Nintendo Switch 2 - For the Soytendo consoomers to speculate about the successor to the Switch, recently announced for 2025.

[whatever I feel like]

When I was a kid my brother asked for SMRPG as a birthday gift and we ended up getting it. It was only decades later that I realized what my dad must have went through to get the game. It came out one week before his birthday and cost like 80 or 90 bucks at release since it had special chips in it, a fact that was not lost on my penny-pinching father. Parents will overpay for gifts for Christmas/birthdays. They just will. Whether thats a PS5 or Switch 2 (or even Xbox if they're out of touch and really fuck up,) that might come down to price were there actually a cheap one.

Edit: In regards to Odyssey, it was also the big holiday title for the Switch's first year. It clearly payed its own way and then some.

 

[Jarch6]

THERE'S NO FUCKING COMPETITION.

iPad, doubles as a Roblox machine and “huggy wuggy sprunki pomni gegagedigedago pregnant elsa finger family #FNAF #Minecraft #Roblox” watcher.

If you think the majority of parents know what V-Bucks are or how to buy them,

Even gigaboomer geriatrics know how to input their credit card info. As to knowing what V-bucks are, the kid will just say “I need money for Fortnite!” and that will suffice for an explanation.

 

[Never Scored]

If you think the majority of parents know what V-Bucks are or how to buy them, I have a bridge to sell you. Heck, I don't even know what they are.

I only know what Minecoins are because I have kids. They tell their parents what these things are. Trust me.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

They do buy some of those things. You faggots underestimate how much parents spend on Christmas. You underestimate how much parents love watching their young children open Christmas presents.

Edit: Echoing @Jarch6

If we are going by this, then they'll mostly have to compete with Apple, which is a more known brand and has largely become the defacto Boomer expensive gift. I know as I had grandparents that were the buy the newest gadget type that eventually just went full Apple. iPad is more recognizable than anything Nintendo's got, there is a new one every year, and it has a stranglehold on Gen Alpha making it an easy gift.

This isn't even a new phenomenon either, with the exception Switch one, handheld consoles have been getting slaughtered by the thing - see 3DS and Vita, both of which were sequels to some of the most successful consoles.

I wonder how much money it made compared to NSBU Deluxe, which sold less copies, but was a port of a game that used recycled assets sold for the same retail price.

According to google, we are looking at 18 million for NSBU vs 29 million for Odyssey. For a 3D Mario, Odyssey sold a surprising amount.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Support studios help out on nearly all games now and Nintendo has always heavily relied on behind the scenes outsourcing not just for full games but also for grunt-work stuff.

My suspicion is that either the next Mario is being made as a splitoff from the main group in Tokyo (more like the DK team split off) OR that NST is the lead team with Japanese groups acting as support and advisors.

I'll give you some heart medication that I feel like the lack of leaks means that Tokyo being the team is more likely.

I hope you're right.

They fooled me with BOTW, but I didn't touch TOTK.

Same, though I was interested in TOTK, hoping it'd fix some problems, but it arguably made things worse.

Hard fucking disagree. Real parents don't want to give kids fucking gift cards for their birthday or Christmas. They'd sooner buy them something they might not want but would enjoy than bullshit e-bucks for them to flush down the toilet on cosmetics in a video game. I swear you guys have no grasp on what it's like to have children. Parents. Do. Not. Like. Gift cards. Gift cards are very much an aunt/uncle/grandparent thing. Parents would sooner give their kids raw cash than give gift cards.

It's almost mind numbingly autistic how hell-bent you people are in asserting that parents don't buy things just because.

What's more likely, everyone else being autistic or your spoiled upbringing coloring your perspective? My parents definitely couldn't drop that kinda money on a whim for something I didn't even ask for.

Words cannot quantify my hatred of treehouse

Mine can but would be illegal.

some of them are still trying to claim Samus is trans.

There were some liberal lunatics working on MP4, so we're not out of the woods yet.

 

[Fox Girl Enjoyer]

They do buy some of those things. You faggots underestimate how much parents spend on Christmas. You underestimate how much parents love watching their young children open Christmas presents. You all grotesquely overestimate that parents will give a fuck about V Bucks and Robux. Parents will happily ask their kids if they want a Switch 2 and when they scream "yeah, sure". Bam. Switch 2. Regardless of whether there's games on it or not. Kids are dumb. Kids don't care about these things and they're not going to miss a chance at an expensive present even if it's not at the top of their lists. You underestimate how trusted of a name Nintendo is. You underestimate how much parents will sometimes just grab things. There's an entire section of the video game industry that relies on dumb ignorant parents blind buying crap and it's been a thing for decades. Parents like the real, physical world. They don't want their children to engage in e-bux cosmetic online bullshit regardless of whether it's what their kids want or not.

This is a bit delusional. Kids don't care much about Nintendo nowadays. Talks to any parents and they are more likely to care about Minecraft than anything Nintendo related. You're basically saying "I hope Millennial parents with kids will spend 450 bucks to buy from a brand they grew up with that their kid don't care for." Also, if a parent has a choice between a Switch 1 or 2, they are getting the 1; if they have a Switch 1, it becomes "you already have a Switch". There are plenty of reasons parents will just avoid the Switch 2 not least being its 450 bucks and grocery bills are through the roof.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

iPad, doubles as a Roblox machine and “huggy wuggy sprunki pomni gegagedigedago pregnant elsa finger family #FNAF #Minecraft #Roblox” watcher.

If we are going by this, then they'll mostly have to compete with Apple, which is a more known brand and has largely become the defacto Boomer expensive gift.

I don't consider an iPad in the same demographic from a marketing perspective necessarily, but I can see totally see that being a popular Christmas item, potentially #1.

Also, fuck the Newest Gadget people. I know a few people like that. My friend upgrades his Iphone every year. I call him a massive fucking faggot for it ever year. My other friend wants one of those smart fridges and to make his whole home a wireless so he can feel like Tony Stark. I told him to enjoy not being able to open his fridge in a power outage and was met with "Well you can't open your fridge in a power outage anyway!". My temptation to change his WiFi password and turn off Bluetooth networks to brick every essential appliance in his home right down to his fucking Roomba increases every time I visit him.

As to knowing what V-bucks are, the kid will just say “I need money for Fortnite!” and that will suffice for an explanation

I only know what Minecoins are because I have kids. They tell their parents what these things are. Trust me.

I understand this, but gift cards are usually small and are gifts that are typically outsourced to family members. Maybe Mom and Dad will throw a $20 gift card in the pile, but it's more likely they tell Aunt and Uncle to snag one or have Grandma and Grandpa do it. Parents want to watch their young children open real presents. I'm also saying no parent is going to hand their kids $200 in Robux. And if they are, they should be lynched and have CPS called.

There are plenty of reasons parents will just avoid the Switch 2 not least being its 450 bucks and grocery bills are through the roof.

Pfft. We'll see on the holidays then. It's going to do just fine come the holiday season.

What's more likely, everyone else being autistic or your spoiled upbringing coloring your perspective? My parents definitely couldn't drop that kinda money on a whim for something I didn't even ask for.

First off, it's KiwiFarms. The likelihood of everyone else being autistic is higher than if I were standing in a special ed classroom.

Second, kek you were poor.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

First off, it's KiwiFarms. The likelihood of everyone else being autistic is higher than if I were standing in a special ed classroom.

True enough.

Second, kek you were poor.

Your parents were bad with money, most people didn't have more than one console, let alone every one of them.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Since the mid 90s, Nintendo has a weird autistic tendency to have just one Mario, just one Mario Kart, etc. per console cycle. Galaxy 2 was an exception.

It would be interesting to see the next Mario build on the Bowser’s fury model but that’s several years old at this point.

Well, Mario Kart sure, that's a once-per-generation game, but Super Mario World got a sequel as Yoshi's Island...yeah it was a very different game and spawned a whole spinoff but it was a sequel and might've been a real Mario game at one point in time. Super Mario 64 didn't get a sequel but there was the Super Mario 64 2 announcement. Super Mario Sunshine I imagine a sequel was never on the table due to the GameCube's lackluster sales...and then the Wii U also was a poorly performing console. The Nintendo Switch did great by Nintendo console standards but Super Mario Odyssey was it (well I guess there was Super Mario Bros. Wonder toward the very end but that was really just a proper sequel to however many times New Super Mario Bros. was rehashed).

THERE'S NO FUCKING COMPETITION.

iPads, iPhones, and other similar devices absolutely are competition and basically destroyed the dedicated handheld market, and caused Nintendo to effectively to discontinue the handheld line and replace it with a console that can be played portably. And at an extremely high price point, something like a Steam Deck or some other handheld PC that has a wider market becomes competition as well.

I thought Nintendo was the BASED company that doesn't shove degeneracy into games? Not only they do this shit, but they do it in a game for children.

The "Nintendo would NEVER do X" meme has been around for years and they'll do it anyway, just later than anyone else. From making a disc-based console over twenty years ago to DLC and paid online, they'll copy any cancerous trend. Nintendo fans can cope and seethe about it but it's practically a proven fact at this point. Get ready to see PokéBux to a game near you.

 

[Jarch6]

iPads, iPhones, and other similar devices absolutely are competition and basically destroyed the dedicated handheld market, and caused Nintendo to effectively to discontinue the handheld line and replace it with a console that can be played portably. And at an extremely high price point, something like a Steam Deck or some other handheld PC that has a wider market becomes competition as well.

iPhones, iPads, etc. are many orders of magnitude greater competition to Nintendo than the 'eck. The 'eck (and other PC handhelds) only really appeal to a niche "hardcore" audience whereas the aforementioned are a ubiquitous facet of modernity.

Pfft. We'll see on the holidays then. It's going to do just fine come the holiday season.

I've stated before that anyone who thinks the Switch 2 will be a failure by any reasonable metric (from Nintendo's perspective) is coping out of their minds. Even the aforementioned mobile gaming issue is only really a long term existential threat. By contrast, PlayStation and Xbox have much greater problems coming up in the near future.

 

[GeorgeFloydFentanylStash]

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They trooned out Lubba - a character explicitly referred to as male in the original release.


The troons are acting exactly how you'd expect:
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And just like Vivian in TTYD remake, they're gaslighting us AGAIN. "T-T-T-THEY'RE JUST CORRECTING A MISTRANSLATION, GOIS! LUBBA WAS REFERRED TO AS FEMALE IN OTHER LOCALIZATIONS!"

Fuck you Treehouse.

Good thing I wouldn’t buy these and would just rather pirate them or download the originals.

 

[Martys_not_smarty]

They just see new Nintendo and go "here kids! Big expensive Christmas present!" regardless of whether the kids ask or actually want it. They'll still smile and play with it every now and again anyway.

You know what's funny is that boomer mentality is Nintendo's biggest asset yet they loathe it. Back in the day they would have training videos and memos about product labeling and they were ANAL about how any video game console was "the nintendo" regardless of it being a Genesis or Playstation etc but because Sally Soccermom didn't know any better the name Nintendo is the zeitgeist of all video games to anyone that's a millenial or older. EDIT I had to look it up just to remember but that the don't call it A NINTENDO was from like fuckin' 1990 and I also found an uber anal memo sent out about how retailers should write out and say what the Gamecube was, fucking faggots made it read like a Ray Jay Johnson bit (you can call me ray, and you can call me jay).

 

[Fox Girl Enjoyer]

I've stated before that anyone who thinks the Switch 2 will be a failure by any reasonable metric (from Nintendo's perspective) is coping out of their minds. Even the aforementioned mobile gaming issue is only really a long term existential threat. By contrast, PlayStation and Xbox have much greater problems coming up in the near future.

The Playstation 3 is considered a failure and it sold 80 million units. The thing is Nintendo has had some absolute duds in their history. But keep in mind even during the Wii U days, Nintendo sold roughly 80-85 million with both systems combined. If Switch 2 sells around those levels than thats just as bad as Switch is their only device now.

Also, lets be real, Sony is doing fine. This last quarter, Nintendo made 572 billion yen. Sony made 936 billion yen. Playstation is just a "default" console. Everyone knows that it will get most of the games on it so people buy it. The only difference is they sell fewer titles and get more of their money from live service games (which is also why Sony was obsessing over them). Sony can move to PC and make more money because they know that people aren't going to get a Playstation just for God of War so why not make some extra profit elsewhere. A big problem Nintendo has is they rely entirely on legacy IPs. Mario just turned 40 and so will Zelda next year. These are old brands and they aren't going to excite kids or even young adults in the same way. Nintendo's core demographic is getting older so they are relying more and more on older millennials to buy consoles. Sure, maybe as parents they can get their kids into Mario, but its going to be a hard sell at $450 bucks. Nintendo is going to have a real "aging out" problem but people at the company are obsessed with Mario and think that he can get people to buy in. The truth is the only Nintendo IPs that can really move consoles on their own are Zelda and maybe Smash Bros. Every console that launched with Zelda has been a success but Mario has a real shaky track record which is probably because he's too much of a "brand" and not a real drawl on his own.

 

[whatever I feel like]

but there was the Super Mario 64 2 announcement

I'm not sure what you're remembering but this never happened.

 

[Jarch6]

The Playstation 3 is considered a failure

By who? Console-war fags? I seriously doubt, after the initial missteps with the system, that they were hurting when the 7th generation was all said and done (especially given that they managed to outsell the Xbox 360 in the tail end of the system’s life, the same Xbox which was Microsoft’s best showing ever btw).

Sony made 936 billion yen.

Is that all of Sony or just PlayStation?

Playstation is just a "default" console.

I agree, the problems they have is offering an enticing reason to jump from the PS4 to the 5 (Nintendo has the same issue with the Switch to the S|2) If they hadn’t wasted a bunch of money on live-service shovelware like Concord and instead just made more of their bread-and-butter third-person over-the-shoulder “cinematic” action-adventure sloppa that wouldn’t have been the case.

 

[Fox Girl Enjoyer]

By who? Console-war fags? I seriously doubt, after the initial missteps with the system, that they were hurting when the 7th generation was all said and done (especially given that they managed to outsell the Xbox 360 in the tail end of the system’s life, the same Xbox which was Microsoft’s best showing ever btw).

That initial misstep cost the company billions as they had to constantly cut the price and struggled against XBox for a lot of the generation, and Sony had far more global reach than Microsoft did. Its also the worst selling Playstation console by a pretty good amount. The PS5 will likely pass it this year. Not to mention it followed up the PS1 and PS2 that both broke 100 million. Maybe you can say it wasn't a failure but you can't say it was good either.

Is that all of Sony or just PlayStation?

Its their Game and Network Services revenue. Software by itself is 540 billion yen.

I agree, the problems they have is offering an enticing reason to jump from the PS4 to the 5 (Nintendo has the same issue with the Switch to the S|2) If they hadn’t wasted a bunch of money on live-service shovelware like Concord and instead just made more of their bread-and-butter third-person over-the-shoulder “cinematic” action-adventure sloppa that wouldn’t have been the case.

There hasn't been that much of an issue getting people in. The PS5 tracks pretty close to the PS4 in lifetime sales. Again, they are a default so people will always buy in. The bigger risk for them is overshooting the market with price. Nintendo doesn't have that luxury because their games sell the hardware, and if no one is interested in Nintendo IPs, they wont buy. Basically, Sony has the luxury of making a Concord and being fine where Nintendo doesn't.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I'm not sure what you're remembering but this never happened.

If you crack open a Nintendo Power magazine from late 1997 or early 1998 it was definitely listed with the upcoming games. Mario Wiki quotes it from being in a Miyamoto interview (the "Ask Miyamoto" section).

We’re in the middle of preparing Mario 64-2 for release on the 64DD. I’d like to take advantage of the 64DD’s ability to store information. As of now, Luigi’s also a full part of the game, but we haven’t started thinking about 2-player gameplay with Mario and Luigi yet. We’ll tackle that once we’ve got the system ironed out—we’ve figured out the processing power issues, so we could do it if we tried. How many Luigi fans do you suppose there are? (Editing department replies: “Quite a lot.”) If Luigi’s really that popular, maybe I’ll made a green box for Mario 64-2. (laughs)

The only caveat of this is if you take the opinion of "Miyamoto never tells the truth" but that also means admitting that The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Master Quest isn't Ura Zelda but rather Ura Zelda with all the 64DD-specific features ripped out.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

I am surprised that Kirby Air Riders is 70 bucks.

Maybe I shouldn't be, because it's modern greed-filled Nintendo, but I thought for sure that this game would get the Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker treatment and be sold for 40 or 50 instead of 70. It looks more interesting than Mario Kart World, and thank god the entire game is not poisoned with open world garbage, but I look at this, and I look at Bananza, despite my personal dislike of Pauline and etc-- Bananza justifies that 70 much much more than Air Riders does. So much more content there.

I know, 70 is the new standard for the flasgship mascot/AAA releases, but Kirby Air Ride, not even a new flagship Kirby game, just a sequel to a spin-off, is 70. Doesn't seem even close to fair or justified. The nostalgia-blind Nintendo manchildren will still buy it of course, but come on, is every single game that has a Mario or Link or Inkling or whatever on it gonna be 70 bucks automatically? Fuck off with that shit. Not giving me any more reasons to buy as someone who isn't anywhere near Nintendo-pilled as it is.

Do you seriously think Nintendo was ever NOT greedy as fuck?

If so, are you retarded?

 

[whatever I feel like]

If you crack open a Nintendo Power magazine from late 1997 or early 1998 it was definitely listed with the upcoming games. Mario Wiki quotes it from being in a Miyamoto interview (the "Ask Miyamoto" section).



The only caveat of this is if you take the opinion of "Miyamoto never tells the truth" but that also means admitting that The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Master Quest isn't Ura Zelda but rather Ura Zelda with all the 64DD-specific features ripped out.

Interesting but I suspect it never entered full production. 2 player mode with Luigi was part of earlier builds of SM64 but taken out because of the memory issues described in that issue. The DD would have fixed them and it would have been easy enough to have worked that out on DD hardware with SM64 assets after release, bear in mind that the DD was feature complete by the latest one year after the base Nintendo 64 launched, lacking only an acceptably large playerbase to sell it to and slate of titles to put on it.

The 64DD content in the Gigaleak was practically nonexistent, seemingly because the Pokemon faggot who pulled it off didn't think to download DD items, it would be quite funny if that motherfucker left Mario 64 2 behind while being extra sure to record all of the various Pokemon cry data and other such bullshit.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Interesting but I suspect it never entered full production. 2 player mode with Luigi was part of earlier builds of SM64 but taken out because of the memory issues described in that issue. The DD would have fixed them and it would have been easy enough to have worked that out on DD hardware with SM64 assets after release, bear in mind that the DD was feature complete by the latest one year after the base Nintendo 64 launched, lacking only an acceptably large playerbase to sell it to and slate of titles to put on it.

The 64DD content in the Gigaleak was practically nonexistent, seemingly because the Pokemon faggot who pulled it off didn't think to download DD items, it would be quite funny if that motherfucker left Mario 64 2 behind while being extra sure to record all of the various Pokemon cry data and other such bullshit.

IIRC what was leaked to the Internet and how much was taken aren't equal numbers, I don't know if they're still sitting on that or that doesn't exist anymore.

The lack of 64DD stuff is disappointing but I do believe the rumors that there's not much of EarthBound 64 beyond the first chapter. Still, there's a lot in screenshots that have no GBA equivalent.

I believe the official narrative is that "Super Mario 64 2" and "Super Mario 128" are used interchangeably and that most of it was incorporated into other games. I can also fully believe that courses that later used in Super Mario Sunshine and Super Mario Galaxy were originally drawn up for the sequel to Super Mario 64 (if not scrapped SM64 courses altogether).