Feedback Null does not want a Tor-only Onionfarms. Here's why that's problematic.

[Ultrapenguin]

I have no idea, but I get this feeling like within the next few years or so we'll be in a position where being worried about internet forum usage will seem silly. Whether that's for positive or negative reasons, I can't say.

My understanding is that Tor cannot be DDOSed without massive distributed damage to the network. By distributing the harm to more innocent bystanders (including CIA assets), the gender people will become even more hated. That's good.

Tor can absolutely be DDOSed, in the past even big ol' darknet markets have been ransom attacked and had to use some kind of weird fucking system I don't even understand where they needed to constantly shift their URL in order to operate.

I don't know the specifics in terms of how that's performed or mitigated, but if something that large and flush with cash can be DDOSed to near unusability, then a small site sure can.

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

Here is Liz Fong-Jones criminal associate Neal Rauhauser @AmericanHacker tweeting about he was going to target Null's sites on Tor:

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#DropKiwiFarms DDoSing KF on Tor isn't a theory, as you can see they've already done it and were openly bragging about doing it.

Waitaminute, I know that name.

Neal Rauhauser was one of Brett Kimberlin's butt-buddies. I do not know if he still has outstanding warrants, but back in 2012 he stopped showing up to support Kimberlin's court appearances because W.J.J. Hoge supplied the bailiffs with copies of Rauhauser's warrants.

Rauhauser was working with Kimberlin at Justice Through Music through 2012. This is an odd rabbit hole to go down.

 

[StyxHexenHamster1350]

The trick is to make the Tor frontend the primary frontend. And all the clearweb domains are just pointing to reverse proxies which point into the Tor frontend.

This way the Tor website is accessible from the clearweb, and the troons can play whack-a-mole with the clearweb proxies and not affect the actual site.

My understanding is that Tor cannot be DDOSed without massive distributed damage to the network.

Tor is harder to DDoS, but not impossible. And yes, it harms the entire network. Additionally the Tor network can be knocked offline entirely if someone manages to take down most of the directory authority servers. Colluding ISPs or government level entities can hypothetically do this.

I2P is much, much harder to DDoS than Tor, faster than Tor most of the time, and near impossible to knock offline as there are no dedicated directory authorities... And Josh won't use it for unfounded fears of imaginary CSAM (CP) spam attacks.

 

[murph]

I believe Jersh really will abandon the project but the smart move is to keep the Farms up until he is able to change name, get a "real" job.

Maybe, just maybe, he'll keep the onion site up out of sentiment.

OTOH this site has been through death throes before, and I can't predict the future. I'm holding off on writing a eulogy

 

[Barry McKockner]

Go on Twatter and you can read their own tweets about how they were DDoSing KF on Tor: https://twitter.com/search?q=kiwifarms, DDoS, Tor&src=typed_query&f=live

Also, consider this:






Here's Keffals' cybercrime partner Ellen Murray openly tweeting and bragging about how KF was getting DDoSed on Tor:

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source: https://twitter.com/ellenfromnowon/status/1569380263947280385

Here is Liz Fong-Jones criminal associate Neal Rauhauser @AmericanHacker tweeting about he was going to target Null's sites on Tor:

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#DropKiwiFarms DDoSing KF on Tor isn't a theory, as you can see they've already done it and were openly bragging about doing it.

I wonder if Twitter's new ownership thinks this is Ok.

 

[GenociderSyo]

I think it should at least have a bit of life on tor if clearnet truly dies. This troon shit is already turning the curve with people realizing the reality of it. Once they are seen as being what they truly are the shit would die down and the site could grow again. Even tor only we were having a thousand or so users and the growth we were getting the last few months did include quite a lot that were unable to assimilate into the culture here.

 

[The Internet Dick]

Neal Rauhauser was one of Brett Kimberlin's butt-buddies.

Kimberlin's been quiet for the last few years, no doubt worn out from all that terrorism, intimidation, legal harassment, little girl rape, and murder. And Rauhauser? He's always been a henchman, a follower, a born bottom bitch. Whenever you see Rauhauser pop up, you just know someone bigger and badder is behind him, pulling his little psycho strings.

Comes to that, we know we're doing it right when these are the people who hate us most, when we drag the likes of Vordrak, Rauhauser, Fong-Jones and the rest out into the light and laugh at their sorry asses.

 

[KelpieSelkie]

I thought from the sounds of it that Tor takes a bit to set up, but it's actually incredibly easy. At least if you only have it to get here, that is. Not sure what it's like for other sites. I'm not sure how even a tard could get confused with it if they have the onion link on ctrl+V and an automatic connection on Tor Browser.

With that being said, as much as I love this place I know it isn't mine. You need to do what you think is best, even if it means giving up and moving on. I just wish I could have joined even earlier than I did, but maybe it would make the eventual goodbye harder too. I very much like the idea of being able to read the forum offline through a torrent, at least. There are tons of cows and things I've never bothered to read on here.

 

[Jump]

I have faith in Josh getting clearnet up.
BUT
If that doesn't work out then deleting the back end user data, passwords and then locking the site READ ONLY on TOR is a good option.
He could toss the image up on some beafy cloud platform and as long as the IP never gets leaked they can never deplatform it. It could stay there forever with zero effort and a crypto link for people to dono for the hosting.

A legit archive of what these people have done that can never be fucked with like archive.org and wikipedia.

 

[Stabmaster Arson II]

Tor can absolutely be DDOSed, in the past even big ol' darknet markets have been ransom attacked and had to use some kind of weird fucking system I don't even understand where they needed to constantly shift their URL in order to operate.

I don't know the specifics in terms of how that's performed or mitigated, but if something that large and flush with cash can be DDOSed to near unusability, then a small site sure can.

Tor is harder to DDoS, but not impossible.

You're thinking about this the wrong way. There's more than one way to skin a cat.
You can DDoS a website using more than just bandwidth. There are DDoS attacks that hammer the site itself...classic one is the Search query DDoS, searching uses a lot of resources. Done right from multiple hosts, you can use up all those resources.

Another tactic can depend on not just the bandwidth, but the available connections. Years ago when I was more of a dick on the internet, I got into some forum war and the competing forum had a very steady port 80, but their SSL port on 443 had a laughably low amount of connections allowed for their database. You would just open a socket to them, send ACK and when you got the SYN don't reply ACK back and it would hang the connection till timeout for about 5 minutes. I could tie up all connections from one shitty laptop and home broadband connection.

Of course, as the years go by that sort of stuff is harder to do and mitigated most places, but I imagine those darkweb sites that were getting targetted were getting some kind of resource DDoS rather than bandwidth.

 

[Manul Otocolobus]

No, it wouldn't be. They've DDoSed the site on Tor as well. Chelsea Manning, who is involved with the #DropKiwiFarms campaign, is a convicted cybercriminal who knows trannies who are former Tor employees, who have a grudge against Tor and know how to attack the network from within.

And again, I want ONE of these elitsts to come up with viable solutions for all the financial issues of running a site like KiwiFarms, with no access to mainstream payment processors, on top of KF crypto accounts (both Joshua Null's and those of Kiwis) being targeted.

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That ugly, disgusting criminal Bradley Manning, who should have been shipped to Guantanamo Bay and never heard from again, needs to power-wash his stink ditch, I can smell it through the screen.

 

[Nekoi.Inukuma.00]

A Kiwifarms without clearnet access is win for the troon army, but it's better than nothing. It might buy us time while the winds shift on them and their ideology.

However, in the sort of political and ideological warfare being waged against this little bastion of shitposting, if you're strictly playing defense, you're going to lose. After a particular point, people need to go on offense. Building parallel infrastructure is a good start. So is lawfare, lobbying, and to a lesser extent, public relations... although it could quickly devolve into gayops, which is a great reason to not go that route.

Building up organizations outside of the farms is an option, as the ACLU has been worthless on matters of liberty for a while, and despite the recent EFF article, their weak response with one of the authors shit-talking the article after it dropped makes it almost as worthless.

The Neal Rauhauser rabbit hole is wild. Dude is an actual criminal.

If the blogs of his detractors are to believed, he was SWATing people "before it was cool".
Having followed his antics since the BeanDog & Kimberlin days, I'm surprised at three things about this guy: how he's not in jail yet (archive), and how he's not broke + dead-in-a-ditch from legal judgements, and how he doesn't have a thread yet. My guess is, fed CI, fed CI, and DFE'ing.

If I remember the stories correctly he has judgements that should keep him from owning assets outside of a hard-to-collect states like Texas... which shouldn't be an option unless he's cleared up all that pesky back child support... in Texas. (archive.ph link)

There's a few of these very public "super hackers" like this, short on skills but big on ego... and the only reasoning I can think of for their level of Teflon is their willingness to work with the FBI/RCMP/etc... because it sure as fuck isn't OpSec.

(Also, while I was looking up my sources, I noticed that they apparently nuked the old Bullyville site for a "remodel"... probably because the owner got "fuck you money" from Netflix and Vice.)

 

[Inspector Rex]

Why not just do something like the fediverse? Multiple sites on multiple servers all documenting lolcows. They can't shut everyone down.

I thought about writing a IPFS-based forum with an lightweight frontend that can be shuffled around hostings and domains with ease, but:
1) The vast majority of people are not going to make any effort to participate.
2) The ones who are, risk getting compromised, doxxed and blacklisted just like Null, and even a single case will scare everyone off. Now, you can get away with it somewhere in Russia or Belarus - I don't think DDoS-Guard case is very representative, but that leaves us with even less people to participate.

 

[Vingle]

If Kiwifarms has any presence on the clearnet after all this it should be a basic HTML webpage with instructions on how to download Tor Browser. If you are too stupid to set up a web browser then you were never going to contribute anything to the site anyway.

Legit best suggestion. And people will know of the farms because they watch jewtubers that get all their content from the farms

It may just be a temporarily solution until Josh comes up with a better solution, but having all the farms on the clearnet is too big of a vulnerability to be worth it. Traffic may be a little slower, but that's better than no traffic at all.

 

[rodentia]

The trick is to make the Tor frontend the primary frontend. And all the clearweb domains are just pointing to reverse proxies which point into the Tor frontend.

This way the Tor website is accessible from the clearweb, and the troons can play whack-a-mole with the clearweb proxies and not affect the actual site.



Tor is harder to DDoS, but not impossible. And yes, it harms the entire network. Additionally the Tor network can be knocked offline entirely if someone manages to take down most of the directory authority servers. Colluding ISPs or government level entities can hypothetically do this.

I2P is much, much harder to DDoS than Tor, faster than Tor most of the time, and near impossible to knock offline as there are no dedicated directory authorities... And Josh won't use it for unfounded fears of imaginary CSAM (CP) spam attacks.

not a bad idea provided we can get it working seemlessly and without any security issues. Clearnet sites that can point and connect to TOR sites have existed before and itd be small enough to keep moving around if needed

 

[doodoocaca]

If KF falls, the community will scatter to various chans, and the same people will spring up in various places. There's also onionfarms that hilariously avoided the rage here for some reason. This isn't going away, it's just going to lead to balkanization and the usual effects where some fragments are radicalized and turn to gayops while others just point, laugh, and document.

I hope KF sticks around since it's become, somehow, a place to discuss banned topics like an adult even if you say offensive words non stop, in the company of people you otherwise can't talk to without people screeching. One thing I'd like to propose, even if Null would probably (and wisely) say "no, faggot", would be to reach out to KC Miller, Buck Angel, the EFF, and others, and try to just present The Goddamn Truth.

Also, yanno, tell Musk that his platform is being used to openly and wantonly conspire to commit crimes and attack free speech. That might be interdesting.

 

[$80 Nude Haircut]

Also, yanno, tell Musk that his platform is being used to openly and wantonly conspire to commit crimes and attack free speech. That might be interdesting.

Musk isn't Liberty Prime. He just wants to make Twitter more accessible which doesn't mean anything besides refusing to kowtow to cancellation mobs. Twitter is probably going to end up like a 4chan board except you still aren't allowed to discuss the Jews.

 

[doodoocaca]

Bruh can you go two fucking minutes without fondling your copy of The Protocols

 

[Nykysnottrans]

Waitaminute, I know that name.

Neal Rauhauser was one of Brett Kimberlin's butt-buddies. I do not know if he still has outstanding warrants, but back in 2012 he stopped showing up to support Kimberlin's court appearances because W.J.J. Hoge supplied the bailiffs with copies of Rauhauser's warrants.

Rauhauser was working with Kimberlin at Justice Through Music through 2012. This is an odd rabbit hole to go down.

I posted about Neal Rauhauser aka @AmericanHacker as soon as I noticed him here:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-endless-drum-beating.129023/post-12943036

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-endless-drum-beating.129023/post-12946640

All the links to Neal Rauhauser's known victims are there: Barrett Brown, Patterico, The Other McCain, Bullyville, etc.

 

[Polarity]

Better to go down than to limp along on Tor. If the people-of-gender manage to censor free speech on the clear-net, staying up on Tor gives them (and the government) an out. "See, it's still available, private parties just don't have to host dangerous speech!"

Let them have their Pyrrhic victory. They'll be the next ones censored anyway.