Plagued Nice Guys

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I almost feel sorry for most of these guys since their use of their social skills in dating the opposite sex is equivalent to picking the petals of a daisy with a back-hoe.

I don't.

Because, I've never dated in my life, and even I know that unsolicited pics of your genitals and wishing DEATH upon someone who doesn't feel like talking to you are just NOT done.... there's not a valid excuse in the book for not getting that except that they're psychologically messed up well beyond simple social anxiety.
 
Eh, I'm not so sure, seems to me like it's too convenient to just blame "media" for a subset of people who are deeply flawed to begin with.

I think the dysfunction happens first, with the person in question picking and choosing media that reinforces/comforts that broken worldview second. I don't believe that exposing a person to highly idealized media images can make them unquestioningly believe that image over reality if they didn't already have a tenuous grip on it to start with.

I mean, I feel very confident that most of us here can realize the plots of romantic comedies and harem animes for the fun little fantasies they are, completely unworkable in real life. But where you or I, after the credits roll, can say "well, that was fun, too bad (or fortunately?) life isn't like that" the Nice Guys instead think "Women should watch this stuff so they can LEARN how to act! I'm doing MY part! I'm the hapless guy fawning over her from the shadows, just like you're supposed to, and she STILL doesn't come to me!"

Media doesn't create these people, it just lets them indulge in their bitterness.

To me, that's like blaming "violent" video games for creating mall/movie theatre/school shooters by teaching them it's okay to blow away people for fun, when I think at this point it's pretty obvious to everyone except moralists and maybe Jack Thompson that no such link exists. They REALLY tried to find one in the 90's, believe me, and not just the parents either, there was an honest belief in academia at the time that generation X was, if not one itself, going to certainly give birth to a new class of "superpredatory" criminal..

Why?

Because, well, media was so darn violent! Just look at these TV shows! And video games!! And comics!! It was only natural the generation raised on it would turn every main street in the country into Mad Max once the current generation got too old and feeble to reign them in!

The unsaid assumption, of course, is that everyone, save a select few, are dumb sheep who'll do whatever the cool guy on TV does without thinking about it.... if he buys a Pepsi, so will you, he drives a Toyota, so will you! And if he shoots that woman who reject him, so will you!

Yeah...

It doesn't matter what you wave in front of me, be it boobs or something else, I don't drink Pepsi because I don't like the taste, I don't drive a Corolla because I think they look like ass and I'm not going to shoot a woman who won't fuck me because I'm not a psychopath.

Media is a powerful force, but, it can't turn people into something they didn't want to be in the first place.

There are a few clueless types who have genuine social awkwardness and DO look to cartoons and movies for dating advice, but they eventually come to realize that stalking a woman to show their affection is, well, creepy. And they usually realize at some point that they were foolish for giving that much credulity to media-depicted romance, whereas the Nice Guy continues to sulk and wonder why women are too stupid to follow the script.
 
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Well put. I previously said that young men should have to attend a seminar in high school about how women are autonomous beings, and it doesn't make them a bitch if they don't sleep with you, but a one time thing won't work. It should be an ongoing thing, like a life skills class. I would consider treating women as equals to be an important life skill.
 
I think that it is evolution that made a lot of men like this
And that it is no excuse whatsoever for being a dick since they can change if they try
 
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Does it count as Nice Guy if its girl on guy or guy on guy instead? Because if so I have a mind to dig into the bay12 forums life advice section which had a ton of unconventional nice girl/gay bitching awhile back.

Granted this is assuming I can even find the postsposts.
 
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And I shall dub these hat tippers "Beta Male Bill".
All the opposing attributes of Chad Thundercock.
 
Does it count as Nice Guy if its girl on guy or guy on guy instead? Because if so I have a mind to dig into the bay12 forums life advice section which had a ton of unconventional nice girl/gay bitching awhile back.

Granted this is assuming I can even find the postsposts.

As someone who has cruised Grindr for strange once or twice, there absolutely are gay/bi Nice Guys. It's even worse in some ways because they assume all gays are horny all the time so there's no reason to turn them down for sex. He might be a grossly overweight, greasy man in his 40s who dresses like a hobo and lives in squalor, but a dick is a dick, right? Don't be so stuck up!
 
If there is an entire gender that won't fuck you because you're "nice" to them, then why be nice to them?

Seriously though, often these are just retards who socially develop slower than most. Once the get their first LTR, break up and rebound a bit, they come to understand what dating really is and grow out of this shit.
 
Seriously though, often these are just retards who socially develop slower than most. Once the get their first LTR, break up and rebound a bit, they come to understand what dating really is and grow out of this shit.

I've known a couple of these. They were all "they're all whores and cunts" and bla bla bla until they got laid and then reverted back to being normal. And another who didn't and turned into such a piece of shit nobody could stand him.
 
Can they not get laid because they are insufferable cunts, or are they insufferable cunts because they can't get laid?
Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

They obsess over getting some china and let's be honest here in these guy's eyes that's the only thing a woman is good for. Well maybe that and acting like a surrogate mommy and cooking and cleaning for them.

Each one of them is holding out for the head cheerleader, the really hot girl, the blonde with the perfect body that will realize their inner niceness and because of it all spread her legs for them and be their love slave forever. It of course never happens because this is real life and that's the plot of just about every teen movie out there.

And even if one of them finds a nice girl who appreciates their niceness and is willing to sleep with them they're still not satisfied because they're still swinging for the bleachers. They will never get that perfect 10. Most people in the world won't ever get that perfect woman, or man if that's your preference.

So they get sad, old and bitter not necessarily in that order and wind up bitching on internet sites with others about how evil women are and how terrible it is that they can't get laid.
 
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