Nintendo Switch 2 - For the Soytendo consoomers to speculate about the successor to the Switch, recently announced for 2025.

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Incecticyder said:
Game Freak was always put together with string. They just had a better coat of paint before.
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I’ll grant that even the golden era of Pokémon was nonetheless far from being artistically/technically impressive (alongside still being rather derivative). But ~after black and white it’s quite clear they started phoning it in to an egregious degree.

Incecticyder said:
NOT ALL SPINNOFFS! There were a lot of them. You could ignore the bad ones. They are fewer in number now. Again, rose tinted glasses.
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Nah, even the lesser liked spin-offs (Rumble or Channel come to mind) of that era are leagues better than the average Pokémon mobile game released today.

Fag Alert Major Fag Alert said:
Man, he’s making that weird sexual ai art clickbait porn again…..
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Doesn’t come across as sexual to me, I think that’s just how all AI sloppa look.
 
Fox Girl Enjoyer said:
I didn't expect fucking horseshoe theory in my Bing Bing Wahoo thread.
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Not exactly horseshoe. Just an acknowledgement that the Nintendo fanboys and haters are the same people sperging about everything. No one complains about everything than the Nintendo fanbase. They complained about Wind Waker that they wanted a realistic Zelda, got it with TP and then they complained again that they liked Wind Waker more. The fanboys will screech about everything in a game, Nintendo will do things differently next time and THE EXACT SAME FANS WILL SAY THE FIRST THING WAS THE BEST EVAAARR!

And there are people who argue that the games got worse in terms of polish or balance. LOL! Psychic was king in Gen 1, physical and special attackers were mangled in Gens 2 and 3, Gens 4 and 5 had Dragons or Bust, Gens 6 and 7 were a bit handholding and Gens 8 and 9 had Dexit.

And the less said about the glitches, the better. Gen 1 even let you code by accident! That is how you get MissingNo!

The Pokemon games were never really polished but they were fun.

Seriously, when was it the last time you played a Pokemon game?

Fag Alert Major Fag Alert said:
Funny thing they used one of the mythical creatures from Greece.

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Who do you think this pokemon was based on?
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There are also the ones based on the Hydra. Greece and Italy are a treasure trove of creatures.



Jarch6 said:
I’ll grant that even the golden era of Pokémon was nonetheless far from being artistically/technically impressive (alongside still being rather derivative). But ~after black and white it’s quite clear they started phoning it in to an egregious degree.
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Definitely in X and Y, USUM and in BDSP. ESPECIALLY THE LAST TWO! They added NOTHING! WE HAVE DIAMOND AND PEARL AT HOME EXCEPT WE REALLY DO!

Here is my problem with Pokemon "fans": they will praise the original games and decry the others. It does not matter how broken they were, they did things better. They will complain about objectmon ignoring Magnemite and Magneton, mock the starters even though they picked on the kids that did not choose Charmander and complain about balance when Psychic was the ultimate type in Gen 1. And demand that Nintendo listen to them even though they never supported a game after first-term Bush. And sadly, Nintendo listened and gave the original games more love than any other.

Let me tell you: BDSP were a result of listening to these guys.

Jarch6 said:
Nah, even the lesser liked spin-offs (Rumble or Channel come to mind) of that era are leagues better than the average Pokémon mobile game released today.
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Depends. And mobile games are rarely good anyway.
 
FrogMinutes said:
Nintendo ONLY exists so I can play their shitty ass games for FREE on my computer,
and no less than 10 years after the original release of whatever shitbox they're selling.

my only experience with Nintendo anything, has been exclusively through emulation.
I GREW up thinking nintendo just made games for PC, but it was just my cousin putting roms on 7 dollar usb sticks.
that shitty 7 dollar USB stick is the future of nintendo,

you know those shitty games that no one wants on epic store?
that's nintendo's entire library.
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LOL they always get so self-righteous about it.
 
Dammit Mandrake! said:
LOL they always get so self-righteous about it.
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if you're not willing to stand for Freedom Free shit no one cares about years later, then stop speaking.

an entire world of shit is at my finger tips. If I want to play Back at the Barnyard on gamecube right now
then I'm going to play fucking Back at the Barnyard on gamecube.
there exists no world where you can play Back at the Barnyard on nintendo's shitty service.

you're damn right I'm self-righteous about it, I have to be. because your bitch ass don't stand for shit.
 
FrogMinutes said:
if you're not willing to stand for Freedom Free shit no one cares about years later, then stop speaking.

an entire world of shit is at my finger tips. If I want to play Back at the Barnyard on gamecube right now
then I'm going to play fucking Back at the Barnyard on gamecube.
there exists no world where you can play Back at the Barnyard on nintendo's shitty service.

you're damn right I'm self-righteous about it, I have to be. because your bitch ass don't stand for shit.
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Wow.

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Jarch6 said:
I’ll grant that even the golden era of Pokémon was nonetheless far from being artistically/technically impressive (alongside still being rather derivative). But ~after black and white it’s quite clear they started phoning it in to an egregious degree.
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3D made things harder for them, and given the tight as fuck schedule Pokémon runs, it was never going to transition over all too well. If this wasn’t a multimedia franchise that needs new games to coincide with merchandise, the anime, cards and more, maybe things would be better.

The original games (Pre-3DS) were more content rich because the scope was smaller and more inline with what they could do in a deadline. I honestly think going back to 2D would probably really help this series long term. Pokémon were the kings of sprite work which really helped the DS and prior eras still feel polished. Maybe just going full 2D animation would allow for better products as you cut down on asset creation and allow Pokémon can look better and less like lifeless 3D models. Hell, they could just pull a Squenix and go back to the pixel style whole-sale, it was what they were good at.

Leave the 3D to spin-offs that are allowed time to develop outside the cycle and within their own needs.
 
Basic Blond Boy said:
3D made things harder for them, and given the tight as fuck schedule Pokémon runs, it was never going to transition over all too well. If this wasn’t a multimedia franchise that needs new games to coincide with merchandise, the anime, cards and more, maybe things would be better.

The original games (Pre-3DS) were more content rich because the scope was smaller and more inline with what they could do in a deadline. I honestly think going back to 2D would probably really help this series long term. Pokémon were the kings of sprite work which really helped the DS and prior eras still feel polished. Maybe just going full 2D animation would allow for better products as you cut down on asset creation and allow Pokémon can look better and less like lifeless 3D models. Hell, they could just pull a Squenix and go back to the pixel style whole-sale, it was what they were good at.

Leave the 3D to spin-offs that are allowed time to develop outside the cycle and within their own needs.
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The Gen 7 3D was a fine compromise. Polish that and keep the games going.
 
Incecticyder said:
NOT ALL SPINNOFFS! There were a lot of them. You could ignore the bad ones. They are fewer in number now. Again, rose tinted glasses.
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No, it's not rose tinted glasses, there wasn't a bad Pokemon spinoff until probably Dash for DS, which I haven't played but seems fine if it wasn't a full priced release.

Dysnomia said:
I still hate how difficult it was to make my female Violet trainer cute. So I ended up going with whatever accessories matched the purple shorts. I did what I could. :(

I still can't get over the troon looking musician type trainer with the linebacker physique. And the backpacker looked like a pooner.
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Your character WILL play as a troon, and you will like it.
 
SSj_Ness (Yiffed) said:
No, it's not rose tinted glasses, there wasn't a bad Pokemon spinoff until probably Dash for DS, which I haven't played but seems fine if it wasn't a full priced release.
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There was Hey you Pikachu, Pokemon Channel, Picross and more. Sometimes they needed a cashgrab and got it.
 
SSj_Ness (Yiffed) said:
Picross games have their fans, Pokemon Channel is chill, and Hey You Pikachu was in the right time and place for that kinda game, during the Tamagotchi craze.
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Look, my point is that there were unremarkable games. There have been many spinoffs that did not work, were a cashgrab or had bad entries. Not everything was a hit.
 
NerdShamer said:
That's more along the lines of an overpriced DVD than something that's genuinely horrible.
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First things first, that is worse. Overpriced DVD is far worse. Pure cashgrab.

Secondly, I did not say "horrible". I said that there were bad and lesser Pokemon games even during the Golden Age. Remember how Mystery Dungeon Explorers was split in 3 games? The first Mystery Dungeon games were on both the GBA and DS but what was the point for the split in the sequels? Game Freak did not fell, we just were forced to see how down they already were. They always had a lax attitude with glitches and needles monetization. 3D just made it so more things could go wrong.

Thirdly, I am surprised by how many missed the point of the original post. It was not a post praising or condemning Nintendo but rather an expression of frustration with the state of discourse. Reviews calling every game great, reviews calling every game bad, all with clickbait titles and thumbnails. Do you know how hard it is to make an informed decision when there is no one that is willing to be impartial? I want the good and the bad!

Lastly, I do not buy Pokemon games for the insane polish (which they never had) or the perfect balance (that never was). I buy the games to play a fun adventure! Rare it is that I did not have fun with a Pokemon game. And I hate how some of you praise the old games like they were either polished or balanced. The only polish there was in the old stuff was the occasional guy who named their Pokemon or character "Kurwa" as a joke. And balance has not been a thing in many Pokemon games. One or two types run everything most of the time and everyone shits on Bugs. You condemn the newer stuff but forget the many issues the older stuff had! I played those too years later, they do not hold up! But I still had fun!

All in all, I want to find out if ZA is a game I will like. It might do some things great but what if it is not stuff I care for? What if it is bad at the stuff I might enjoy? I cannot find out because no one wants to give a straight answer and that is annoying! I will wait for people whose opinion I generally trust to make a review and then decide.
 
Being unremarkable is better than being predatory mobileslop. Something like Hey You, Pikachu! is even kind of a ambitious for trying to do the whole microphone with voice recognition technology at the time, even if it's not particularly fun to play and so is relegated to being a mild curiosity. Pokemon spin-offs absolutely have gone done the shitter.

I do think though that complaints that Pokemon is some kind of golden child who's overly defended isn't true anymore. I'm not saying the game is good necessarily, but Z-A doesn't look any worse at first glance than SWSH or SV did (and from what I've heard it at least runs better than SV), but people on Youtube and various forums have been super eager to rip into it in a way they've never been with previous games. Despite there being fans who will defend the game, I think SV finally broke the spell and many people including mainstream sloptubers are all looking to lynch Pokemon now for being sub-par since it went 3D.
 
Incecticyder said:
Lastly, I do not buy Pokemon games for the insane polish (which they never had) or the perfect balance (that never was). I buy the games to play a fun adventure! Rare it is that I did not have fun with a Pokemon game. And I hate how some of you praise the old games like they were either polished or balanced. The only polish there was in the old stuff was the occasional guy who named their Pokemon or character "Kurwa" as a joke. And balance has not been a thing in many Pokemon games. One or two types run everything most of the time and everyone shits on Bugs. You condemn the newer stuff but forget the many issues the older stuff had! I played those too years later, they do not hold up! But I still had fun!
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I don’t buy Pokemon games because I don’t reward bad behavior and I don’t have a disturbing quasi religious need to defend a game series/gameplay loop that fell apart harder in the move to 3D than Sonic did
 
Enig said:
I don’t buy Pokemon games because I don’t reward bad behavior and I don’t have a disturbing quasi religious need to defend a game series/gameplay loop that fell apart harder in the move to 3D than Sonic did
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Just buy what you find fun. It is not like there is any of the "Console" makers that are not shitty. Two have stopped making real consoles and the third is using its new monopoly to play Dictator. There are no good guys here, just different versions of crap.
 
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FrogMinutes said:
an entire world of shit is at my finger tips. If I want to play Back at the Barnyard on gamecube right now
then I'm going to play fucking Back at the Barnyard on gamecube.
there exists no world where you can play Back at the Barnyard on nintendo's shitty service.
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Speaking of things you can't play on goytendo's service, you should get a rom of FE4 with a translation patch. All the modern FE games rip it off and goytendo is never going to localize it due to its adult story and lack of infininiggers. I picked up a pair of FE game roms from pretty much every generation after the September direct showed me goytendo is going full speed ahead on turning Fire Emblem into Sub-Saharan Emblem.
 
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