Feedback Null does not want a Tor-only Onionfarms. Here's why that's problematic.

[.iota.]

I can see being on TOR exclusively as a temporary solution, but we really need to be on the clearnet. The world deserves to know about the tranny cult (among other people covered here.)

i agree with you, and with your criteria. given our notoriety, i know that it's wildly optimistic. however, as long as the site is available, whether on tor, on the clearnet, or both, i'll continue to contribute. my posts may not be to everyone's liking, my merch purchases and random $100 donations may not go very far, but it's what i have to offer in exchange for something that i value. i can only hope (and i do hope) that others feel the same.

 

[Stabmaster Arson II]

I think it should be viewable on the clearnet, but you should only be able to post from TOR.

Would still have the idiot barrier, and would still show up in web searches.

 

[Lone Outsider]

We shouldn't want to keep the normies out. You were a normie once, probably. Deliberately limiting reach is, well, limiting in all aspects and precisely what the likes of Fong-Jones seek to accomplish. You don't win by losing.

Right now being in the clear net is gonna put a target on KF's backs. Not to mention it attracts retard newfags that need be trained. At this point it's either:

1. Keep on trying to get on the clear net and have tranny sickos take the site down and go further and further in taking Null down.
2. Go underground and limit the amount of people that get in and remain safe until the woke faggots go down before returning and risk the decay or the transformation of the site into an echo chamber.
3. Say enough is enough and make an exception about becoming the Autistic Illuminati and go on the offensive (within reason)

Personally I'd go with 2 and play it safe because these faggots the internet by the balls and it's gonna take someone or some entity with an enormous amount of power to punk these animals.

 

[repentance]

If not, maybe the site can have a thanks page similar to EFF's.

Thank You to our Institutional Supporters

EFF would like to thank the following public foundations, organizational members, and other organizational donors for supporting our tireless efforts to defend users' rights.Public FoundationsFilecoin Foundation for the Decentralized WebFord FoundationFuture of Life InstituteKaphan...

www.eff.org

People are willing to donate to and buy merchandise from KF. The obstacle is that we're banned from pretty much every easy method of payment.

 

[Swingletonthesimpleton]

Why not just do something like the fediverse? Multiple sites on multiple servers all documenting lolcows. They can't shut everyone down.

 

[Disheveled-Human]

Imagine building a website and putting a lot of money and effort into it knowing its the end of the road and will never grow. I do not blame Jersh for choosing to give up. It would be better to just start a new project. If Josh needs help developing or running said new project I would help out because I know he got done dirty and I am sure I am not alone with that sentiment.

 

[NOT Satoshi Nakamoto]

Josh will do what he wants, but I want to see how far we can take the site. The impending death of the Internet should happen before IQ gets too low to come up with solutions.

> They'll DDOS TOR.

My understanding is that Tor cannot be DDOSed without massive distributed damage to the network. By distributing the harm to more innocent bystanders (including CIA assets), the gender people will become even more hated. That's good.

> People won't see KF content if it's Tor-only

KF have been deindexed from all the search engines for as long as i remember, and trannies are still seething about it. People should start using Tor more anyway.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

like many have said before, i want the site to exist but i would not blame null for pulling the plug and moving on with his life. he has already ruined his name for our entertainment.

who knows, maybe some mad lad will come around and do a kiwi farms 2.0 at one point.

 

[murph]

Let's all go to Usenet. alt.kiwi.farms

I am kidding, I kid.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

It's weird seeing the internet get strangled in slow motion

although it feels like it's already dead because of search engines becoming more and more useless... partly due to censorship but also because they've been taken over by shitty bot-written informationless "articles" that drown out actual useful information... and sites like YT actively preventing people from seeing whether results are relevant.

algorithms and shitty content has been the undoing of the greatest communication tool in history. We might be able to tell younger generations that there was a time when you could type things and find the answer out in seconds.

Now if it's useful, it'll be buried under pages of gibberish copied text repeating the question 5 times with no answer or a horrible video that uses a voice generator to spout out the same babble. And if it's controversial, you won't see it at all. In any case you need to know exactly where to look if you want to find anything.

 

[NOT Satoshi Nakamoto]

No, it wouldn't be. They've DDoSed the site on Tor as well. Chelsea Manning, who is involved with the #DropKiwiFarms campaign, is a convicted cybercriminal who knows trannies who are former Tor employees, who have a grudge against Tor and know how to attack the network from within.

Is there more information / a thread on this? I thought the onion site went down because it was on the same server as the clear web site. Not because of a successful attack over TOR.

 

[Big Al's Famous Pork]

Access to the clearnet requires money and attorneys.
I believe there are forces at work to ensure this happens.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

You know all these tranny faggots who keep kicking us off the net have names and addresses.

 

[Nykysnottrans]

My understanding is that Tor cannot be DDOSed

Go on Twatter and you can read their own tweets about how they were DDoSing KF on Tor: https://twitter.com/search?q=kiwifarms, DDoS, Tor&src=typed_query&f=live

Also, consider this:

The other noteworthy incident started around September 13 when exit
nodes began to get overloaded (while the other DoS was and is still
ongoing). Unfortunately, that exit related DoS is heavily impacting our
users' experience as can be seen in our OnionPerf data[4]. While we are
still investigating the nature of that DoS attack it turns out that
blocking particular IP addresses with ExitPolicy rules seems to help on
exit nodes this is tested on. The Artikel10 exit node operators provided
even a script recently[5] to help with that (much appreciated, thanks!).
This approach is highly experimental at this point and it might help us
at least to come up with an actual design idea to counter that
particular exit DoS.

https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2022-October/020858.html

Relatedly, over the past few weeks, Tor has been under a sustained DDOS attack

https://status.torproject.org/issues/2022-06-09-network-ddos/

Here's Keffals' cybercrime partner Ellen Murray openly tweeting and bragging about how KF was getting DDoSed on Tor:


source: https://twitter.com/ellenfromnowon/status/1569380263947280385

Here is Liz Fong-Jones criminal associate Neal Rauhauser @AmericanHacker tweeting about he was going to target Null's sites on Tor:



#DropKiwiFarms DDoSing KF on Tor isn't a theory, as you can see they've already done it and were openly bragging about doing it.

 

[Big Al's Famous Pork]

The Neal Rauhauser rabbit hole is wild. Dude is an actual criminal.

 

[Trig.Point]

Now rewrite this post while trying to come up with viable solutions for all his financial issues with running the site.
All you elitists that want tiny exclusive jerk-circles never have any viable solutions for that.

This is the problem, the site needs to be financially viable. I personally think it's less of an issue for users to learn how to use TOR, than it is for them to learn how to use Crypto and put their hands in their pockets.

 

[Ronnie McNutt]

Tor will keep alot of the normies out sure, but it also means that normal people who lurk on the forum without much technical expertise will suffer. Tor means that KF will grow much slower because of it's less public view.

 

[$80 Nude Haircut]

We shouldn't want to keep the normies out. You were a normie once, probably. Deliberately limiting reach is, well, limiting in all aspects and precisely what the likes of Fong-Jones seek to accomplish. You don't win by losing.

If this is your only metric for winning then the trannies already won. Every major corporation, bank & government puts up fag flags one month out of the year. People are terrified of offending alphabet faggots & trannies because they are today what kikes were back when the Holohoax was still a fresh story. Nobody believes it & nobody believes anyone else believes it, but the objective of all this garbage was never to help anybody. It was to formulate a hierarchy of grifters. They succeeded and now you will have to put up with a robust demographic of uppity queens until the day you die.

tl;dr You don't win by taking constant L's in a place or format where your enemy developed a foothold. You win by doing something different & doing it someplace else.

If Kiwifarms has any presence on the clearnet after all this it should be a basic HTML webpage with instructions on how to download Tor Browser. If you are too stupid to set up a web browser then you were never going to contribute anything to the site anyway.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

It's been turned down before, but could selling ads help offset some costs? There may be some business owners within this forum that would love to promote their stuff.

If not, maybe the site can have a thanks page similar to EFF's.

Thank You to our Institutional Supporters

EFF would like to thank the following public foundations, organizational members, and other organizational donors for supporting our tireless efforts to defend users' rights.Public FoundationsFilecoin Foundation for the Decentralized WebFord FoundationFuture of Life InstituteKaphan...

www.eff.org

Remember the kinds of AIDS ads Encyclopedia Dramatica became notorious for? That's what would happen if Kiwifarms started having ads.

 

[Beak Thing]

Tor keeps the normies out. Onion Farms could be like Studio 54 without the AIDS, drugs, overdoses, and dead hookers in the air vent.

Drugs, overdoses and dead hookers were part of the allure. Not so much AIDS.