NPCs: Born or made?

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The no inner speech thing is fascinating. I’m never really sure what to make of it. Are they saying people literally never have any? I can accept I suppose that people may have very different ways of inner reflection, we all think in lots of different ways, verbally, images, intuition etc. but are they saying some people have literally no inner reflection at all? That’s really weird.
Anyway NPCs, I do have a theory on this and it’s mind control BUT BEAR WITH ME IM NOT INSANE. I think, that this is what causes it. People have been traumatised and trained, until they can’t even think about certain things without feeling bad. Political correctness really curtailed what people could say in public. Then we had socia media and we encouraged everybody to spew every mundane thought and opinion online. Then, they gradually ramp up the us vs them thing, where every opinion is either ultra hood or ultra bad, no nuance. And of course people keep exposing opinions online. Cancel culture then forms a massively powerful social feedback loop, whereby any ‘bad’ speech is immediately (important) met by often catastrophic consequences - social ostracism, loss of job, loss of payment access. Humans are social beings (in the main, this audience may differ somewhat) and expulsion from the group = death in our lizard brains.
The result is actual mind control - you control what people do and don’t say to such a point that it turns into what they do and don’t THINK. People are trained to not think any thought that makes them likely to face the negative feedback. Just look at university safe spaces, with students seeing over being exposed to bad ideas. It’s literal thought control - people are so conditioned that when you try to make them think a certain thing or say a certain thing they react as if they are avoiding a pain stimulus.
If you don’t believe me try this. TELL someone this theory and they will laugh at you and deny it. Now, ask them to say nigger out loud. Watch their reaction. They will squirm and justify not saying it, even if there’s only two of you, and you’re not recording
It’s like beating a dog every time the door opens for years then leaving the door open. The dog won’t go through it. Or how prisoners will kill a potential escapee if they’ve been collectively punished before.
It is collective, punishment based conditioning.
 
Modern urban "society" really is like a cult.

- People who are integrated into "society" are referred to as "members" (like cult members).

- There's countless written and unwritten rules to be "normal" (like being in good standing with a cult).

- "Cringe" is treated like a "sin" or "heresy", as is not believing The Narrative™.

- Those who don't integrate - the "heathens" or "heretics" - are called "losers", "social outcasts", "weirdos", etc.

- Blaming a cult for problems is often if not always discouraged, as if the cult can do no wrong.

People shouldn't go out of their way to be assholes or too freakish, but there's a such thing as too much conformity.
 
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Everyone is an NPC in some context because humans are social animals by necessity. If everyone was the perfect *smuckle* individualist that marched to the beat of their own drum, we’d never get anything done. The use of the NPC meme is itself socially-conformist, an ingroup/outgroup signaling mechanism in communities such as this one.
 
We're all NPCs in some ways. The world is too complex for one person to act independently all the time, we all have areas of our lives where we just go with the flow because being aware and intentional about what you're doing 24/7 is exhausting and you'll burn out if you try it.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
I believe it's somewhat related to this study:

Not Everyone Conducts Inner Speech​

It's possible those who can't think for themselves (or even think to themselves) are more likely to have NPC mentality, but it doesn't seem to be clear if that's nature or nurture.

I just really found it super fascinating that when the NPC meme kicked off, it got the media and Twitter bots so fucking mad. Like why would anyone get bothered by a meme unless it hit way too close to home--or to the truth?
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That study is what triggered the meme iirc.
 
Terrorist said:
The use of the NPC meme is itself socially-conformist, an ingroup/outgroup signaling mechanism in communities such as this one.
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Hoi Polloi said:
being aware and intentional about what you're doing 24/7 is exhausting and you'll burn out if you try it
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Trying to be perfectly non-conformist can be just as unhealthy as trying to be perfectly "normal".
 
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Dandelion Eyes said:
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I agree, the Wordcel vs Shape Rotator dichotomy is much more interesting. After all, even those supposed NPCs seem to be able use language correctly, even if they insist on not having an internal monologue. But the wordcel is a different beast, and, to me, much more alien and scary. It looks like in the wordcels' world the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis is true, and indeed, as Wittgenstein said, "the limits of my language are the limits of my world".
Unlike the NPCs, they can be detected with simple tests which they can't fake. Not only those requiring literal shape rotation or operating machinery, but also some maths or programming problems where reasoning in terms of prepositions without certain shape rotating shortcuts is very slow and error-prone. In my experience the wordcel fears relational databases the most, second only to fixing his bike.
 
ToroidalBoat said:
What's going to be the next Current Thing of Current Year after the Ukraine invasion?

Or in other words, the next freakshow bandwagon like the coof, "BLM", and "Support Ukraine"?
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From reading the tea leaves, pro-pedophilia movements. We're already seeing the first stirrings of it in the headlines, and especially with the new supreme justice.
 
Traincake said:
From reading the tea leaves, pro-pedophilia movements.
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Haram Exercise said:
Pro pedo shit from every possible angle, further climate crisis shit, further push towards fake food and huwhite supremacy
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These "Current Things" could be stepping stones - or distractions - that tyranny uses to turn "little people" into cybernetic serfs.

(Also weren't SJWs very anti-pedo?)
 
Otterly said:
The no inner speech thing is fascinating. I’m never really sure what to make of it. Are they saying people literally never have any? I can accept I suppose that people may have very different ways of inner reflection, we all think in lots of different ways, verbally, images, intuition etc. but are they saying some people have literally no inner reflection at all? That’s really weird.
Anyway NPCs, I do have a theory on this and it’s mind control BUT BEAR WITH ME IM NOT INSANE. I think, that this is what causes it. People have been traumatised and trained, until they can’t even think about certain things without feeling bad. Political correctness really curtailed what people could say in public. Then we had socia media and we encouraged everybody to spew every mundane thought and opinion online. Then, they gradually ramp up the us vs them thing, where every opinion is either ultra hood or ultra bad, no nuance. And of course people keep exposing opinions online. Cancel culture then forms a massively powerful social feedback loop, whereby any ‘bad’ speech is immediately (important) met by often catastrophic consequences - social ostracism, loss of job, loss of payment access. Humans are social beings (in the main, this audience may differ somewhat) and expulsion from the group = death in our lizard brains.
The result is actual mind control - you control what people do and don’t say to such a point that it turns into what they do and don’t THINK. People are trained to not think any thought that makes them likely to face the negative feedback. Just look at university safe spaces, with students seeing over being exposed to bad ideas. It’s literal thought control - people are so conditioned that when you try to make them think a certain thing or say a certain thing they react as if they are avoiding a pain stimulus.
If you don’t believe me try this. TELL someone this theory and they will laugh at you and deny it. Now, ask them to say nigger out loud. Watch their reaction. They will squirm and justify not saying it, even if there’s only two of you, and you’re not recording
It’s like beating a dog every time the door opens for years then leaving the door open. The dog won’t go through it. Or how prisoners will kill a potential escapee if they’ve been collectively punished before.
It is collective, punishment based conditioning.
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This is the definition of Newspeak in 1984.

It's not a crazy theory and quite mainstream, assuming people have actually read 1984 and are not simply repeating quotes like an NPC.
 
Shaneequa said:
I think bullying holds a pretty important social purpose during a child's development.

It establishes social hierarchies within the same caste, which is something that you'll encounter everywhere there's any amount of person to person interaction.

It corrects deviant behavior.
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To me that sounds like a way a conformist "NPC" can be made.

It's better to teach people not to be jerks than to bully people into submission and conformity.
 
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lol calm down
ToroidalBoat said:
To me that sounds like a way a conformist "NPC" can be made.

It's better to teach people not to be jerks than to bully people into submission and conformity.
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i bet if i could backhand you across the mouth rn you'd stop being so cringe
 
NPCs are born. There are NPCs among every walk of life among every political spectrum. It just so happens that right now the American Left has more(or appears to have more) due to them being the dominant cultural force. There are a lot of NPCs in "right wing" churches and circles. It's a function of adaptation as not "fitting in" means you get ostracized and don't get kids but it's also a function of something else I'm not quite sure how to categorize it. It isn't new seeing as Aristotle talks about people who cannot be instructed and cannot learn from information but have to be emotionally manipulated in Rhetoric, so NPCs have existed for 2k-3k years ago so its not a product of our specific culture.

Being an NPC isn't necessarily a bad thing. If you have a better society than being an NPC is fine. The problem is society sucks right now so NPCs suck as well.

Ughubughughughughughghlug said:
By the way, women are even worse about all this. It's just in their nature to be more... homogeneous. I think that's a good chunk of the angst of being a weird misfit, weird misfit women are harder to find for you and it's

I find it weird how even dudes I know who I'd describe as intellectual, at least somewhat, don't care one whit about a woman's personality beyond just that she's nice. That's like a different kind of shallow, it's not shallow like putting up with a bitch because she's pretty, but it's just changed it to "pretty and not overly repugnant to be around."

I went to this student film festival last night, and being the artistes these ought to be some of the more eccentric women, y'know, but all the men's submissions had decent stuff with plots or humor or whatever, and every woman's submission was about anxiety or body image or whatever, with long indulgent scenes of them putting on makeup/primping their hair, utter drivel. No exaggeration. So fucking boring. That's what women are. So rare to encounter one that isn't a meat-puppet.
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Not to insult you, ignoring the incel vibes, men generally aren't looking for the same things in a friend as they are in a partner who could potentially be the mother to their kids. Being pleasant and fun to be around is way more important that being smart and someone you can "debate" with when you come home to that person every day.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
I just really found it super fascinating that when the NPC meme kicked off, it got the media and Twitter bots so fucking mad. Like why would anyone get bothered by a meme unless it hit way too close to home--or to the truth?
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This is a cute excuse but the reason loads of people were outraged is because you directly insult people with the NPC meme, as you state with it that "you're not even a human being". People do get upset with things that are made to insult them, so it wasn't because they were "NPCs".
 
Otterly said:
The result is actual mind control - you control what people do and don’t say to such a point that it turns into what they do and don’t THINK.
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One way this kind of "mind control" can be attempted is by labeling "wrongthink" as "cringe", like I said.

Of course this approach fails if one doesn't care if they're "cringe" or not.
 
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The overwhelming majority of people are shaped by the environment and culture they were born and raised in and are way more vulnerable to hysteria than they think. If they were alive in the times and places 80%+ of the population would be down for hunting witches in 1600s Salem, burning books in 1930s Germany and smashing babies against tree trunks in 1978 Cambodia.
 
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