Megathread Non-binary genders / Enbies - When Male and Female Aren't Special Enough

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Thats why I fuking hate enbys

It’s sad they’ll misgender each other than just take it back like pansies. Disgraceful.

It's a joke but a very beneficial joke. Enby let's them get away with shit they wouldn't get away as masculine guys. Just look Ezra Miller. Outside of work he dress and acts like any typical straight guy but if the law or cameras get involved suddenly the none binary card comes out. Depp was kicked out of Hollywood for much less but enby Ezra is allowed to rob, tiddle kids and beat up women.

If only Depp embraced his true self and came out as Sparrowgendered. Then they’d force the bed shitter to apologize.

Okay, so normally I don't pay too much to enbies, but why is it that a majority of biologically male enbies i've met are some of the most masculine looking motherfuckers I've ever seen? They call themselves "enby", but they are blatantly male with their ultra defined jawline that could cut diamonds and their scruffy beard and fat body. This has to be some kind of joke. There is no way in hell that any of these people are remotely feminine looking, so why identify as enby unless you wanted to have oppression points?

It’s so they can get away with more shit without doing anything.

 

[NoReturn]

I found this entire comic strip hilarious: https://archive.ph/Whyk8

The best part:
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This is fucking wild

"Your name doesn't fit. I smell an egg."

Not like the other Sarahs.

Gee. Could it be that in your 20s you were defining yourself based on your sexual attractiveness, and now you're 36 and your sexual experience in the world is changing?

Never get fit, never improve.

I think this person just wants to opt out of being female.

 

[CrystalChevvy]

This is fucking wild

"Your name doesn't fit. I smell an egg."

Not like the other Sarahs.
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Gee. Could it be that in your 20s you were defining yourself based on your sexual attractiveness, and now you're 36 and your sexual experience in the world is changing?
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Never get fit, never improve.

I think this person just wants to opt out of being female.

Have these people ever considered that "being hot" is something you can contribute to yourself? Getting your hair professionally cut by somebody who knows what they're doing and will give advice, dying your hair in a color that's not blue/pink/orange/other color that suits next to nobody, taking care of your skin, wearing makeup, losing weight through eating right and exercising, thinking about what you wear and choosing outfits that make you look better instead of just putting on some oversized tee you got from last year's video game event and poorly fitted jeans you got at value mart? Showering, ffs.

Most people don't look good with zero effort but everybody can get to at least a decent level if they just bother to put in some effort. Work with what you've got.. If you look like a fucking blob you'll never look like an androgynous stickman no matter how you identify. Or accept the fact that you look like you do and that there are other things in life, especially when you're over 35 and entering middle age and everybody else around you is balding or gaining weight and nobody expects you to be very hot anyway. Get out of your own head, you're an adult. You're only going to get uglier as time goes by, it's not the end of the world.

 

[DoubleD]

Saw this one doing the rounds on Twitter, and would love to get your opinions.

What's interesting is that this "non-binary man" describes gender as a social construct she's trying to escape from, saying it should be dismantled, while at the same time clinging to a very specific part of that social construct that would allow her the benefits of being a man and being non-binary:

I really wanted to come on here and talk about my gender, and see if anyone in my little phone has the same experience or a similar experience or can relate in any way. Because I very recently discovered - by recently I mean, like, this very morning - that I am a non-binary man, which I know sounds like an impossible hypocrisy/paradox/contradiction, but I'm gonna explain.

Also, I'm not a demi-boy. I'm not a masculine-aligned non-binary person. I am a non-binary man because I am non-binary and I am a man.

So I, like, wholeheartedly believe that gender is performative, socially constructed, and that we don't need it. Saying that, I'm not really pro-abolition of gender, unless it would, kind of, come in stages. I'm not sure. I haven't really thought about the abolition of gender as a whole, but I think that the world would be a better place if we had never constructed gender. Saying that, the only thing that's hindering me from being completely free of the influence of gender, gender roles, expectations, norms, etc, etc, is my gender dysphoria.

The aim of my medical transition is, not only to free myself of my dysphoria, but to entirely liberate myself from the grips that gender has on me, in all repects. And I think it's very likely that a lot of people see medical transition and transitioning as a whole as the opposite of that, and as a way to, like, confrom to and comply with the gender binary, but that's just not how I see my gender transition at all.

And I always want to be perceived as a man, like I am a man and I have lots of dysphoria surrounding the idea that I might not be perceived as a man. However, I don't wanna be confined to that one label, and I think that the way I see my transition and the way that I'm seeking freedom and liberatoion from gender is what makes me non-binary as well as a man.

Emphasis mine - I found it especially telling when she said she desired a world without gender, but had no idea as to what that might look like.

Most importantly, do you think her moustache is real or drawn on with make-up? Her voice sounds too high for someone who's been on T, and it seems she's making a conscious effort to talk in a low pitch. On the other hand, she does talk quite brazenly about medically transitioning to resemble a man, but seems to discuss it mostly in hypothetical terms.

 

[Lady Bizness]

These people talk so much and say so very little. How do they not bore themselves to tears?

 

[scathefire]

Saw this one doing the rounds on Twitter, and would love to get your opinions.

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What's interesting is that this "non-binary man" describes gender as a social construct she's trying to escape from, saying it should be dismantled, while at the same time clinging to a very specific part of that social construct that would allow her the benefits of being a man and being non-binary:


Emphasis mine - I found it especially telling when she said she desired a world without gender, but had no idea as to what that might look like.

Most importantly, do you think her moustache is real or drawn on with make-up? Her voice sounds too high for someone who's been on T, and it seems she's making a conscious effort to talk in a low pitch. On the other hand, she does talk quite brazenly about medically transitioning to resemble a man, but seems to discuss it mostly in hypothetical terms.

She reflects the general opinion of the trans community, that gender is simultaneously a social construct and something that is innate and often requires medical intervention. The second you scrutinize it even slightly, the whole thing falls apart.

 

[Flatline]

would love to get your opinions.

Not watching a two-minute video of a they/them embarrassing himself on Twitter.

 

[veritarded]

I think this person just wants to opt out of being female.

that’s like 75% of nonbinaries. 98% if you don’t count the TIMs in their in-between phase.

sort of unrelated, but i was looking at the requirements for blood donations and saw this.
male donor requirements:

female donor requirements:

nonbinary donor requirements:

notice anything?

 

[Jon Osterman]

would love to get your opinions.

So I, like, wholeheartedly believe that gender is performative, socially constructed, and that we don't need it.

These people really have no understanding of basic biology, or what it means for something to be a social construct. Gender is not some nebulous thing that doctors randomly assign at birth, it is based in genetics and biological differences with zero social influence. It'd be like saying (natural) hair color or height is a social construct.
Second, even if it was somehow a social construct, so is language, and currency, and laws, and governments, foundational concepts that society can not function without. Something being a social construct doesn't mean it's unimportant, in fact it means it probably is important because enough people agreed to it.

 

[None Drunk Username]

I don't think Xiran Jay Zhao has been talked about here, I did a search and couldn't find anything. She went viral a couple years back for releasing this video shitting all over the live action Disney Mulan:

Her main job is she's a novel author and her YouTube success helped springboard her writing career. Other than the standard twitter leftist woke takes and yelling at anyone who disagrees she's not very lolcow-y. The most notable lolcow-like thing I can think of is she defends the idea of Chinese people eating dogs in this video:

(yes really)

Anyway, I'm posting here because she also identifys as they/them.



At first I though well maybe that's a joke but nope her author bio confirms it, and it's just as much as a headache to read as I feared (her wikipedia page is even more annoying to read)




I'm not entirely sure where I'm going with this and I'm willing to admit that I'm being super autistic about this, but it honestly pisses me off. She looks like a woman, dresses like a woman, wears makeup like a woman, everything about her screams "I am a woman", and yet she insists on using they/them pronouns. Like am I missing something? I mean it would be one thing if she turned herself into one of those disgusting genderblob creatures but she just continues to look like a normal-ass woman. What even would be the problem in her mind if she just went by she/her like every other woman? I can only imagine how insufferable she is when someone "misgenders" her.

I just hope in a hundred years or so we'll all look back at this as nothing but a craze or a fad and laugh. We use pronouns because it makes language significantly easier and trying to force they/them into that category is just so awkward. You'd think as a professional write Xiran would understand that. Gender neutral pronouns may work in other languages but it just doesn't in English and I'm willing to die on that hill.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Gender neutral pronouns may work in other languages but it just doesn't in English and I'm willing to die on that hill.

I was under the impression that gender neutral pronouns work better in English than in other languages, which is saying alot when it still feels awkward regardless.

We do have a singular gender neutral pronoun, "it." If their hatred for the gender binary really is that strong that they make-believe as a hermaphrodite/eunuch, they gotta stick with "it" because it's grammatically correct.

But troons hate it when people use that because "it" is dehumanizing. What they don't seem to understand is that they already dehumanize themselves by willfully turning themselves into freaks.

 

[Trombonista]

But troons hate it when people use that because "it" is dehumanizing.

Some might, but some enbies on tumblr actually wanted to be referred to as "it."

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Some might, but some enbies on tumblr actually wanted to be referred to as "it."

Yeah, I'm aware of that, but I'm under the impression that those are exceptions that prove the rule.

Come to think of it, maybe those specific ones ENJOY being dehumanized. Certainly explains a lot.

Actually, they all enjoy being dehumanized. Just think about it.

 

[scathefire]

I was under the impression that gender neutral pronouns work better in English than in other languages, which is saying alot when it still feels awkward regardless.

We do have a singular gender neutral pronoun, "it." If their hatred for the gender binary really is that strong that they make-believe as a hermaphrodite/eunuch, they gotta stick with "it" because it's grammatically correct.

But troons hate it when people use that because "it" is dehumanizing. What they don't seem to understand is that they already dehumanize themselves by willfully turning themselves into freaks.

It's true that in some circumstances "they" can be used as gender-neutral singular, but not every single pronoun used for a specific person rather than just as a placeholder for some vague person of unknown gender you're talking about. Using "they" for every single pronoun just causes confusion, but it's becoming more normalized (I hate that word) due to it being enforced from the top down by gender ideologues.

 

[Subtlety]

English in many ways can handle but also can't handle neutral gender vocabulary, this is because of English's Germanic roots. Other languages are very STRONGLY gendered, like Russian, other Slavic tongues. In Swedish and Germanic languages the neutral gender exist both because of the actual neutral gender but because there is an allowable ambiguity. Plenty of languages have the ambiguity exist in the masculine gender, so if you're referring to an unknown, it is masculine until proven otherwise.

Grammatical gender doesn't always equate actual gender (or sex), it's just some words either sound feminine or the way they're written gives them a feminine form. For instance, a car can be feminine or masculine or neuter depending on if your language has adopted primarily the Greek makhana, the Greek-Latin automobile, or the Anglo-Saxon carre. Two feminine, one neuter, if you check the Wiktionary page on car ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/car#Noun ) you can see plenty of examples of this gender changing on the language. For instance, in Dutch it's masculine.

Queer activists try really hard to queer strongly-gendered languages. See here: https://u.osu.edu/seej/2018/10/25/can-you-be-nonbinary-in-russian/ (archive)

Most of the time it's foreign exchange students who have decided, in their infinite wisdom as a cranky 19yo visiting a culture incredibly different than theirs, to create out of nowhere new grammatical constructs just to encompass a sense of self invented in 2012.

This is also why there's a certain pozzedness to Western cultures when it comes to this because, looping this back, languages with Germanic roots allow a neuter and also allow an ambiguity. They aren't strongly gendered because for centuries it was taken as a given that upon being given context you could figure out a sex/gender. There are of course names that are gender neutral, or names that fit both genders (Valerie, Taylor) and if the subject's gender were very pertinent you could ask directly, but that's not all that necessary. Eventually in those languages you will figure out that Valerie is a man because Valerie is referred to as a husband, or Taylor is a woman because she's the second daughter. When people force the gender neutral pronoun when the gender/sex is NOT ambiguous, it's an obvious form of activism.

You can't play these games, at least as easily, in other languages. Asian languages aren't exempt from this, mind you. Sometimes they're even more ambiguous in places. But the second you step out of a rather narrow sphere of English and English-adjacent languages you will find it harder and harder to indulge in enby bullshit.

 

[Pedophobe]

then men demean themselves by adopting feminine attire and styles, stop talking football and guns, take up crochet or some shit

You had me going up until that bit NGL.

 

[GloriousScarf]

What even would be the problem in her mind if she just went by she/her like every other woman?

See she has thoughts and feelings so this makes her a real person, not like the rest of the icky women who are basically Barbie dolls with no independent thoughts or feelings besides looking pretty.

aka main character syndrome aka narcissism.

 

[UnsufficentBoobage]

The most notable lolcow-like thing I can think of is she defends the idea of Chinese people eating dogs

There is nothing bad in eating dogs, you gotta just raise them on veggies.

Also she may have adopted NB to get allowed a voice in certain issues, I keep seeing a lot of people basically doing it as a neccessity.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Has anyone found a way to coax people out of Nonbinary? Or at least force them to sit down and think about why they use the pronouns they use and how it might be connected to expectations of gender or autism/other disorder?

See she has thoughts and feelings so this makes her a real person, not like the rest of the icky women who are basically Barbie dolls with no independent thoughts or feelings besides looking pretty.

aka main character syndrome aka narcissism.

I genuinely think it could be a shitty understanding of Theory of Mind, where she can't understand what other people think that well. "Some individuals with autism, Asperger’s, schizophrenia, depression, or social anxiety disorder exhibit a deficit in theory of mind and perform poorly on related tasks."

 

[DoubleD]

This is fucking wild
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"Your name doesn't fit. I smell an egg."
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Not like the other Sarahs.
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Gee. Could it be that in your 20s you were defining yourself based on your sexual attractiveness, and now you're 36 and your sexual experience in the world is changing?
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Never get fit, never improve.
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I think this person just wants to opt out of being female.

Saying the quiet part loud.

I thought making your body look a certain way was a thing some people are born wanting to do. This comic says it's caused by cultural pressure to look a certain way. I mean, she's not wrong, but Christ! Is this person even non-binary by her own standards, or just an insecure cis woman?

Or is there another dimension to the narrative I'm not getting? Like even if the body dysphoria went away, would she still see herself as something that is Not A Woman, and want to be called Shay instead of Sarah? (both girls' names BTW!!)

Feminism has a lot to answer for in this case. Telling a generation of women and girls that they are in danger and people will violate their bodies because they are women is inevitably going to make some of them not want to be women.

But that can't be all there is to it. You don't get an equivalent movement of blacks trying to bleach their skin and telling the rest of the world they're not black. Why is that? Honest question.