DMZ ♀ Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread

[Love Machine]

"How does derailing the thread about hating men to talking about niggers save the white rice?"
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Agreed, oomfie, another banger take.

 

[Freya]

What specific piece of modern media are you referring to?

It also feels pretty... lonely and alienating, for lack of better words, to be a kid and have no media with people like you for no good reason (there's no reason everything has to be a sausage fest with women as slightly more than half the human population). Especially when you get shat on for who you are, it's nice to have anything showing that it's ok to be a masculine girl or w/e.

Idk about anyone else, but as a kid I was beyond sick of everything being a sausagefest and female characters just being tokens who got the least screentime and development. It gets boring when every cartoon has a male protagonist and an entirely male cast aside from one or two token girls.

Tokenism sucks, but it doesn't mean we should stop having any characters that aren't straight white dudes.

It's a classic case of conflation.

"There should be a wider variety of female characters so girls growing up can see they can be all sorts of different stuff."
"Oh yeah, you want every character to be an obese gender fluid black woman?"

I don't get the logic. Don't be "fragile" and let every interesting role be male because your daughter won't pick up on that? This isn't a black and white thing. I don't think even the crazy 2015 SJWs were telling girls they can ONLY relate to female role models and can't find a man's work interesting. I have seen my nieces and nephews act out Disney movies and correct each other for not playing a role right. Kids are little sponges that absorb what the adults tell them.

When I was a kid, we had contractors come to our house and fuck up renovating the 2nd floor. My dad said "Those fucking contractors. Those con men." I thought "contractor" was a bad word until I was like 13 lol

 

[Stan]

Wait til you find out about Hamilton

lmao good one.

The idea that unless you can see yourself exactly in a character you can’t relate to them is bizarre. It shows a complete lack of theory of mind and imagination.

I actually do not think this is why some people (like me) are happy to see more female characters in the movies.
For example: Fargo. I like the character Marge Gunderson, but not because I think I'm a homicide detective. Representation isn't solely about individual identification with your POC characters. I get that you are a smart person gainfully employed in STEM, but your reasoning as to why womz and blacks want representation in their media is really shallow.

The woman who wrote twilight (which is also dreck) is on record as saying that she wrote Bella as being a kind of void, so that a woman reading would easily imprint her personality in the space where the character should have been.

Twilight is not the end-all be-all of English literature featuring female characters. Bella is not the platonic ideal of female characters. She works in the YA environment that she's been written into, and Stephanie Meyer has been pretty clear that Twilight is her wish fulfillment fantasy written down. And in that context, Bella's character or lack thereof is fine.

I find it really interesting that people insist they can’t relate to a character unless she is exactly them or that they can’t follow a path unless there’s someone exactly like them already on it. It seems a form of infantilisation to me.

I think you're deliberately refusing to get this because it infringes on your Great Replacement flavored white persecution complex.

I don't want to see niggers anywhere ever. I want everyone to be European. I am going to throw Stan's retard hapa sperglet into a trash compactor.

yes yes and you are an angry egg carton cat lady move along.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

I just don't understand why everyone gets so heated about the amount of melanin in actors but nobody cares if a movie outright makes retarded shit up, like for example, that Mel Gibson somehow secretly cucked the English succession despite Queen Isabella not even being born in time for his movie.

I also think a black Anne Boleyn is super cringe and shouldn't happen, but I don't think I've ever seen a historical fiction that doesn't just make up lies, sometimes to push an agenda, sometimes seemingly at random, but the only time people ever seem to notice or care is when somebody goes and makes a spicy casting call.

I mean to continue britting up the thread, there's actually been a massive slapfight for several years now about a Richard III book + movie that had no black people in it.

 

[Wu-Terf Clan]

This community unfortunately mostly seems to attract extremely generic guys with few redeemable qualities.

I dont think this is kiwifarm's fault in specific. Literally any community I've been in that allowed men and trannies has this issue. The issue is that most men are boring and mid.

The "male loneliness epidemic" is literally what nature intended, for women to be gatekeepers and to only pick the best men to fuck. The only difference is that this community is more alt right and pro eugenics but dumb enough to think they wouldn't be killed in the next gas chambers for being untermensch.

 

[Second Missing Primarch]

The only difference is that this community is more alt right and pro eugenics but dumb enough to think they wouldn't be killed in the next gas chambers for being untermensch.

I'm never sure which is funnier, those cretins or the champagne socialists and r/communism trannies who think that they'll get to be Twitch streamers and community leaders when the revolution happens and are blissfully unaware that they'll be some of the first against the wall for being useless bourgeois parasites.

 

[Stan]

"There should be a wider variety of female characters so girls growing up can see they can be all sorts of different stuff."
"Oh yeah, you want every character to be an obese gender fluid black woman?"

"We should put a speed bump up in that spot where everybody drives their cars too fast around the bend"
"Oh yeah, what are you, some kind of CAR NAZI?! Muh persunal freedom!"

The "male loneliness epidemic" is literally what nature intended, for women to be gatekeepers and to only pick the best men to fuck. The only difference is that this community is more alt right and pro eugenics but dumb enough to think they wouldn't be killed in the next gas chambers for being untermensch.

Honestly I think most of the guys are supposed to perish laboring to build their buildings and mine coal and going to war; because you don't need that many males to keep a human gene pool reasonably healthy. 4:1 or 5:1 would probably be fine.

 

[Love Machine]

"We should put a speed bump up in that spot where everybody drives their cars too fast around the bend"
"Oh yeah, what are you, some kind of CAR NAZI?! Muh persunal freedom!"

Honestly I think most of the guys are supposed to perish laboring to build their buildings and mine coal and going to war; because you don't need that many males to keep a human gene pool reasonably healthy. 4:1 or 5:1 would probably be fine.

The human sex ratio is nearly 50/50

 

[Otterly]

but your reasoning as to why womz and blacks want representation in their media is really shallow.

Ok, why do they need it? Explain why one must see oneself represented exactly in every single niche without it infantilising the watcher. It’s saying to girls that unless you see people there who are just like you you can’t have it. Not ‘ I see that guy carving replica bosses for the cathedral /digging up some archeology and I’d like to do that because it looks fun.’
And they have it, by the way. Massive over representation on British TV . There is no representation lack, only over representing https://archive.is/vHzZr
It’s a bit like the weirdness in knitting about size ranges. If someone designs patterns that only go xs-xl they get dogpiled. Every single designer must design in every single size regardless of whether it suits a smaller or larger frame or scales up. A more sensible framework would be that if there’s a market for large sizes, or small sizes, or tall fits or short, that some designers might specialise in that, and that across the market, you’d always be able to find something just right for you.
I’ve never heard anyone come up with a reason for why I need to see ‘people like me’ on telly that doesn’t boil down to sexism

 

[Stan]

The human sex ratio is nearly 50/50

Yeah. What I mean to say is that a bunch of men can get killed mining the coal and fighting the war and hunting those mammoths; and even if there were half as many of you (because you died) the human race could still probably get on without too much trouble.

 

[Love Machine]

Yeah. What I mean to say is that a bunch of men can get killed mining the coal and fighting the war and hunting those mammoths; and even if there were half as many of you (because you died) the human race could still probably get on without too much trouble.

Just because something can work doesnt not mean it is good or desirable. Children CAN grow to be well balanced individuals in single family homes as well.

forgive the double post but I cant edit and I meant to say single parent homes.

 

[Lidl Drip]

Unsurprisingly women make much better leaders because women are more responsible, show empathy to their employees instead of playing out some power fantasy and don't have random testosterone fueled tardouts or pick their employees based on who gives them the biggest boner/who they want to go golfing with.


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[Stan]

Ok, why do they need it? Explain why one must see oneself represented exactly in every single niche without it infantilising the watcher.

I think Freya explained it pretty well, and I did too. But if you need to read it again.

Representation isn't solely about individual identification with your POC characters.

The idea of representation in your media isn't 1:1 monkey see, monkey do (though there is some of that, especially with kid's media.)
It's because a story whose cast of characters lists more "Daves" than women, is likely a very boring and formulaic story.

It’s saying to girls that unless you see people there who are just like you you can’t have it. Not ‘ I see that guy carving replica bosses for the cathedral /digging up some archeology and I’d like to do that because it looks fun.’

Look I get that you had to bike to school uphill both ways and be performatively sexist in your career for the men to take you seriously, and more power to you. But the representation actually does matter to kids. They're extremely concrete thinkers, so the extrapolation you're describing is outside of their ability.

And they have it, by the way. Massive over representation on British TV . There is no representation lack, only over representing

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I think you're deliberately refusing to understand this because it infringes on your Great Replacement flavored white persecution complex.

 

[Otterly]

but nobody cares if a movie outright makes retarded shit up, like for example, that Mel Gibson somehow secretly cucked the English succession despite Queen Isabella not even being born in time for his movie.

There was a lot in the media about that at the time, and about how bad his accent was. The Kevin Costner Robin Hood movie was also widely panned for his absolutely shocking accent (to be totally fair, the Nottingham accent is difficult, but we’d have accepted generic English.)
I don’t think anyone minded Morgan freeman in that one, I mean ok, he’s back from the crusades and that’s not quite what moorish means but whatever, it could have happened and the character serves as a ‘ I was in foreign places and thus am badass crusader’ trope. But Costner’s accent lives forever in infamy . Absolutely dire. Gor bloimey Mary poppins!

 

[Wu-Terf Clan]

If every doctor on TV is male, a girl watching that is going to go "mommy can women be doctors?" because that's how 5 year olds think. Media is important, representation is important. media shapes how we think on a fundamental level. idk why people pretend otherwise

I legit thought women couldn't join the army until I met my first army recruiter lmao

Explain why one must see oneself represented exactly in every single niche without it infantilising the watcher.

My sister in christ are you one of those people that is incapable of having an imagination or are you against having fun? Were you never stuck in a boring bus ride and daydreamed about self inserting yourself into some stupid story as a mary sue and solving all the plot points? Are you not tired that every time you want to go to the cinema its yet another story about some white guy that has a love interest who has 0 personality traits besides "shes pretty" and that you don't see any actresses over 40 anywhere?

Yes, when it's done poorly, it's lame, but that's not the point anyone is trying to make. And sometimes even a gender swap makes things more interesting. I don't think alien would have been as successful and iconic if Ripley was a man.

anyway, the reason she called me was because she didn't want her family to know and also because her scrote, her sperm-donor, was being a gross moid about the whole thing, and no, he's not interested in having kids, either.

Lol tell her to just buy a vibrator next time and skip the man.

Unsurprisingly women make much better leaders because women are more responsible, show empathy to their employees instead of playing out some power fantasy and don't have random testosterone fueled tardouts or pick their employees based on who gives them the biggest boner/who they want to go golfing with.

"wOmEn mAtUrE fAsTer" "no not like that!!! i meant only when im talking about fucking underage children!!!!" ugh

 

[Stan]

Just because something can work doesnt not mean it is good or desirable. Children CAN grow to be well balanced individuals in single family homes as well.

TBH I think the family unit that is the Farms would work much better if we select-cut half the moids from the user registry.
What I'm trying to illustrate is that men are canned labor and reproductive serfs compared to women. If a bunch of them die in war while the women and children chill in Helm's Deep, that society will recover. If we reversed this and spared all the men but decimated the women, that society will have real problems surviving with so few women available to have kids.
This is why women are more important than men. You guys who complain about being cannon fodder are 85% right, because they are throwaways whose only purpose is to labor, but it's done in service of wealthy patriarchs, not scheming women.

 

[Freya]

Ok, why do they need it? Explain why one must see oneself represented exactly in every single niche without it infantilising the watcher. It’s saying to girls that unless you see people there who are just like you you can’t have it.

well, I explained my reasoning pretty thoroughly. I KNOW you saw it. And you KNOW nobody in here is saying you "need to be represented exactly in every single niche"

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

Unfortunately none of this really applies to me but I think you might be on to something in that I am simply not the millenial / xer ideal. I'm a tail end millenial. I don't do a lot of make-up or jewellery or blonde either. Blonde stigma probably from porn. I think I just give the impression that I won't stand up for myself.

The vibe thing is the hardest since you cant change it, I feel you . I am always seen as retarded no matter how many languages I speak and how many times i can hold college level lecture on history and politics on a language that isnt even my mother tongue mostly because the vibe I give ( i am certified mentally ill) people often conflate lots of things like meekness is weakenss, mental illness means you are stupid, aloofness as being a bitch , politeness as flirting etc . There is not much to do beyond going full bitch mode.

 

[Love Machine]

TBH I think the family unit that is the Farms would work much better if we select-cut half the moids from the user registry.
What I'm trying to illustrate is that men are canned labor and reproductive serfs compared to women. If a bunch of them die in war while the women and children chill in Helm's Deep, that society will recover. If we reversed this and spared all the men but decimated the women, that society will have real problems surviving with so few women available to have kids.
This is why women are more important than men. You guys who complain about being cannon fodder are 85% right, because they are throwaways whose only purpose is to labor, but it's done in service of wealthy patriarchs, not scheming women.

This logic is flawed and short sighted. Everything is superior in balance. People with chips on their shoulder say otherwise.

 

[Dyn]

TBH I think the family unit that is the Farms would work much better if we select-cut half the moids from the user registry.
What I'm trying to illustrate is that men are canned labor and reproductive serfs compared to women. If a bunch of them die in war while the women and children chill in Helm's Deep, that society will recover. If we reversed this and spared all the men but decimated the women, that society will have real problems surviving with so few women available to have kids.
This is why women are more important than men. You guys who complain about being cannon fodder are 85% right, because they are throwaways whose only purpose is to labor, but it's done in service of wealthy patriarchs, not scheming women.

Wait are you genuinely arguing for the anime harem trope to replace the nuclear family?