Obligatory Zootopia Thread

Trilby said:
This is why I kinda wish the shock collars and Nick's dad were left in, but it's nice to see a doc. that laid it out for us at least.
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In a way, I would have liked to see that too; though I'm a sucker for cut content to begin with and pondering about what could have been. Considering though they were forming what was marketed as a movie in between the child/adult ratio, it would have been impossible to work out the original medium without it being very much in-your-face and preachy. On the other hand, they didn't want to make so subtle as to be impossible for anyone to pick up, then the movie becomes solely defined by its pun-humor, wisecrackery, and kiddie appeal. Another case, in this entire film's developmental process, where it could have gone full, hamfisted SJW or too kiddied to be enjoyable by more than the very young.

At least, that's as far as the collar concept seems like it would have gone, but the whole case with Nick's dad didn't seem like it would have necessarily needed to go hand in hand with that concept to work. For what they did do to justify his general outlook and mentality, it worked; so maybe having that little backstory with his generally well-meaning father would have been overkill.
 
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KidKitty said:
In a way, I would have liked to see that too; though I'm a sucker for cut content to begin with and pondering about what could have been. Considering though they were forming what was marketed as a movie in between the child/adult ratio, it would have been impossible to work out the original medium without it being very much in-your-face and preachy. On the other hand, they didn't want to make so subtle as to be impossible for anyone to pick up, then the movie becomes solely defined by its pun-humor, wisecrackery, and kiddie appeal. Another case, in this entire film's developmental process, where it could have gone full, hamfisted SJW or too kiddied to be enjoyable by more than the very young.

At least, that's as far as the collar concept seems like it would have gone, but the whole case with Nick's dad didn't seem like it would have necessarily needed to go hand in hand with that concept to work. For what they did do to justify his general outlook and mentality, it worked; so maybe having that little backstory with his generally well-meaning father would have been overkill.
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Well maybe one of these days we'll get a graphic novel telling this alternative Zootopia for the 'big kids' to enjoy.
 
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Trilby said:
Well maybe one of these days we'll get a graphic novel telling this alternative Zootopia for the 'big kids' to enjoy.
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I'd enjoy that thoroughly, I think someone did like a few fan pages, actually really well drawn and rendered, of a little nod to that scenario; where Nick has a dream about the alternate plotline based on what information of its progression we've gotten, and he has to call up Judy just to make sure something like that would never happen.

Edit: Found it
 
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KidKitty said:
I'd enjoy that thoroughly, I think someone did like a few fan pages, actually really well drawn and rendered, of a little nod to that scenario; where Nick has a dream about the alternate plotline based on what information of its progression we've gotten, and he has to call up Judy just to make sure something like that would never happen.
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I like to think it would be fun to divide the world between Zootopia and Bunnyburrow through color and aesthetic. I see Zootopoia as dark, cold and uneasy, while Bunnyburrow is bright, colroful, sort of etherial place a person like Nick might feel unconfortable with at first because of its set pattern and culture contained (a lot of happy rabbits running in and out of holes). Sorta of like something out of Little Nemo in Slumberland, the way I see it in my head.

The fan comic you cited is a good example of how to present such a GN where you could "pull the curtain back" and reveal why this story is what it is. It's a clever way to at least put it into something that could be seen as a terrible nightmare Nick had one night.
 
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Trilby said:
This is why I kinda wish the shock collars and Nick's dad were left in, but it's nice to see a doc. that laid it out for us at least.
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That scene with the polar bear cub being discouraged to get overly excited at his own birthday really moved me. The scene with young Nick being dragged away and his father desperately pleading with the officer was intense too. I can see why they didn't go with that version, but damn I wish I could have seen it finished.
 
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Ubiquitous said:
That scene with the polar bear cub being discouraged to get overly excited at his own birthday really moved me. The scene with young Nick being dragged away and his father desperately pleading with the officer was intense too. I can see why they didn't go with that version, but damn I wish I could have seen it finished.
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Oh, we all would (especially the polar bear bit). That why I think a graphic novel would've been a great route to tell this alternate Zootopia world and its apparent flaws.

I suppose though one thing we didn't need is Finnick in diapers. That saved a ton of fetish artwork there.
 
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Okay, so I saw it a second time and I managed to catch a lot of the references they discreetly put in there.

Oh, and apparently China and Russia are throwing a fit over it because of the movie's main message. They're saying it's US propaganda.
 
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Ubiquitous said:
That scene with the polar bear cub being discouraged to get overly excited at his own birthday really moved me. The scene with young Nick being dragged away and his father desperately pleading with the officer was intense too. I can see why they didn't go with that version, but damn I wish I could have seen it finished.
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Alright I know there's cut content but where is this
 
Shuu Iwamine said:
I didn't realize that racism was purely a US thing. China and Russia need to chill and just enjoy the cute movie with the bunny.
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It's a shame, of course Russia used to talk about our civil rights problems during the Cold War by showing how 'united' their people already were under Soviet Communist rule.

BTW, here's just the deleted scenes!
 
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I just got back from seeing it.

I greatly enjoyed how much restraint the filmmakers had. I liked how they stuck solely to only using mammals and how downplayed the symbolism in the film was. There was clearly a temptation to include other sorts of animals and to have a much heavier political message towards racism and prejudice. But the more down to Earth and simple story allows the film to appeal to more people and to avoid it becoming dated.

It's honestly the best 3D animated movie I've seen in a really long time. And I want to see it again.
 
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Watcher said:
I just got back from seeing it.

It's honestly the best 3D animated movie I've seen in a really long time. And I want to see it again.
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It's got that effect on people!
 
The_Doctor said:
Unless the generic Disney princess movie later this year does something special or unexpected, and unless the nostalgiafags somehow give Finding Dory enough money, I think Zootopia may be Oscar gold for Disney next year.
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We can hope. I'd love to see an animated insert of Nick and Judy at the Oscars presenting the Best Animated Short Film category myself.

EDIT: I think it would be kinda fun the way I have it planned out in my head. They would walk out on stage, get to the podium, but have a hard time using it because of their size until someone comes out with a soapbox or something for them to stand on! Be a pretty good effort to pull off over live TV, but it wouldn't be the first time such an attempt was done...

This effort though goes back almost 40 years ago but you get the idea.
 
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The_Doctor said:
Unless the generic Disney princess movie later this year does something special or unexpected, and unless the nostalgiafags somehow give Finding Dory enough money, I think Zootopia may be Oscar gold for Disney next year.
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Zootopia could have been utter garbage and it would still win the Animated Feature Oscar just because it's Disney.
 
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