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Apparently, even bots on Grindr are nice guys.
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if anything gay nice guys are worse, the dating pool for homosexuals in pretty slim already.
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Corbin Dallas Multipass
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Lol, what a spaz. Very creative spelling of superficial though.
What did ever happen to personality and class? Clearly this guy didn't get any...
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It's funny how nice guys never seem to go for average or below average women. It's almost as if they don't know how sexual attraction works.
That's why dildos exist, basically the same thing but without the risk of contracting HIV.
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Where does nice guydom even come from? It has always seemed like a meme like frogposting, but where the hell do people even get the whole 'women are demons' philosophy after being politely turned down from dick pics? I've had my own spergs and 'lost faith in humanity' moments but what causes these people to go batshit fucking insane over being rejected by girls that they barely even knew? Does it have to do with the nature of entitlement and temper tantrums, or do people have childhood traumas that legitimately make them paranoid that every woman hates them? Even peacocks don't go into a fit of rage when the female eyes the one with the prettier tail, why do modern men do this so much, and why is it rare for women to be this way? I can't wrap my brain around the stupidity of this all. Even CWC makes more sense in his nature than these gentleboys do.
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Oh, it's been a thing for a very long time. It's just more visible now because of social media.
Yep.
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Most likely because of stuff like this:
Most dorky/nerdy/weirdo guys see stuff like George "You are my Density" McFly hook up with a hottie like Loraine Baines by punching Biff Tannen's lights out and get into their heads that if they do the same thing they'll get the same results. What they don't realize is that movies don't equal real life as well as the fact that George McFly (and the other nerds these guys look up to) does things like Showers, Shaves, drives, has multiple interests and is professional in his manner of dress
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Don't forget those nerdy characters actually put effort and do not sperg out when rejected
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It's not that rare, and seems to be becoming more common.
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Tbh I think it's becoming more common bc of performative 'wokeness' and feminism
I'm no sperg who blames the 'downfall of western civilization' on feminism but I've noticed it's made a lot of my straight girl friends act a certain way towards men in their life and men as a whole (which, tbf I'm in theatre so it's extremely liberal and not only tolerated but encouraged by women and even men)
cawk mcnibbler69^%
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"Shitty parenting" what type(s)? Even kids with honest parents can have a poor understanding of life until they break away from their parents and stop being spoonfed information. Are shitty parents ones that pamper their kids or were you referring to a different type of parent?
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That the shitty way women have been treated in the past (and are treated today) means it's chill to just casually say awful things (non-jokingly) about dudes, and if you say anything against that you suffer from "Internalized Misogyny" (many people, men and women, first accuse me of trying to attract men by being 'anti-feminist' when I say "Hey this is weird and not cool" before learning I'm gay and then switching to me having Internalized Misogyny)
"Men are trash", "Guys should just die", "Males are useless", etc, etc. And many guys actively encourage this. It's sorta the same thing with many PoC vs White Guilt people.
Lemme tell you, it's really weird when gay men to fall over themselves when you say "Well, yeah, being a lesbian sucks in the way that we're treated by society, but in some ways gay men have it worse" to assure you that you, as a woman, are higher than them in the oppression olympics. You see that even more with straight people. It's like Male Guilt in a counterpart to White Guilt
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You've gotten a few answers to this, but one that I didn't see is that it's simply someone with anxiety dealing with a lot of pressure, justified or otherwise.
There are a lot of unhealthy stereotypes ingrained into people (mostly men, though) through the media, parenting, peers, etc about how we're supposed to interact with potential partners. There's a large stigma around not having sex frequently, being single, or being a virgin that means that you, especially at an early age, are a failure of a man and should be treated (and will be treated) as such.
This is compounded by the fact that this is partly true - sex is a large part of our culture (as Americans, at least) and we have such a warped view of it. For young men, it's thing that you have to do as a your own trial of manhood and by contrast for young women it's this thing that you have to try and avoid and safeguard. There are barely any good resources for sex education (schools either go too far or not far enough) and a lot of young men take cues from literal pornography, which really complicates the issue. I'm no porn-hating puritan, but it's really not a good resource for learning how to participate in sex.
Additionally, there are virtually 0 resources for actually building the relationships that one would need to build to have and maintain a normal sex life. What passes for "resources" out there are horrendous wastes of time (a.k.a Red Pill shit, Pick Up Artistry, or advice for Men from Women) that lead to some horrific behaviors. This is on top of the prevailing sense of entitlement that is synonymous with the "millennial" generation.
We basically throw all this at kids (mostly men, but there are nice girls too) and expect them to figure it out - but some kids just can't handle the pressure. The air of desperation that comes from them comes from the fact that they literally think if they can just figure this out, to be "normal", that their lives would literally change right then and there.
This has always been a thing, but technology advances have made all of the worst parts of it much, much worse. You can get bad advice much easier, you can be in constant contact with people when sometimes you really shouldn't be, you have much easier access to pornography than ever before, it can be really hard to escape from once you've dug yourself in.
Not that it's an excuse, mind you, but we really throw a lot of people into the meat grinder with no real preparation and are shocked when some people don't "get it". It's society's lack of preparation that has morons like this paying $30 for some e-whore's bath water instead of being able to look at themselves in the mirror and figure their shit out.
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Also you know some people are just dicks, and it’s not much deeper then that.
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I actually think this is right to some extent, but not in the same sense.
I’m certainly not one of those trad “all women need to be stay-at-home baby machines” types, but I think our current culture under feminism tries really hard to rewrite the natural truth about how the two genders work, and it gives immature chuckleheads like these some warped perceptions that don’t really work in real life.
Women are generally attracted to guys who have interests and passions. Even if the girl thinks those interests and passions are stupid, it still shows the guy has something in his life other than her. Women like guys who are successful and confident at what they do, even if what they do isn’t the most glamorous thing. And women like guys who are dominant leaders, but not domineering assholes.
But the current state of culture and media really doesn’t want you to think that. Male fantasy media either portrays relationships where an idiotic doughy man pulls a woman way above his pay grade just because he does a special thing for her, or women falling at the feet of an all-powerful main character. “Woke” media shows relationships where a nearly omnipotent super-badass woman tolerates a bumbling incompetent man.
I don’t really think either is giving young boys the realistic blueprint of what they need to both be happy with themselves and to impress women. I think a big sign of a “nice guy” is really just that being “nice” is all they have going for them. Trying to score a girlfriend is their main desire in life, to the extent they don’t have much else interesting going on in their head. And since in their head they’re the nice guy, just like all the movies showed them that girls want, they can’t fathom that the other guys out there might both be (actually) nice and also interesting/good-looking/popular/strong/whatever.
Being “nice” is also just way easier than actually being interesting. A lot of these guys just want to collect a girl in the laziest way possible, and being “nice” seems like the easiest route. It doesn’t help if they get into the PUA shit, which instills the idea that they’re some magical combinations of things that you can do to make any women love you.
I think one of the big reasons you don’t see as many “nice girls” (apart from the fact that girls do way less stuff like this just on average) is that our society has never really pushed the idea of a less desirable woman getting with a more desirable man because she’s sweet. It’s just not something the old-school “patriarchal” culture or the new “feminist” culture really push.
Also, everything the 2 people directly above me said.
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Feminism has utterly destroyed the family no matter how you slice it. If you want kids someone needs to be responsible for those kids and you can't have 2 people spending most their time out of the house and shoving all the care taking duties onto third parties. It creates completely broken families where kids are raised by strangers in packs and then fed poor quality food and then shoved into every after school activity out of guilt by the parents/trying to show how great their kids are. If you think working in the house was "oppressive" then you might want to ask the men who worked dangerous and dirty jobs how oppressed they felt. But those things don't get raised because no one gives a shit about who actually suffered what in history it's just a soap box to push your current politics (Be it sexual politics, racial politics or whatever shit). Most of recorded history is written by the elites and those are never an accurate representation of the common life style, common life style records of the past are very hard to find and those we do find don't show women being beaten and raped daily no matter what feminists try to tell you.
Women are ruining themselves in every way possible as if it's some sort of revenge fantasy by old cat ladies. Mutilating their bodies with various piercings and branding themselves with star wars logos, sleeping around in their prime child having years and then getting bitchy when it's too late and they can't find any one worth settling down with. And if you want to be blunt, by playing pretend as if they're men. Very few women can perform to the level men can, different priorities, time off for pregnancies and earlier retirement make it blindly obvious women simply aren't as effective as men are in the work place. So instead of dividing the labour of having a family, you just get men and pretend men wasting their lives grinding jobs for no purpose and no pleasure. No one is finding happiness in it where as I think most people would agree one of the greatest pleasures in life is having your family around you (and no cats don't count). In many ways it's an ironic punishment because the female power fantasy is two high tier men competing against each other for her affection, so she gets 2 chads on Tinder and thinks herself special for it, but then reality catches up to her trying to live in a fantasy world and there's no one left wanting her because she got her wish. The cherry on top is she now has the ego of a God and runs face first into the brick wall of reality making her butt hurt burn like a thousand suns.
You do get "nice girls", but that's more of the bog standard woman than a sub type. Spend any time around groups without many women and you will see the ugly chicks turn up going "tee hee, I love warhammer too!" or previously "I love comic books!" until comic book movies took off. Every time a girl says "I'm not like those OTHER girls" she's doing the same thing the nice guys do. They're pretending to be something they aren't for benefits and social positioning they wouldn't other wise get. High school girls are known for pulling all the same shit nice guys do but people don't consider the behaviour equal between men and women.
Edit : Forgot to mention. You DO see the less attractive woman getting a more attractive mate thing very often. Male attractiveness isn't just good looks and you often hear of men dating down or finding some woman they just can't resist even though she's lower class than him or less well off (neither matter much for women). Consider how many fairy tales push the prince charming marrying the pauper girl. Cinderella is exactly that happening. Women always try to date up (or at least equal) but most men will date down if the right woman comes along. A lot of average women end up with above average husbands.
Women are ruining themselves in every way possible as if it's some sort of revenge fantasy by old cat ladies. Mutilating their bodies with various piercings and branding themselves with star wars logos, sleeping around in their prime child having years and then getting bitchy when it's too late and they can't find any one worth settling down with. And if you want to be blunt, by playing pretend as if they're men. Very few women can perform to the level men can, different priorities, time off for pregnancies and earlier retirement make it blindly obvious women simply aren't as effective as men are in the work place. So instead of dividing the labour of having a family, you just get men and pretend men wasting their lives grinding jobs for no purpose and no pleasure. No one is finding happiness in it where as I think most people would agree one of the greatest pleasures in life is having your family around you (and no cats don't count). In many ways it's an ironic punishment because the female power fantasy is two high tier men competing against each other for her affection, so she gets 2 chads on Tinder and thinks herself special for it, but then reality catches up to her trying to live in a fantasy world and there's no one left wanting her because she got her wish. The cherry on top is she now has the ego of a God and runs face first into the brick wall of reality making her butt hurt burn like a thousand suns.
You do get "nice girls", but that's more of the bog standard woman than a sub type. Spend any time around groups without many women and you will see the ugly chicks turn up going "tee hee, I love warhammer too!" or previously "I love comic books!" until comic book movies took off. Every time a girl says "I'm not like those OTHER girls" she's doing the same thing the nice guys do. They're pretending to be something they aren't for benefits and social positioning they wouldn't other wise get. High school girls are known for pulling all the same shit nice guys do but people don't consider the behaviour equal between men and women.
Edit : Forgot to mention. You DO see the less attractive woman getting a more attractive mate thing very often. Male attractiveness isn't just good looks and you often hear of men dating down or finding some woman they just can't resist even though she's lower class than him or less well off (neither matter much for women). Consider how many fairy tales push the prince charming marrying the pauper girl. Cinderella is exactly that happening. Women always try to date up (or at least equal) but most men will date down if the right woman comes along. A lot of average women end up with above average husbands.
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Nice guys are bad, but the women who lead them on are just as bad. Now I get that the nice guy is a little socially clueless, so he doesn’t really understand what’s going on. But the girl? She knows what’s happening; she can fucking see it she isn’t blind. It really is unethical to have a... uh, relationship? Like this. She obviously knows that he just wants her and she uses that to pull money out of him.
Rebis
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Well I’m not going to comment on most of that because it’s not really on topic. But I will on some of it.
I do think the idea of the “different from the other girls” girl being equivalent to the “nice guy” has some merit. Both of them are trying to sell themselves as the alternative product to the “other guys/girls”, and like the “nice guy”, the “different girl” often has very limited real value outside of being “different” and is often only really surface level. The girl who brags about being so nerdy because she loves comics is often only as actually knowledgable about them as the “nice guy” is nice.
Cinderella is a story about pretty typical gender stereotypes; men are looking for beauty and good behavior while women are looking for wealth and protection. While Cinderella is scoring a wealthy prince, the Prince himself is gaining a woman who is both hot and really fucking good at housework. There are plenty of stories like that, because women eat that shit up. They love the idea of a rich and powerful man selecting them because of some skill or special attribute they have. That’s basically what 50 Shades is too.
What I was specifically referencing is the type of movie or show where a woman falls for a guy whose only good attribute is that he’s sweet. He has none of the traditionally desirable attributes a woman would look for. Now can anybody really name a story where a woman who is below average in attractiveness and pretty much every other trait scores a man who is both competent and good-looking? I doubt it, because that doesn’t appeal to anyone.
Overall, I just believe that this cultural shift from “traditional” to “feminist” has been way harder on men than on women, by design. It seems like there’s a large contingent of young men, be they “nice guys”, incels, or whatever that feel lost and confused about how to express their sexuality and run their life. It doesn’t serve as an excuse for shitty behavior, but I do think the way culture and media has changed does just as much to make guys like this as anything else.
Also sometimes people are just assholes. That’s always a golden rule to remember.
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Twilight.
Bella is bland and average looking. She has no personality and has no prospects in life. She has a rich chad vampire for the "safe" option and a muscle hunk dangerous bad boy werewolf option. Almost all female power fantasies are about average and bland women getting the chads. Other wise the women end up getting jealous and can't self insert into them. One of the core concepts of the female power fantasy is the blandness of the main character. The most special one is Katniss and she doesn't really do shit herself.
Bella is bland and average looking. She has no personality and has no prospects in life. She has a rich chad vampire for the "safe" option and a muscle hunk dangerous bad boy werewolf option. Almost all female power fantasies are about average and bland women getting the chads. Other wise the women end up getting jealous and can't self insert into them. One of the core concepts of the female power fantasy is the blandness of the main character. The most special one is Katniss and she doesn't really do shit herself.