No Time to Die 007 - Time to Go Broke

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does anyone read the 007 comics? I never watched the movies but did read the 007 manga some years ago

 

[Screamer]

I just can't believe how much they failed the ending of this film.

It's more of this crap where they can't give these male characters good endings.

The majority of the film is good, but the Blofeld stuff, the main villain stuff and the ending are all poorly done.

It's another case where they decide that the character must die and can't have a happy ending. Why is this now a trend? Craig's Bond is an anti-hero yet we like him. He's charming. We want to be like him. So why not give him growth and a good ending? Give us something satisfying? Iconic male characters can't have a good ending anymore. There is no happily ever after for men in Hollywood.

It's just unnecessary.

So to recap. Craig's Bond falls for Vesper and is betrayed and broken. Picks himself up and gets on with it. Get's into a situation where he gets shot and decides to go, "fuck it." Goes off to just drink and get away from it all. Comes back to work, only to fail and have his maternal figure in M die. Find's out a kind of brother figure from his childhood runs an evil organisation called Spectre and has been spending his time torturing him. Being the architect of all his pain. As well as global evil shit.

Bond meet's Madaline, someone he can love again after Vesper. Defeats Blofeld. Only to then have Blofeld turn around and win. Stop Bond from being happy. Destroying his relationship with Madaline. Bond goes off to live on a beach for 5 years. Comes back to work because there's a chance to take revenge on Spectre and Blofeld. To get a resolution to it.

Only then for some new random bad guy to defeat Spectre and kill Blofeld. Bond finds his way back to Madaline. See's the life he's lost because of Blofeld's victory. He has a chance at a life he never thought he would. Moving on from his tortured existence. Stops the new villain's unclear plot. Yet the villain gets a win and makes it so Bond can't be with his wife and kid. So Bond would rather not live his tortured life. He's a threat to his wife and kid by merely existing now as he's infected by nanobots. So he lets himself be blown up.

What a fucking shit show of a story arc. It is not satisfying and does no justice to the character or story. It is bad.

I love Bond, I love Craig's Bond. A good chunk of this film is great, but holy shit they fucked it up.

Woke shit.

Q's now gay.

Female 007 is fine. She's got issues with James and he just doesn't kind of give a shit and rolls his eyes at her.

Wasn't really any express woke shit, but the odd line here and there. That just seemed a bit contemptuous towards Bond. Which I think gets to the whole way this wrapped up Craig's Bond. Give the guy a fucking win. He's the hero. It's all just kind of thankless to this hero who literally saves the world.

I wouldn't say the film is woke or anything though. Somethings a bit off with it.

If Bond didn't die and drove off into the sunset. It'd be a great film, minus the weak villian.

There are also countless references to "we have all the time in the world" and variations. When Bond goes to Madaline, "I'll just be a minute." You knew it was curtains for him.

Also just lame callbacks, like people constantly dying in water because of Vesper.

 

[Mary the Goldsmith]

I remember that when the original plot leaked, Bond got to live in the end, he retires and reccomends Nomi to be his successor, having just watched the film it feels like they reshot parts of it, the story is pretty much the same as the leak except Nomi seems to have a much smaller role and Bond dies now, the fact that during Bond's dead the greenscreen is so obvious leads me to think they did reshoot the ending just to kill him instead of just letting him retire in peace.

 

[CWCissey]

I remember that when the original plot leaked, Bond got to live in the end, he retires and reccomends Nomi to be his successor, having just watched the film it feels like they reshot parts of it, the story is pretty much the same as the leak except Nomi seems to have a much smaller role and Bond dies now, the fact that during Bond's dead the greenscreen is so obvious leads me to think they did reshoot the ending just to kill him instead of just letting him retire in peace.

Craig pushed and Danny Boyle was no longer around telling him to sit down I guess.

It's clear that the Coof necessitated a change in the plot from a virus to nanobots (which just raised further questions) so I reckon they went through with Dead Bond (which Craig was apparently pushing for since Casino Royale) out of spite about everyone fucking hating 0040.

 

[Shining Wit]

It's not like you could have made Nomi a decent 007 replacement to lead a film anyway, her character was always too obedient (to M and Bond) and not maverick enough to be a leading role

 

[Screamer]

It's not like you could have made Nomi a decent 007 replacement to lead a film anyway, her character was always too obedient (to M and Bond) and not maverick enough to be a leading role

It highlights why James is such a great agent and the best 00. 00's are meant to have initiative, but they're not meant to go rogue and maverick every mission. Bond can and he has trust from M and the others.

 

[Kurtis Trent]

You may not like the ending, but a man choosing to sacrifice himself to save his wife and child is not "woke".
It's not Star Wars, they will reboot the franchise with another Bond, chill.

 

[Screamer]

You may not like the ending, but a man choosing to sacrifice himself to save his wife and child is not "woke".
It's not Star Wars, they will reboot the franchise with another Bond, chill.

It may not be woke, but it's definitely a political statement. A man like James Bond doesn't deserve to be happy and there's no redemption.

The film opens with Madaline pregnant, about to start a life with James Bond. Reflecting on her childhood with a father who operates in the same world as Bond. A childhood where the mother was an alcoholic over the fact her husband kills people. A daughter trying to keep it together. The father's work comes home and kills her mother. Almost kills her. Madaline wants a life with Bond but doesn't know if it's a good decision. Will it repeat the cycle of violence that was her childhood. So she's taking Bond on a journey to make sure he's really leaving his past behind him.

It all goes tits up, he may be ready to leave his past behind him. His past won't live him behind. They almost die and in that moment Bond doesn't trust her. He almost gives up protecting her, then abandons her on a train. She decides it is best to not have Bond in her life with her child.

Cut forwad 5 years. Bond is back and her first instinct is to protect the child from him. Lie about it being his. Yet her love for Bond is too much. Bond's allure is too much she opens herself up to letting Bond into the life with her and her child. Such is the danger of a charming masculine man like Bond.

Bond's noble sacrifice is that he then makes the decision that their life is better off without him. To hammer home the point that he is a threat, they literally make him specifically toxic to them.

It's one hell of a statement to make. Toxic masculinity literally becomes toxic and is a threat.

Bond doesn't deserve to be happy. He deserves the missery. Blofeld has succeeded in removing love, family and torturing Bond.

 

[ZMOT]

You may not like the ending, but a man choosing to sacrifice himself to save his wife and child is not "woke".
It's not Star Wars, they will reboot the franchise with another Bond, chill.

except bond's "officially" dead now. doesn't matter if it's woke or not, it removes some of the timelessness of bond, not to mention it makes "james bond will return" even more retarded.

 

[ditto]

It's not like you could have made Nomi a decent 007 replacement to lead a film anyway

They tried that with Jinx and couldn't even make it work with Haley Berry at the height of her popularity.

Also just lame callbacks, like people constantly dying in water because of Vesper.

Vesper's grave. For the last 15 years Bond is still moping around and taking about her like a jilted teenage crush and the entire purpose of Spectre is to make him suffer because of some weird childhood jealousy. Telenovela levels of motivation.

The film opens with Madaline pregnant, about to start a life with James Bond.

Is it established that she's pregnant at the start? Because I'm certain the Matilda isn't James'.

The father is actually Ernst Stavro Blofeld because

Spoiler: Click for autistic James Bond Cuckold Fanfic

1. James Bond is obviously sterile after the nut crushing of Casino Royale.
2. Blofeld would only meet with Madeline. As a "child of Spectre" of course Blofeld knew who she was.
3. Spectre wanted Madeline dead yet Blofeld knew exactly where she was. Obviously because Madeline was working for him.
4. MI6 would love to have a child to use as leverage over Blofeld and encouraged Madeline to accept Blofeld's advances.
5. Mr Robot knew that Madeline and Blofeld were intimate and made frequent body contact which is the only way the nanobots would transmit.
6. Everyone at MI6 had seen the Blofeld and Madeline sex tape which is why they gave him to the CIA and was so awkward when he returned.
7. Madeline was not at Bond's sendoff and just drove away looking so relieved that Bond was dead and she could avoid "the conversation".

There's so much evidence. Poor James.

 

[Shining Wit]

They tried that with Jinx and couldn't even make it work with Haley Berry at the height of her popularity.

Vesper's grave. For the last 15 years Bond is still moping around and taking about her like a jilted teenage crush and the entire purpose of Spectre is to make him suffer because of some weird childhood jealousy. Telenovela levels of motivation.

Is it established that she's pregnant at the start? Because I'm certain the Matilda isn't James'.

The father is actually Ernst Stavro Blofeld because

Spoiler: Click for autistic James Bond Cuckold Fanfic

1. James Bond is obviously sterile after the nut crushing of Casino Royale.
2. Blofeld would only meet with Madeline. As a "child of Spectre" of course Blofeld knew who she was.
3. Spectre wanted Madeline dead yet Blofeld knew exactly where she was. Obviously because Madeline was working for him.
4. MI6 would love to have a child to use as leverage over Blofeld and encouraged Madeline to accept Blofeld's advances.
5. Mr Robot knew that Madeline and Blofeld were intimate and made frequent body contact which is the only way the nanobots would transmit.
6. Everyone at MI6 had seen the Blofeld and Madeline sex tape which is why they gave him to the CIA and was so awkward when he returned.
7. Madeline was not at Bond's sendoff and just drove away looking so relieved that Bond was dead and she could avoid "the conversation".

There's so much evidence. Poor James.

Its what he gets for falling for a frog tbh

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

I know they desperately want to ignore QOS despite it being the second best movie of Craig's run, but it's so weird that he mourns Vesper but doesn't even lose a wink of sleep over Strawberry Fields, an innocent young agent who was brutally murdered because Bond went rogue. He mourned Felix like a brother despite seeing him three times over 15 years, but tossed Mathis in the trash.

Also, Madeline is kind of ugly. She's got a good body but she's definitely a butter face and it's ridiculous that they keep bringing up Vesper because Eva Green outclasses her so hard. She's the RACHAEL!!!! of the Bond movies and feels incredibly lightweight and childish by comparison.

Also, Quantum was so much cooler than Spectre. Quantum had people everywhere and worked in the shadows, and they had real world goals like buying up all the water rights in South America. Spectre in No Time 2 Dye is controlled by a fucking weirdo and all the members attend a public party in some backwater where they get wiped out by funny gas while their whacko leader watches from a robotic eye being carried around on a platter by a fancy butler. It's the gayest fucking thing ever.

I remember that when the original plot leaked, Bond got to live in the end, he retires and reccomends Nomi to be his successor, having just watched the film it feels like they reshot parts of it, the story is pretty much the same as the leak except Nomi seems to have a much smaller role and Bond dies now, the fact that during Bond's dead the greenscreen is so obvious leads me to think they did reshoot the ending just to kill him instead of just letting him retire in peace.

The leak also said Bond broke Blofeld's neck during the interrogation. Now there's just an awkward angry face touch before "omg the nanomachines got him!"

Speaking of which that was easily the worst scene in the movie and probably one of the worst scenes in the entire series. I can't even say it was badly written because it felt like a bunch of random off-the-cuff outtakes sloppily edited together. It was like Paul Feig was behind the camera writing the scene on the fly and sending in lines on stick-it notes.

 

[Raging Capybara]

It may not be woke, but it's definitely a political statement. A man like James Bond doesn't deserve to be happy and there's no redemption.

Ok, fine, but have you ever watched On Her Majesty's Secret Service?

 

[Screamer]

They tried that with Jinx and couldn't even make it work with Haley Berry at the height of her popularity.

Vesper's grave. For the last 15 years Bond is still moping around and taking about her like a jilted teenage crush and the entire purpose of Spectre is to make him suffer because of some weird childhood jealousy. Telenovela levels of motivation.

Is it established that she's pregnant at the start? Because I'm certain the Matilda isn't James'.

The father is actually Ernst Stavro Blofeld because

Spoiler: Click for autistic James Bond Cuckold Fanfic

1. James Bond is obviously sterile after the nut crushing of Casino Royale.
2. Blofeld would only meet with Madeline. As a "child of Spectre" of course Blofeld knew who she was.
3. Spectre wanted Madeline dead yet Blofeld knew exactly where she was. Obviously because Madeline was working for him.
4. MI6 would love to have a child to use as leverage over Blofeld and encouraged Madeline to accept Blofeld's advances.
5. Mr Robot knew that Madeline and Blofeld were intimate and made frequent body contact which is the only way the nanobots would transmit.
6. Everyone at MI6 had seen the Blofeld and Madeline sex tape which is why they gave him to the CIA and was so awkward when he returned.
7. Madeline was not at Bond's sendoff and just drove away looking so relieved that Bond was dead and she could avoid "the conversation".

There's so much evidence. Poor James.

Yes, she knows she's pregnant at the beginning. That's what her secret is. We think it's the flashback to Safin or something else. We're meant to see it from Bond's perspective. When really the whole thing is horrific for Madaline. She's really suffering. She even puts her hand on her belly in the train.

The "child of Spectre" line seems to be a red herring. Although with a Bond film like this. It constantly went through re-writes while in production. So things often get included which were meant to go somewhere that got changed. It may also just be Blofeld messing with Bond.

The reason Blofeld would only talk to Madaline is that she's in his life and not Bonds. Part of his twisted jealousy. Where once he figures out she's had a child, it's just sweeter for him that his fucking with Bond drove him away from her.

 

[Sex Cannon Lupa]

Yes, she knows she's pregnant at the beginning. That's what her secret is. We think it's the flashback to Safin or something else. We're meant to see it from Bond's perspective. When really the whole thing is horrific for Madaline. She's really suffering. She even puts her hand on her belly in the train.

Such a retarded intro. He aggressively asks her several times what she's hiding because he thinks she betrayed him, so she just gulps and says nothing even while he's hauling ass to keep her alive. Women wrote that movie.

 

[Mary the Goldsmith]

Such an exceptional intro. He aggressively asks her several times what she's hiding because he thinks she betrayed him, so she just gulps and says nothing even while he's hauling ass to keep her alive. Women wrote that movie.

I always hated when the plot happens because some character stays quiet about some secret despite being repeatedly asked, was it so hard to say "James I'm pregnant", especially during the scene on the car where the bad guys are shooting at them and Bond seemingly doesn't care

 

[Captain Syrup]

The reason Blofeld would only talk to Madaline is that she's in his life and not Bonds. Part of his twisted jealousy.

Absurd villain logic. The cornerstone of the Craig years.

Also, Quantum was so much cooler than Spectre. Quantum had people everywhere and worked in the shadows, and they had real world goals like buying up all the water rights in South America.

Bolivian water rights.

QoS sucked for the same reason Live and Let Die, TND, and View to a Kill were unpopular. The bar is set too low for Bond. It feels luke a cheat to tie Greene to Royale.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Absurd villain logic. The legacy of the Craig years.

Bond villains have always been varying degrees of absurd, but at least in the past they were over the top enough about it that you could go with it. Wanting to purify the earth with nerve had while your space station full of ubermenschen repopulate a superior humanity? With frikin' laser beams? Hell, even the bad guy in Die Another Day had a giant fucking space laser, so at least he was a legitimate threat. Blofeld torturing Bond out of soap opera jealousy is just so... small. Totally wrong for a franchise that usually deals with nuclear war and shit.

Bolivian water rights. Why not make a movie about Brexit and straight bananas?

QoS sucked for the same reason Live and Let Die, TND, and (arguably) View to a Kill sucked. The bar is set too low for Bond. His opponent is a douche. It feels like a cheat to tie him to Royale.

At least Kananga wanted to take over the world heroin market, and Carver wanted to start WW3 for ratings. Dream big, fuckers.

 

[XYZpdq]

does anyone read the 007 comics? I never watched the movies but did read the 007 manga some years ago

I remember enjoying the first couple of Dark Horse Comics where they got the Connery likeness rights

also wtf Blofeld is still in movies? Is this supposed to be the same one who was Chucky Grey sometimes and died a few times?

 

[Captain Syrup]

Bond villains have always been varying degrees of absurd

also wtf Blofeld is still in movies?

The theory goes that Connery killed the real Blofeld at some point, and Grey is the most mentally-unstable of Blofeld's doubles.