Plagued Nice Guys

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You don' t talk or show interest in women and then wonder why you' re single? Are they supposed to throw themselves at you as soon as you look at them? Those guys not seem to know that women a) can' t read thoughts and b) want to get to know someone before the dating starts. If you just don' t talk because you' re shy, how tf are people supposed to get to know you?
 
You don' t talk or show interest in women and then wonder why you' re single? Are they supposed to throw themselves at you as soon as you look at them?

According to Elliott Rodger, yes. He was so terrified of women that he couldn't even speak to them--yet was furious that they ignored him. He couldn't understand that the BMW and all the Hugo Boss shirts in the world couldn't make up for the fact that he was the silent, awkward weirdo in the corner.

He had no concept of how other people (of either sex) perceived him, and why they ignored him, while at the same time he expected others (especially women) to know what he wanted without being told, and willingly provide it.

And while most self-proclaimed Nice Guys aren't nearly so exceptional as ER was, there is some similar thinking at work here. These shy Nice Guys still expect women to notice them, somehow pick up on their interest, make the first approach, and patiently do the work of bringing the shy Nice Guy out of his shell. And when women don't perform this amazing feat of mind-reading and act on it, they're the ones who are wrong, selfish, and deserving of the Nice Guy's anger and contempt.

Those guys not seem to know that women a) can' t read thoughts and b) want to get to know someone before the dating starts. If you just don' t talk because you' re shy, how tf are people supposed to get to know you?

I see a lot of narcissistic traits among self-proclaimed Nice Guys, and the expectation that women should read their minds and provide the kind of response they want without the Nice Guy having to take any risks or make any effort is typical. Nice Guys are so self-absorbed and caught up in their own desires and fantasies that they can't fully grasp that women have their own thoughts, perceptions, desires, etc. that not only don't revolve around them, but usually don't even involve the Nice Guy at all.

The Nice Guy has a script in his head of how interactions with women should play out--only to end up wondering why women won't follow the fucking script like they're supposd to, and getting angry when they don't. It doesn't occur to him that the script only exists in his own head, that nobody else is running their life according to it, and that nobody is obligated to.

The basic Nice Guy script is, "I'm attracted to you, so therefore you have to give me a chance, and if you don't you're cruel and unfair." The woman's feelings of attraction (or lack of them) and right of refusal aren't even written into that script, because in the Nice Guy's mind what he wants is important and she wants is irrelevant. She can always be made to overcome her disinterest and fall in love with him, and if she doesn't she's the one who is wrong, and who is to blame--never the Nice Guy. Because he's a nice guy.

And in this case, the script is, "Attractive woman notices the shy guy in the corner, intuitively recognizes what a deep and sensitive soul he really is, and chooses him over the asshole/bad boy/Chad." In this fairy tale, it's the princess who rescues the Nice Guy from the locked tower room of his own insecurity and social ineptitude; all he has to do is passively wait, and she will save him.

It's just as shitty a fairy tale as the one fat, dumpy, and/or slovenly women tell themselves about handsome men recognizing their "inner beauty" and choosing them over some shallow, looks-obsessed skinny bitch. The only difference is that the Nice Guys cry over how they never get laid while the Inner Beauties cry over how they always end up pump-and-dumped. Moral: don't base your life on a goddamned fairy tale (and yes, rom-coms count as fairy tales).
 
The basic Nice Guy script is, "I'm attracted to you, so therefore you have to give me a chance, and if you don't you're cruel and unfair." The woman's feelings of attraction (or lack of them) and right of refusal aren't even written into that script, because in the Nice Guy's mind what he wants is important and she wants is irrelevant. She can always be made to overcome her disinterest and fall in love with him, and if she doesn't she's the one who is wrong, and who is to blame--never the Nice Guy. Because he's a nice guy.

And in this case, the script is, "Attractive woman notices the shy guy in the corner, intuitively recognizes what a deep and sensitive soul he really is, and chooses him over the asshole/bad boy/Chad." In this fairy tale, it's the princess who rescues the Nice Guy from the locked tower room of his own insecurity and social ineptitude; all he has to do is passively wait, and she will save him.
This is basically how every anime ever goes, so that explains it.
 
Imagine being so utterly autistic and insensitive that you try to use the 'My parents always told me to buy used' line on a sexual assault victim. Like, really dude?
It doubles as implying that all women are like commodities to be owned, and that a woman who hasn't saved her virginity for you is inherently devalued. Progress!
 
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I' ve been seeing this pic on social media A LOT and all I could think of was “what kind of nice guy propaganda is this“.
They' d never chose the girl on the left, but want to be accepted and loved by the girl on the right.
also, notice how the big guy looks like the average reddit neckbeard?
 
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I' ve been seeing this pic on social media A LOT and all I could think of was “what kind of nice guy propaganda is this“.
They' d never chose the girl on the left, but want to be accepted and loved by the girl on the right.
also, notice how the big guy looks like the average reddit neckbeard?
Their hypocrisy is ridiculous. They all think they deserve 10's when they're barely 2's and don't have anything to offer. Also, love how the guy with the thin chick is wearing a fedora.
 
The original picture was only the one with the fat girl, then someone made a parody one to highlight the hipocrisy because a fat fedorian with a slim girl wouldn't be popular among HAES feminists, but maybe now the picture has been repurposed.
 
Found this one off some click bait article, but it gave me a good laugh at just how awful this person is.

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I hope after he dropped the "buy used" line, she decked him as hard as she could. No jury in the land would convict. Also, she sounds like she was conditioned to be "nice", not in the Nice Guy sense, but in the "always put other's needs ahead of your own" sense. He forced his way into her residence, on more than one occasion it sounds like. That's when you stop being nice and tell the creepy bastard to fuck off forever, in those words.
According to Elliott Rodger, yes. He was so terrified of women that he couldn't even speak to them--yet was furious that they ignored him. He couldn't understand that the BMW and all the Hugo Boss shirts in the world couldn't make up for the fact that he was the silent, awkward weirdo in the corner.

He had no concept of how other people (of either sex) perceived him, and why they ignored him, while at the same time he expected others (especially women) to know what he wanted without being told, and willingly provide it.

And while most self-proclaimed Nice Guys aren't nearly so exceptional as ER was, there is some similar thinking at work here. These shy Nice Guys still expect women to notice them, somehow pick up on their interest, make the first approach, and patiently do the work of bringing the shy Nice Guy out of his shell. And when women don't perform this amazing feat of mind-reading and act on it, they're the ones who are wrong, selfish, and deserving of the Nice Guy's anger and contempt.



I see a lot of narcissistic traits among self-proclaimed Nice Guys, and the expectation that women should read their minds and provide the kind of response they want without the Nice Guy having to take any risks or make any effort is typical. Nice Guys are so self-absorbed and caught up in their own desires and fantasies that they can't fully grasp that women have their own thoughts, perceptions, desires, etc. that not only don't revolve around them, but usually don't even involve the Nice Guy at all.

The Nice Guy has a script in his head of how interactions with women should play out--only to end up wondering why women won't follow the fucking script like they're supposd to, and getting angry when they don't. It doesn't occur to him that the script only exists in his own head, that nobody else is running their life according to it, and that nobody is obligated to.

The basic Nice Guy script is, "I'm attracted to you, so therefore you have to give me a chance, and if you don't you're cruel and unfair." The woman's feelings of attraction (or lack of them) and right of refusal aren't even written into that script, because in the Nice Guy's mind what he wants is important and she wants is irrelevant. She can always be made to overcome her disinterest and fall in love with him, and if she doesn't she's the one who is wrong, and who is to blame--never the Nice Guy. Because he's a nice guy.

And in this case, the script is, "Attractive woman notices the shy guy in the corner, intuitively recognizes what a deep and sensitive soul he really is, and chooses him over the asshole/bad boy/Chad." In this fairy tale, it's the princess who rescues the Nice Guy from the locked tower room of his own insecurity and social ineptitude; all he has to do is passively wait, and she will save him.

It's just as shitty a fairy tale as the one fat, dumpy, and/or slovenly women tell themselves about handsome men recognizing their "inner beauty" and choosing them over some shallow, looks-obsessed skinny bitch. The only difference is that the Nice Guys cry over how they never get laid while the Inner Beauties cry over how they always end up pump-and-dumped. Moral: don't base your life on a goddamned fairy tale (and yes, rom-coms count as fairy tales).
I had never considered narcissism as the driving force behind Nice Guys, but now that I think about it, that description fits perfectly. And it's not just Nice Guys. The MRA/PUA/whatever they're calling themselves now guys are the same. All of them are operating from the belief that they're so special they are owed sex from a pretty girl without any effort on the guy's part, and with no consideration to the woman's wishes. Narcs never consider the idea that they might be the problem. In fact, research shows that people with narcissistic traits lack the capacity for the kind of introspection that leads to self-improvement. That's why it is futile to expect a narc to change. They can't, except with massive intervention, and most are resistant to the idea there's anything wrong with them. The sense of entitlement Nice Guys display is a classic symptom of NPD. Narcs can be very dangerous, but understanding how they think makes it rather easy to deflect them and get them to leave you alone, which is the only safe way of dealing with someone like that. Of course, this isn't possible if the narc in question is a parent or someone in authority over you, but knowledge of how they operate is still useful to handle them and not get driven to suicide.

As for not basing your life on fairy-tales, the other thing we need to divest people of is the idea that life is fair. If you weigh 280 lbs, are of average height and never bathe, you're not getting the model unless you are really rich. If you're like the rest of us, you're gonna have to either settle for someone similar to you, or put the effort into changing.
 
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