Feedback Null does not want a Tor-only Onionfarms. Here's why that's problematic.

[Nykysnottrans]

Here's something else I wanted to show you guys, since we're discussing DDoS attacks against Tor. I had posted these here before, but it's worth a repost.

Here's one of the #DropKiwiFarms hackers targeting the wrong Tor relay, claiming it belongs to KF even after being presented evidence to the contrary

Unfortuantely playing devil's advocate, this is a Tor relay and not the machine KiwiFarms is using and DDoSing is a crime in the United States. I have no sympathy for those who are playing the 'correct side' yet are doing the wrong things.

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https://twitter.com/souleducation/status/1567445805488918529

Yes, they will literally attack Tor just to take down KF:

These pieces of human trash actually would attack TOR, something people in other parts of the world rely on to survive, just to feed their complex.

https://twitter.com/JeffBates8/status/1567332305420566530

 

[Nykysnottrans]

There you go folks, didn't I tell you there were former disgruntled Tor employees with insider knowledge of the Tor Network working with #DropKiwiFarms to help them target Tor more effectively? Here you go, an ex-Tor employee openly working in concert with #DropKiwiFarms in their own words/tweets:


Source: https://twitter.com/_neelc/status/1587298194828177409

"I'm not as active in the Tor community as I once was, nowadays I am more about helping cybercriminals target Tor and destroy it for everyone thanks to my insider knowledge making the DDoS attacks more effective and lethal"


Source: https://twitter.com/_neelc/status/1587298831330603009

"Just because I contributed to Tor, doesn't mean I ain't gonna help a bunch of cybercriminals target and destroy what I once helped build"

So there you go: yes, they are DDoSing Tor just to get KF and yes, disgruntled former Tor employees are helping them do it.
It's not like they are hiding it. They are proud of destroying the Tor Network and the internet itself just to get KF.

 

[John Freeman]

There is not a single example of a successful Tor community. There might be 'good' communities, but they don't grow.

Growth isn't a great way to measure success in a community like ours. A better metric would be consistency of activity. If users are coming back and being active on a regular basis the community will be fine. Plus the best way to stick it to the trannies is to keep existing. I do hope the clearnet stays up though, because you're not wrong. Growth is nice, and keeps shit fresh. But don't be fooled into thinking that's the only significant factor at play in fostering a healthy community.

You keep putting out and new users will come.

 

[RSLUG30]

Let them have their Pyrrhic victory. They'll be the next ones censored anyway.

couldn't have worded it better myself.
while the online zeitgeist right now favors their side massively, they refuse to acknowledge that it can just as easily swing back to the other side, moreso when their actions are actively pissing off their opposition and not just the little guys either.
and when it does, they'll see and experience the monster that they have created, and they will complain and scream into the void just like we and others like us did.

 

[I Hate Anime Avatars]

Right now being in the clear net is gonna put a target on KF's backs. Not to mention it attracts retard newfags that need be trained. At this point it's either:

1. Keep on trying to get on the clear net and have tranny sickos take the site down and go further and further in taking Null down.
2. Go underground and limit the amount of people that get in and remain safe until the woke faggots go down before returning and risk the decay or the transformation of the site into an echo chamber.
3. Say enough is enough and make an exception about becoming the Autistic Illuminati and go on the offensive (within reason)

Personally I'd go with 2 and play it safe because these faggots the internet by the balls and it's gonna take someone or some entity with an enormous amount of power to punk these animals.

I agree, it seems to me like people are thinking in the short term here. Even if the site has to be on Tor or even go dormant for a time what's to say it can't return to the clearnet at a later date? Or at least until the rest of the Internet realises they should have paid attention to all this before it was too late for them as well.

I understand wanting to go out with a bang and not a Wings of Redemption style whimper, but the fact remains that once it's gone it's gone. If Null's final plan does fail why not bide our time for bit and see how things pan out instead of giving up completely or keep struggling against overwhelming odds until when/if the situation improves?

It's not just about airing Keffal's and Liz Dong Gone's dirty, dialation blood stained laundry for the sake of the children. Coming here to laugh along and knowing that such a place exists where I can laugh at retards and talk about said retards gives me more peace of mind than it ever possibly could in a sane world. There's nothing else like it and there almost certainly never will be again.

At the end of the day it's Null's choice and he should not feel forced to keep doing something if his heart's not in it anymore. But I still hope I can keep coming here to laugh and fill my head with useless knowledge about retards for years to come. I can't thank him enough for everything he's done keeping this place alive.

 

[Stoneheart]

Yes, they will literally attack Tor just to take down KF:

thats bad, but maybe also a chance. the kiwifarms relay has to look like a shady relay in langley. that maybe keeps the competent people from bothering Null and the rbings the stupid people to attack a relay run by very angry guys with no moral compass...

 

[std::string]

couldn't have worded it better myself.
while the online zeitgeist right now favors their side massively, they refuse to acknowledge that it can just as easily swing back to the other side, moreso when their actions are actively pissing off their opposition and not just the little guys either.
and when it does, they'll see and experience the monster that they have created, and they will complain and scream into the void just like we and others like us did.

This is what I always assumed would happen. I'm sure the the idea of intersectionality and uplifting black voices was well-meaning and all, but man it very obviously came from well-off white liberals who never talk to minorities unless they follow their proscribed woke liberal ideology.

Now journos stepped in it with Kanye and Kyrie Irving. Black Hebrew Israelites/Hoteps/Nation of Islam have been surging in popularity ever since COVID and now white people are finding out. I really hope this goes interesting places. They, obviously, are not huge fans of white people or troons or Jews or actually most other black people but we have to uplift black voices right and tell them they're heard, right?

 

[Wasbenzine]

couldn't have worded it better myself.
while the online zeitgeist right now favors their side massively, they refuse to acknowledge that it can just as easily swing back to the other side, moreso when their actions are actively pissing off their opposition and not just the little guys either.
and when it does, they'll see and experience the monster that they have created, and they will complain and scream into the void just like we and others like us did.

Unfortunately I don't think that sitting back and hoping that things will change or that the tide will turn achieves anything. Trannies are (manly) backed by the full force of globohomo, and in countries like America where business connections supercede morals that means you're getting deplatformed if you upset any of those faggots.

The sad truth is that the greater internet probably didn't even notice that Kiwifarms was gone for a week (silence from news outlets), shunned from the internet for committing the crime of ...?, now that we're back we need to catalogue the fuckers that refused service and make it clear they terminate their customers whimsically.

Besides, moving to Tor shows defeat. It's also a goverment-funded (and designed) network, why play directly in to the hands of glowies?

 

[Fake Steve Franssen]

There is not a single example of a successful Tor community. There might be 'good' communities, but they don't grow.

Looks like we're back on the .net

 

[SenutiSolidus]

couldn't have worded it better myself.
while the online zeitgeist right now favors their side massively, they refuse to acknowledge that it can just as easily swing back to the other side, moreso when their actions are actively pissing off their opposition and not just the little guys either.
and when it does, they'll see and experience the monster that they have created, and they will complain and scream into the void just like we and others like us did.

people keep saying this, that eventually politics will swing conservative or even fash, I just don't see it. Once progressives have achieved their goals it's hard to yank it back. You don't just take away rights from groups who fought for them. There will never be a repeal of the 19th amendment or the 15th. The only reason abortion suddenly became even the slightest bit murky is because the way those rights were achieved were built on a foundation of legal quicksand.

How do you expect the pendulum to swing back?

 

[AnOminous]

while the online zeitgeist right now favors their side massively, they refuse to acknowledge that it can just as easily swing back to the other side, moreso when their actions are actively pissing off their opposition and not just the little guys either.

Honestly, they could piss people like us off forever and nothing would happen. Even if troons became unpopular, we wouldn't become popular instead. Their real problem isn't pissing us off, it's that they're shitting all over normies in their frenzy to get at us.

 

[Owl Jolson]

Personally, I'm in favor of keeping it Tor-only if the clearnet site has to go offline. I know that Null would prefer an open, uncensored forum available to everyone (and that is the ideal) but, as is evident lately, it's not always feasable.

Realistically, the best course of action wouldn't be to just pull the site as a whole if the space on clearnet can't get its legs; if worse comes to worse, then go Tor-only and let the aggressors punch themselves out. Then, when they've tired themselves out and stopped giving a shit—which they will eventually—that is when you bring the clearnet site back.

There is not a single example of a successful Tor community. There might be 'good' communities, but they don't grow.

So, that would be the fine in this instance. You can have the .onion community around and active while we all wait for a good time to bring the rest of the site back up online; it may take months, but so be it. Sure, the community may not grow while it's only on Tor, but it will still be active enough while we wait for the re-introduction to the clearnet—i.e. we can probably keep it from dying as a whole.

Just my two cents. Maybe I'm just a retard, who knows.

 

[Retink Retunk]

There is not a single example of a successful Tor community. There might be 'good' communities, but they don't grow.

Might be a dumb question, but has a community as popular as KF ever moved to Tor only? I don't really use Tor but I would for this place and it could be a good way to promote tools like it, and there are a few places now populated by users who would direct people to the Tor KF that could draw in audiences externally.

Honestly, they could piss people like us off forever and nothing would happen. Even if troons became unpopular, we wouldn't become popular instead. Their real problem isn't pissing us off, it's that they're shitting all over normies in their frenzy to get at us.

That's part of the problem, for the most part people on here just want to have a good laugh and aren't really looking for a fight, those attacking the place treat it like they're storming Normandy. It's utterly retarded but until people realize that just because someone is passionate or screaming loudly doesn't mean they're right society will be fucked.

 

[Desu Mountain]

There is not a single example of a successful Tor community. There might be 'good' communities, but they don't grow.

There are numerous examples of communities that got absolutely massive on TOR. They got so massive Interpol started panicking (because they were all super fucking illegal). A few of them got so huge before being taken down by the glowies they even got mainstream attention, the first one of those being The Silk Road.

 

[Involuntary Celebrity]

"just take your own site off the web it'll be way better trust me" is the real fedposting

 

[CwMkCW]

There is not a single example of a successful Tor community. There might be 'good' communities, but they don't grow.

But this ones already big and its easy to access with Brave, kf deserves to live, you have worked so hard on it for so long, gone to such expense and effort, it'd be a crying shame to let it fade

 

[Nykysnottrans]

There are numerous examples of communities that got absolutely massive on TOR. They got so massive Interpol started panicking (because they were all super fucking illegal). A few of them got so huge before being taken down by the glowies they even got mainstream attention, the first one of those being The Silk Road.

The Silk Road was a digital black market. You're seriously claiming KF should aim to be... that?! It was people selling/buying illegal shit. That has literally nothing whatsoever to do with KF. I'd rather not see KF compared to a black market darknet site the owner of which tried to hire a contract killer. Like bitch please.

 

[Desu Mountain]

The Silk Road was a digital black market. You're seriously claiming KF should aim to be... that?! It was people selling/buying illegal shit. That has literally nothing whatsoever to do with KF. I'd rather not see KF compared to a black market darknet site the owner of which tried to hire a contract killer. Like bitch please.

You might want to learn to read.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

1. Tor keeps the normies out. Onion Farms could be like Studio 54 without the AIDS, drugs, overdoses, and dead hookers in the air vent.

The last thing this site needs is more terminally online people in echo chambers

 

[glow poster]

The worst bit about Tor is that the lack of high performance implementations and the network design makes it impossible to prevent low-cost denial of service attacks..

The lack of independent implementations means that the Tor Project could add the capability to restrict nodes based on community values.