Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread

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The other day, I was talking with a loved one who is a tiktok user and she asked me a question that had been trending:

If you were in the middle of the woods, would you rather meet a bear or a man?

I thought for a moment and chose the bear. My reasoning was that in the worst situation with a bear, I could at least have a chance if it was a black bear because I could scream and try to be big and potentially scare it away. In the worst situation with a man, I don't really have a chance and would be tortured, kidnapped, raped, and/or killed by the man. At that point, I'd rather be mauled by the bear instead.

Apparently a lot of women are choosing the bear over the man as well and it's causing a lot of men to get butthurt over the internet and it's pretty funny. Every time women show men how terrified we are of them, men get upset and say our opinions are faulty. Even though they probably know at least one guy in their life that they wouldn't let their children and/or female loved ones go near them.
The bear vs man thing is hilarious, it has so many men foaming at the mouth. I do agree it needs to be fleshed out. What kind of bear? Are both man and bear aggressive by default? Is it a bear with cubs? Am I armed? If I'm unarmed, I'd take a mauling from an aggressive bear over being raped, imprisoned, and/or killed by a man. If it's a random man who MIGHT be a rapist and an aggressive bear, I guess I'd roll the dice and hope the man isn't a psycho. If I'm armed, I choose the man. I think senseless, brutal attacks from humans are infinitely more difficult to mentally recover from than an animal. If a bear kills me it is either protecting its cubs or hungry; it's not getting hard at the thought of my suffering and it's not going to revisit the kill site to jerk one out. Why is this so hard for men to understand?

To bring up the instance of the incompetent man throwing the crock pot meal into the bare pot. I brought this up to my dad in a "haha can you imagine" way because he had made a crock pot meal for the family and before I could even finish recounting he goes, "Heh, that will teach her." Straight from the horse's mouth.
 
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There is more discourse on the bear discussion.
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Maybe for libshits. A true racist would still take the bear. Importing a million bears would fix the deer stripping our plant life dry. California made its bears go extinct. Make California have bears again!

I'm sure women chose to send all manufacturing overseas vs men in board rooms adopting NAFTA and free trade, mostly dominated by men.

They keep threatening us with a good time re the woods.

This guy makes the classic argument of, "men don't do this because rape is illegal. If it was, there's nothing you can do to stop it." Proving the bear discourse.

It gets better. Hollowearthterf provided this thread, where a moid DIDN'T EVEN READ THE SOURCE HE CITED.
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- study is flawed
- references another study that disagrees with him right in the opening paragraph
- doubles down because male arrogance




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Data around certain men being rapists is wrong, but him throwing out stats as to why women are ruthless baby killers is air tight. Such a grey area!

His own fucking source showed around 4-16% of male college students admitted to a rape. Do tell us about male arrogance.
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Regarding the Lauren Southern/RW women discourse:
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>Lol women respond primarily to what makes them feel. Typical!

Your whole e-movement wants to revoke women's right and sees women as subhuman, because its fueled by your grudge being mad about some literally who 15-20 year old Tumblrites calling you trash after being exposed to babby's first reading of a book written by Andrea Dworkin and California based silver spoon journos pumping out articles that are equivalent to junk food saying "ugh white men amirite??" 10 years ago.

You are driven by pure anger to the point you glee at idea of women and little girls being assaulted by some violent person of the lower economic class, that you oh-so allegedly despise for being violent and savage, because you still want to one up some random Tumblr libfem who posted Sailor Moon pics with captions such as "Boys are so stinky!" 10 years ago and hasn't left your mind since then. Do you really want to go with the meme of how women are so emotional and overreact when they feel that they are in a hostile environment, when the foundation of your world view and your e-movement is pure seething and inability to accept criticism without you projecting or doing whataboutism?

Something, something, people that shouldn't be throwing stones from glass houses, but let's be all real, glass houses are too good for these gimps, they are throwing stones from a sandcastle that can be destroyed by a big wave of feltening in an instant.
 
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What the fuck are they feeding the moids over there? Hopefully he runs afoul of a few neo-nazis.
I ask myself this everyday and I come from pajeet-motherland if it wasn't evident already. what you wish is too optimistic, seeing as how browntards from south asia, ME and Turkey move to Germany in droves and nothing is done to stop that. Maybe german scrotes realized poojeet degeneracy match their own and they're fine with it.

Thinking about the topic upthread on pushback against racism vs. pushback against misogyny, I remember this video I saw just today.


This youtuber is a bit of a pickme troonmaiden but I enjoy her autistic ramblings on random hasbeen youtubers. That being said, this video was pretty interesting. She's obviously talking about Pearl the pickme queen, however, a large chunk of her video is oh ColOniALisM and racism and how Pearl stole a bunch of her ideas from buhlack-manosphere and a niggar chode called Sara (kek) garvey. Sara goes on a moidrage rant about "muh colonialism" due to how a white woman stole talking points and reparations from a black man. yes hating woman is bad but won't anyone think of the niggars??

Brown and black men are coddled to the high heavens, it's fucking unreal.
 
DIDN'T EVEN READ THE SOURCE HE CITED.
Ironically, that second study is much more concerning than what he is trying to rebut because if 4-16% admit to having committed or attempt to commit a rape, then that number has to also be adjusted upwards for the non-insignificant number of rapists who do not consider their assaults to be rape (narcissist predators who believe the victim secretly wanted it).

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Lisak gets pushback from bleeding-hearts and lolberts because he identified that the majority of sexual assaults are committed by serial predators that are incapable of rehabilitation and are able to act undetected:

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>man continuously cheats on his wife with porn
>they make an arrangement that she gets to cheat too
>he is uncomfortable because his buddies call him a cuck
>She offers an arrangement where they are both faithful to each other
>He calls this unreasonable and demands he gets to cheat on her still while she doesn't


Lmao men are such clowns, just murder him at this point.
 
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>man continuously cheats on his wife with porn
>they make an arrangement that she gets to cheat too
>he is uncomfortable because his buddies call him a cuck
>She offers an arrangement where they are both faithful to each other
>He calls this unreasonable and demands he gets to cheat on her still while she doesn't


Lmao men are such clowns, just murder him at this point.
She said her husband prefers "short, skinny, massive rack" but she's the opposite, how do they get married anyway? I bet she found this out based on his taste in porn and "thirst trap manga" (I'm guessing code word for loli hentai)
Quite a tragedy when you get told you're a cuck by other loli hentai enjoyers.
Women need to brutally reject weeaboos and gamers.
Speaking of, what do they mean by this?

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She said her husband prefers "short, skinny, massive rack" but she's the opposite, how do they get married anyway?
Because most men get married just for the comfort and free labor a woman provides, while they just keep their virtual harem of anime and porn women to satisfy their sexual preferences. That's also why men stay with their wife that they despise instead of leaving her, because they need the personal chef, cleaning lady, event organizer, childcare and personal asisstent that makes their life infinitely better and easier. Meanwhile most women who start to become unhappy in their relationship just divorce their husbands because they don't really need him.

Men's preferences also aren't as set in stone as they like to pretend, they are easily influenced by changing porn trends or by what other men on the Internet consider based or cringe.
 
"Women thirst after 'bad guys' in film/TV/books so they secretly want an abusive man who will rape/hit/verbally abuse them and treat them like shit. This is because women are retards who are just instinctively drawn to the strongest guy in the room."

I know we've brought this up in the thread several times, but I am seeing this take increasingly often. Idk if it's because of the Fallout 4 ghoul or what. But I cannot fathom sincerely believing something this stupid. Men will bloviate about how a killer/rapist/woman-beater actually flips the "this guy is a good protector" switch in a woman's brain, but the issue with this line of thinking is that killers/rapists/woman-beaters are the exact opposite of a protector. It also shows a complete lack of understanding what people like in fiction vs what people like in reality. This inability to comprehend fiction vs reality shouldn't surprise me given how porn has warped most men's view of women and sex, but it still does.
Man here(unless that’s against the rules?). I don’t see any. Ah it is, oh well.

I don’t think anyone argues women consciously prefer this sort of thing. But they respect it at the primal subconscious level.

Like the bully in HS-who beats some dude up, consciously his girlfriend is telling him to stop, subconsciously she’s aroused.

But I could also bring up every male archetype women fantasize about-billionaire sociopaths, vampires, pirates, rogues, corsairs, dominant muscle men barbarians, NFL athletes and gangsters(or gang bangers).

There are probably studies on the issue somewhere, but it is known for a fact men with more muscle mass and definition have more sex. (Anyone who ever went to college or HS could tell you that).

You may deny you are attracted to the sort of man who could break your spine in half with a giggle on his face and consciously, in accordance with social norms and conditioning you are not, but just read the sort of smut women write.

It’s always the dominant dangerous men-the sort of men who are good at and relish violence.

And before you say ā€œporn brainā€ erotica and romance novels are entirely almost written for a female audience in mind.

If women were attracted to soft spoken peacemakers or port bellied office drones then we would see evidence of this stretching back to the beginning of civilization. We do not.

We do see women attracted to violent, dangerous and rough men in spades.
 
If women were attracted to soft spoken peacemakers or port bellied office drones then we would see evidence of this stretching back to the beginning of civilization. We do not.

We do see women attracted to violent, dangerous and rough men in spades.
You're referring to the Dark Triad - a series of traits in psychology that women supposedly are attracted to. However, they really aren't. There's a difference between a dangerous man who beats someone up to protect his girlfriend vs one who will beat her up because his narcissistic personality was threatened. The bully in highschool who beat people for fun won't earn long term mates - he'll get a record, alimony, and child support.

Women prefer the "dad" type - the warrior in the garden archetype. The himbo, or the jock who is an absolute sweetheart. These archetypes are prevalent in erotica and fanfiction written by women. They're men who won't harm their women - that's the draw.

IRL gang bangers often put women in acid baths or bury them alive. That's a no from me, dawg.
 
There are some women who are attracted to serial killers or school shooters (mostly teenagers on Tumblr). But the fantasy is always "I can fix him" and "But deep inside he is actually good and also he would never do that to ME! I would be sooooo special that I could bring out the good in him!" They don't fantasize about being beaten and murdered by the guy themselves.

And the women who date gangbangers and drug addicts are usually on drugs themselves and from broken homes and don't know any other types of men cause their daddy beat them and did drugs since they were little. You don't really see women from a good home going for those guys because "omg so sexy and dangerous".

Also the whole "I can fix him" thing isn't exclusive to women at all, hence why men go absolutely nuts for BPD trainwrecks with threads on here constantly.
 
I don’t think anyone argues women consciously prefer this sort of thing. But they respect it at the primal subconscious level.
No they don't

Like the bully in HS-who beats some dude up, consciously his girlfriend is telling him to stop, subconsciously she’s aroused.
No she isn't

But I could also bring up every male archetype women fantasize about-billionaire sociopaths, vampires, pirates, rogues, corsairs, dominant muscle men barbarians, NFL athletes and gangsters(or gang bangers).
A fantastic example of my point that men do not understand what women like in fiction/fantasy vs what women want in reality

There are probably studies on the issue somewhere, but it is known for a fact men with more muscle mass and definition have more sex. (Anyone who ever went to college or HS could tell you that).
Multiple studies have shown that women gravitate to dad bod types more than ripped gymbros

You may deny you are attracted to the sort of man who could break your spine in half with a giggle on his face and consciously, in accordance with social norms and conditioning you are not, but just read the sort of smut women write.
Another example of being unable to distinguish between fiction and reality

If women were attracted to soft spoken peacemakers or port bellied office drones then we would see evidence of this stretching back to the beginning of civilization. We do not.

We do see women attracted to violent, dangerous and rough men in spades.
You seem to be under the delusion that men are either a fat, pussy office drone or a violent gangbanger. This is not true. Both men are unattractive to women.
 
We do see women attracted to violent, dangerous and rough men in spades.
Have you ever wondered why this might be? Definitely must be because women are stupid irrational whores, right? Incels are subhuman retard faggots who don’t perceive half of humanity as human. This logic comes straight from them. Remember that and don’t be one.

I will explain the answer. When confronted with a monster, which these men are, who is physically capable of outfighting your fight response and outrunning your run response, you’ve got a third option: fawn. Be his favorite bitch and maybe he won’t rape or kill you. Don’t hurt his ego and maybe he’ll turn that violent retard strength and hateful scheming brain towards the other men like him who might hurt you instead of you directly.

If you don’t bend over backwards to try to keep him docile, he or another rape ape will outfight your fight or outrun your run and rape or kill you. This is what the mind subconsciously understands and fears. This is also sufficiently fucked up to launch any woman who become aware of this thinking over the despair event horizon. To avoid this they will turn to other psychological devices that usually aren’t true but serve as a reason their minds can accept: ā€œI can fix him,ā€ ā€œNormal men don’t want me but I have a chance with this guy,ā€ ā€œEven the most evil man can be redeemed with a good woman and if I can do it maybe I’m worth something after all,ā€ ā€œIf I can get him to not hurt ME it means I’m special,ā€ etc.

(You will have noticed many of these reasons involve logic based around low self esteem, which abuse at the hands of a man instills, and is easily re-enforced by many facets of society which demean and diminish women who don’t match a particular mold in ways too subtle for the average man to notice or care about. But this is an aside.)

Is thirsting after an insane violent moid the best option if a woman wants to be protected from insane violent moids? Hell no. But for some women it seems like the only option, especially if they’ve been abused by men before and are running purely on instinct to survive. The abused risk-calculating mind knows that a man who isn’t capable of violence isn’t going to be able to protect her from one of these psychopaths if it ever sets its sights on her, her children or anything that she loves.

This is, of course, specifically the territory of the psychology of fear and traumatized victims, not women. It’s extremely grim and telling that this is so commonly conflated with the psychology of women as a whole.

As for the women I know, they would rather shoot the rape nigger in the face than be his pet, and find the porn you’re discussing revolting and dehumanizing, not sexy in the slightest.
 
Man here(unless that’s against the rules?). I don’t see any. Ah it is, oh well.

I don’t think anyone argues women consciously prefer this sort of thing. But they respect it at the primal subconscious level.

Like the bully in HS-who beats some dude up, consciously his girlfriend is telling him to stop, subconsciously she’s aroused.

But I could also bring up every male archetype women fantasize about-billionaire sociopaths, vampires, pirates, rogues, corsairs, dominant muscle men barbarians, NFL athletes and gangsters(or gang bangers).

There are probably studies on the issue somewhere, but it is known for a fact men with more muscle mass and definition have more sex. (Anyone who ever went to college or HS could tell you that).
There's plenty of women who like soft-spoken peacemakers, the reason why it's not in the erotica books is because it's much harder to pornify conflict resolution and genuine respect. I don't even know how to properly show this, other than telling you to get out of the house and talk to some church ladies or something.

And no shit on the muscle mass/definition thing- putting beauty standards aside, nobody likes it when the fat bastard who can hardly thrust properly has to take a breather in the middle of "railing" you because of how little exercise he does.
 
Stop earnestly answering this retard. He couldn't be arsed to read the last 5 or so pages where literally all his idiotic points were deconstructed. He's not here to learn a thing, but to WELL ACKCHUALLY to us about the same dumb shit they all like to believe.
He may be retarded, but the lurkers reading along in the back could be experiencing some glimmerings of understanding with every reinforced point. I prefer to post not for the benefit of the person I quote but for whoever is reading the thread now or in the future.
 
There's plenty of women who like soft-spoken peacemakers, the reason why it's not in the erotica books is because it's much harder to pornify conflict resolution and genuine respect.
It is however in all the romance movies that women love where a gorgeous woman falls for a funny, charming but pretty average looking guy (usually Adam Sandler or Tom Hanks) because he does some grand romantic gesture for her. Somehow men love to ignore that and only focus on erotica (honestly don't know any women who actually read that type of stuff but maybe that's a generational thing). Probably because men are sex obsessed and read erotica to find out "what women like" and then ofc only end up reading stuff that THEY like.
 
One further point, you argue ā€œdistinguishing fantasy and realityā€ as if there is a meaningful separation between the two.

Fantasy is simply a reality unrealized and yet dreamt.

Every man who dreams of cleansing the world in blood and having a harem of a million submissive whores would in a heartbeat, take that opportunity if it were presented to him. (You know like in Isekai fiction). If women could be swept off their feat and taken away from their mundane lives by a dashing rogue with a 15 inch dick and arms like redwood trunks, very few if any would refuse.

As for the notion women are attracted to violence as a trauma response-why have cultured, posh women always been attracted to barbarians? I could bring up the Kommeniad, or the Danelaw, or even post occupation Japan. Women throw themselves at the feat of the conqueror. Perhaps out of fear, but whoever said fear and attraction are entirely separate things?
 
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