violence and hate like muslims are. This goes counter to the teachings of Christ:
Luke 6:27-29 27 “But I say to you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. 29 To him who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your cloak do not withhold your coat as well.
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We should not allow ourselves as Christians to stoop down to the level of the muslims by embracing our own brand of jihad.
 
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As a born and raised Protestant... can't help but wonder if this is God's punishment for them choosing to worship an anime girl idol (and worse, one that looks like she's not wearing anything underneath her coat!) instead of the True Lord.

It's like how Aaron ordained the construction of a golden calf to visually represent God when Moses stayed too long on Mt. Sinai.
 
Spob said:
As a born and raised Protestant... can't help but wonder if this is God's punishment for them choosing to worship an anime girl idol (and worse, one that looks like she's not wearing anything underneath her coat!) instead of the True Lord.

It's like how Aaron ordained the construction of a golden calf to visually represent God when Moses stayed too long on Mt. Sinai.
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As a born and raised Catholic I know that God tends to give us what we've chosen. Protestants pridefully chose schism, and in turn they've received schism upon schism upon schism.

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Preacher ✝ said:
As a born and raised Catholic I know that God tends to give us what we've chosen. Protestants pridefully chose schism, and in turn they've received schism upon schism upon schism.

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Have fun burning in your temporary cleansing oven for all of eternity, you filthy heretic.

ETA: denominations are dumb. Jesus Christ's true vision for church is nondenominational.

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I'm rooting for Erdő :optimistic:
For the American Catholic journalist Robert Moynihan — who interviewed Erdo for four straight days in Budapest — he “is a man from the center of Europe, but even more so a man from the ‘heart’ of Europe.” He represents, Moynihan writes, “the best that the European tradition can offer: learning, knowledge, study, reflection, clarity of thought, wisdom.” He considers “the flame of the faith” as “the source of the greatest achievements of Europe: the triumph of social justice, the commitment to the defense of human rights, the search for peace and peace organizations that can indicate politically viable ways to make peace between nations.”
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He has a love for the post–Vatican II liturgy, especially its emphasis on Old Testament readings. Although he prefers the Ordinary Form of the Mass, he is willing to permit the Extraordinary Form and will support it if called to do so but he made no public comment on Traditionis Custodes and its restrictions on the traditional Latin Mass.
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Erdõ denies universalism, the idea that all are saved, but nevertheless believes that all can be saved. Ultimately, he believes, only through Jesus Christ can mankind find its way to God. He is in favor of pastoral accompaniment for “remarried” divorcees but only if there is “no doubt” about the Church’s teaching on the indissolubility of marriage. He is firmly against the acceptance of homosexual unions but favors pastoral support for those suffering same-sex attraction. He upholds Humanae Vitae, is strongly pro-life, and has a fervent Marian devotion.
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To anyone hoping for a conservative pope akin to Pope John Paul II... That's not happening. The college of Cardinals has been stacked to the point that only another Jesuit communist will become next pope.

If you are a conservative Catholic, take this a faint point of hope.... The church is reactive rather proactive. Should it become obvious that the world governance is becoming more conservative, the Catholic church will change with the political winds as preserving their tiny nation state and the Vatican bank is greater than any theological concern.
 
It would legitimately be a miracle if the church ever got a pope that actually punished and condemned pedophiles instead of protecting them so i'll stick with hoping mussies blow up the vatican with the top brass sickos inside.
 
Coincidence that he died on the day after Easter. Maybe someone finds that symbolic?
Does anyone know if he was well enough to deliver this Easter's sermon?

I'm also not a fan of the "Commie Pope", but I respect the office and the church that Catholic built. Do practicing Catholics grieve or care much about the Pope's passing besides all the political bullshit (within and outside the church) that's about to go down?
 
Dave The Diver said:
Coincidence that he died on the day after Easter. Maybe someone finds that symbolic?
Does anyone know if he was well enough to deliver this Easter's sermon?

I'm also not a fan of the "Commie Pope", but I respect the office and the church that Catholic built. Do practicing Catholics grieve or care much about the Pope's passing besides all the political bullshit (within and outside the church) that's about to go down?
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No, sermon was delivered by the MC, instead of the appointed Cardinal because Bergoglio had a beef with that guy.

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