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I’m cross posting this from the feminism discussion thread because that thread isn’t very active.
Do you think that a man can be an ally to women/feminism?. If so, what would that look like?
I think simply being empathetic goes a long way, but too many guys get way too defensive when women talk about their bad experiences with men and why they have a hard time trusting them and are like, "But not me! Why would you stereotype men when I'm not like that at all?"
 
I think simply being empathetic goes a long way, but too many guys get way too defensive when women talk about their bad experiences with men and why they have a hard time trusting them and are like, "But not me! Why would you stereotype men when I'm not like that at all?"
I don’t quite get defensive, I start worrying if I am like that and just don’t know it.
 
I’m cross posting this from the feminism discussion thread because that thread isn’t very active.
Do you think that a man can be an ally to women/feminism?. If so, what would that look like?
A feminist man supports women when amoung men. He puts himself and his reputation on the line with other men to fight sexism and misogyny. He warns women about his fuckboy relatives or friends and calls those men out out on their behavior. Better yet, he doesn't have any fboy, or coomer, friends because he doesn't tolerate that behavior. At work he notices and takes steps to mitigate sexual harassment or general sexist behavior by men toward women. He's on teh lookout for predators in his social circles and tries to help women who have to deal with them. One example of an ally is Graham Linehan. He fought for years and lost his career, his wife and a lot of friends to fight against troons. However, a man can be a feminist ally in one area of his life and a sexist pig in others, so you can't really trust them.
 
Women are more likely to commit mass suicide than throw themselves at conquerors tbh
Some accounts of the Siege of Suiyang state that women offered themselves up to the soldiers as food out of a sense of duty to the Tang dynasty. But do we actually believe this ludicrous story?
More likely than the stories of women committing mass suicide, I think, is that conquerors simply go on a rampage. We know from the rape of Nanking that even civilised men will turn into complete savages when given the opportunity. But I might just be letting my personal opinion on suicide colour my view.
 
Some accounts of the Siege of Suiyang state that women offered themselves up to the soldiers as food out of a sense of duty to the Tang dynasty. But do we actually believe this ludicrous story?
More likely than the stories of women committing mass suicide, I think, is that conquerors simply go on a rampage. We know from the rape of Nanking that even civilised men will turn into complete savages when given the opportunity. But I might just be letting my personal opinion on suicide colour my view.
Firsthand accounts from Germany as the Soviets invaded at the end of WW2 include reports of many women committing suicide to avoid rapemurder. I highly doubt that's the only conflict that's resulted in that.
 
Literally why? That's only a punishment for them because they can't be perpetually horny like the usually want to be. I mean most men don't think past their penis. Does the shorter sex chromosome remove all the genes for not being retarded or what?
Because the desire to shame in revenge for some real or imagined (individual or generalized) slight has, for some, become an obsession.

Imagine what putting all that energy into something not negative could do.
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"Alimony." Another canard.

Guess what percentage of divorces have spousal maintenance?

10%, as of 2015.

What was it at its high, 60 years ago?

25%.

And that was when fewer than 40% of women were in the workforce at all, less so married women or married mothers, and even if working women were usually making a pittance, especially relative to a male spouse (except at the lowest economic rungs, in which it was more likely for both to work and both to make a pittance) .

But assume that all of that is ex-husbands paying ex-wives. 25% support 60 years ago to (maybe) 10% now. It has never been the case that men are, by and large, grossly and unfairly "punished" with alimony in divorce court.

Men's share of those 25%-now-10%-max alimony-ordered divorces increased from 0.5% in 2000 to 3% in 2010. In a survey by the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers, 45 percent of divorce lawyers noted that they had seen a rise in the number of ex-wives paying alimony since 2014, so > 3% now. Of course it's lopsided, due to common marital dynamics about who stays home/takes care of children 100%. But most, if not all, U.S. courts now have gender-neutral determinations for spousal maintenance.

...And so what factors count "for" alimony?

A variety of factors, but length of marriage and whether someone spent their prime working years caring for children and/or have low earning capacity are the biggies.

Typically alimony (not talking child support) occurs among people divorcing after 50, with grown/near-grown children and a large disparity in earned and earnable income between spouses.

...So who, in the currently over-50 crowd was far more likely to work as child-caretaker and earn 0/little compared to their spouse?

Women.

So the slice of divorces where there is any alimony is concentrated in older couples and at 1/10 and falling, and men's % of that falling % is increasing. Yet "omg men are so fucked by divorce/women financially rape men in divorces and it just gets worse all the time" is considered by certain sectors to be unassailable truth, despite being wrong and increasingly more wrong.


And during the marriage? An increasing number of women are the primary (>60% household income) breadwinners. Women played this role in 24 percent of marriages in 2011, according to data from the 2011 American Community Survey. This represented a fourfold increase from 1960.

In 2023,
While men remain the main breadwinner in a majority of opposite-sex marriages, the share of women who earn as much as or significantly more than their husband has roughly tripled over the past 50 years.

In 29% of marriages today, both spouses earn about the same amount of money. Just over half (55%) of marriages today have a husband who is the primary or sole breadwinner and 16% have a breadwinner wife.

Men have gone from being the sole breadwinner in 49% of marriages in 1972 to 23% today.

So 45% of married women make about as much as or more than the men, though only 16% of women make >60% of the household income. Women are fairly rarely the sole breadwinner, even though many earn more than their men. Translated, this just means that even where women make more, they don't typically make a lot more. (And conversely, where men make more and divorce happens, it's much less likely now that the earning disparity will be significant enough to warrant alimony.) So in addition to changing cultural assumptions about earning capacity even of SAHPs, the relative earned dollars (M vs. F) add to the trend downward in alimony rates in general.

(And yet, even breadwinner women do more home/unpaid duties than their lower-earning men. The lone earning category exception is sole breadwinner women.)

Further, the severe trend is toward temporary (during divorce proceedings), or rehabilitative (a year or couple while lower earner trains/gets a job), or some limited number of years' alimony/support that is equal to some percentage of the years married. Permanent support is exceptional and increasingly rare; disability and advanced age can be factors.

Finally, even if there is support, the amount that could be (not is) awarded varies widely. (It can also be avoided by changing the property settlement in lieu, and of course people can negotiate whatever they agree to, generally.) Most courts have, and use, discretion to limit alimony in general. But even assuming it is awarded (that 10%) and a calculator is employed,
  • Under one formulation in a couple states, a spouse making $300k divorcing one making $100k with a 10-year marriage could theoretically be ordered to pay $2500/month (of the payor's $25,000/month gross, or an effective rate of 10% of gross), for 52.x months.
  • By contrast, using the same calculator, a spouse earning $120k divorcing a spouse making $75k, same marriage term, would pay at most $250/month (of the payor's $8333/month gross, or 3% of gross) for the 52.x months.
  • At $112-113k vs $75k, it hits $0, with the wage disparity being relatively minor.
  • At $250k vs $160k, potential support could be $333/month (of the payor's $20,833/month gross, or an effective rate of 1.5% of gross).
  • $600k, vs. $0 - potential for up to $16,500/month (of $50,000/month, or an effective rate of 33% of gross).
  • $60,000 vs $30,000 could potentially be $500/month (effective rate of 10% of the payor's $5000/month gross).
  • $75,000 and $0? $2062.50, or an effective rate of 33% of gross.
None of those, except the last, exactly break the bank for the paying spouse, but the greater the disparity and the higher the earnings, or the fact of one spouse not working at all/very little, the greater potential percentage that could go to a former spouse (for some prescribed period of time, not likely forever).


Tl; dr: alimony/spousal support to women has decreased dramatically in numbers and duration as women's earning power has increased and as perspectives about the ability of a lower-earning spouse (historically wife) to earn a living have changed. Further, women in general, as their earning power (whether due to educational achievement or wage history) has increased overall, are both far less likely to be awarded alimony and increasingly likely to have to pay it.

Most likely scenario in which men could be required to pay spousal support: long "trad" marriages with women not working outside the home that end after children have been raised, followed by shorter marriages in which the wife has been staying home with kids and has little education or qualifications to translate into earning capacity.

Tl; dr: Tl; dr: the proposed ideal of an uneducated breeder/nanny is more likely than any other scenario to lead, in the event of divorce, to a man having to pay alimony. Caveat emptor.

And the silver lining for men is that even in the worst scenario, any potential obligation to provide spousal support is increasingly likely to be strictly time-limited.

And even brighter for men who resent the idea of spousal support: just because there is a theoretical calculator in a state, it is less and less likely that a court will deem it necessary to use (where there is discretion).

Ladies, get an education and a good job, because you might need it tomorrow, despite agreements today.
 
Stop replying to moid threadshitters

The bear vs man thing is hilarious, it has so many men foaming at the mouth. I do agree it needs to be fleshed out. What kind of bear? Are both man and bear aggressive by default? Is it a bear with cubs? Am I armed? If I'm unarmed, I'd take a mauling from an aggressive bear over being raped, imprisoned, and/or killed by a man. If it's a random man who MIGHT be a rapist and an aggressive bear, I guess I'd roll the dice and hope the man isn't a psycho. If I'm armed, I choose the man. I think senseless, brutal attacks from humans are infinitely more difficult to mentally recover from than an animal. If a bear kills me it is either protecting its cubs or hungry; it's not getting hard at the thought of my suffering and it's not going to revisit the kill site to jerk one out. Why is this so hard for men to understand?
If you rolled the dice and lose on a man, death is the least of your potential worries, it's fate worse than death you have to look out for
Speaking of, what do they mean by this?
Pedophilia
We should force them to read female written m/m erotica
Why can't we just kill them? You know, remove infection from the body.
 
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We should force them to read female written m/m erotica
They can come over to the Fanfiction Horrors thread. There's absolutely no shortage of fucked up material and I've got plenty of receipts myself.

Of course, that's just the fucked up shit. I doubt they want to read the sappy shit, like The Untamed, which is literally uwu Chinese pretty boy's love.
Nice try, I'm still taking the bear 🐻
 
"All women have rape fantasies! That especially applies to me, ugly local gene pool reject with no job or values instead of gigachad!" lolno

I think it's time we collectively acknowledged that men and women consume vastly different erotica in vastly different ways. Men want to see cute wifey big tata lesbianas getting in on it, while women want to see two sad gayboys with mental issues go at it. I like this thread most of the time but damn this is one of those topics that niggas keep repeating irl and online and in the end the same conclusion is that men and women like different shit and anyone who tries to act out the crazy rape/troon/goon/dogfucking erotica they see on the internet irl needs to kill him or herself immediately. Porn addiction is a disease
 
Firsthand accounts from Germany as the Soviets invaded at the end of WW2 include reports of many women committing suicide to avoid rapemurder. I highly doubt that's the only conflict that's resulted in that.
same happened very famously in japan when surrender was announced
 
I always bring my bear mace with me to the woods in case of moid attacks. Highly recommend.
While this is possibly a joke, be careful if you do actually carry that with you since it's illegal to deploy against humans. I doubt most cops would ask any questions if you were attacked but still worth considering downgrading to the stuff meant to be used on humans. Bear spray is at max 2% capsaicin and you can get up to 1.4% human spray.
Plus the human stuff can be deployed from a neat gun that's easier to conceal carry and safer for you
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While this is possibly a joke, be careful if you do actually carry that with you since it's illegal to deploy against humans.
Yes, I was just joking though I appreciate the warning/advice. I do know women who carry bear spray to defend themselves against men (pepper spray for self-defense is illegal in Canada) though so the irony of this bear question is not lost on me.
 
Also many white men idolize niggers, especially "conservative" men like Fuentes and Ethan Ralph. They view nigger males as the peak of masculinity, they love to listen to degenerate nigger music, squeal over nigger sportsball and celebrate nigger violence against white women. I think they genuinely want to be niggers.
It goes deeper - if you press them on their "logical minds" you'll see a lot more Rick and Morty Fedora bullshit than you could ever expect.

It’s always the dominant dangerous men-the sort of men who are good at and relish violence.
Like a fireman. If you have visible muscle, a narrow waist and broad chest, you will have women flirting with you. You will have men flirting with you, too. Sometimes, couples.

In this economy, you're more likely to run out of money, time or cardiac output than opportunities for sex.

Multiple studies have shown that women gravitate to dad bod types more than ripped gymbros
"Ripped gymbro" is women-speak for "steroid abuser" - everything I've seen and experienced shows 15% or so bodyfat, with a BMI above 25 to be the highest.

I know what you're saying, but the "Dad-bod" is spectacularly difficult to achieve. The average "dad-bod" has "dad-strength" - in terms of actual weightlifting potential, the "dad-strength" is equal to, or more than the typical "gymbro"


And no shit on the muscle mass/definition thing- putting beauty standards aside, nobody likes it when the fat bastard who can hardly thrust properly has to take a breather in the middle of "railing" you because of how little exercise he does.
Cardio kills gains - it's an either/or deal. Power, or persistence.
 
While this is possibly a joke, be careful if you do actually carry that with you since it's illegal to deploy against humans. I doubt most cops would ask any questions if you were attacked but still worth considering downgrading to the stuff meant to be used on humans. Bear spray is at max 2% capsaicin and you can get up to 1.4% human spray.
Plus the human stuff can be deployed from a neat gun that's easier to conceal carry and safer for you
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Really recommend against carrying anything that looks like a gun (in bad light) that isn't an actual gun that you're trained (beyond a single basic course) and prepared to use.
 
Covfefeanon, one of the accounts that came out hard against Lauren Southern and RW women in general, ended up having a mask off moment, a la Hollowearthterf. Archive.
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On the Epstein/Weinstein revelations:
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This young girl secretly wants to fuck these bodyguards:
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The original hollowearthterf post, with a moid crying about not lusting over teenagers is "repressing" male sexuality.
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Something something stereotype accuracy something something these people are all degenerate men etc etc

Allegedly, Covfefeanon is 50 years old, or at the least mid to late thirties. He's talking like this about teenage girls.

He blocks people who ask him about his age, btw.
 
Allegedly, Covfefeanon is 50 years old, or at the least mid to late thirties. He's talking like this about teenage girls
This is the only time i advocate for doxing users him and the 37 men who liked that post. This is legitimate yes officer this post.

And ask for drivers and tax folders check
 
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