Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate Thread

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

@Friend of Dorothy Parker

That not what I said dawg


"Violent retards" was a separate sentence ijs

OK, fair enough! It was unclear, and I took the negative route. Sorry to conflate your concepts!

Still, though, my ultimate message was intended to be positive:

 

[Susanna]

This is the first time I've ever mentioned it since being made aware of it on another thread. Has the ruling been overturned?

Edit: Corrected the original post

She might have gotten the two of us mixed up, I posted that same link in this thread back on Thursday, after seeing it somewhere/when else. I guess it's a popular link.

I get it though, IQ tests aren't perfect and you probably shouldn't go exclusively by them when placing students. Someone might technically be retarded and still be able to keep up with mainstream education thanks to friends/family helping them out or something, or just through sheer grit. You should apply some judgement before deciding whether someone is capable of learning more than just the absolute basics, a bad decision could needlessly destroy a child's future. It could be sufficient to just make sure they have some extra help, rather than separating them entirely.

Also if you know you'll be doing an IQ test in school next week you can just train on doing similar IQ tests and raise your score twenty points with just medium effort, so you can never fully trust the score it gives you anyway. Just doing the same test twice will consistently raise your score ten points. You're not truly testing intelligence, you're testing how good someone is at taking an IQ test, and like all logic puzzles it's possible to train and get better at them.

idk who this is but he was never a twink because he was never attractive.

The sentiment still holds though. Men completely hit the wall in their late twenties. They're lucky female attraction isn't like male attraction, if women worked like gays very few men would remain married past their thirties, like 90% of them turn really ugly in middle age.

 

[Thé au lait]

If interested, this article shows Larry P.'s outcome.

That was an interesting if unsurprising read. Their solutions seem completely counterproductive to me, instead they're just not putting anyone into Sp.Ed and making the regular kids and teachers deal with it instead.

The cited doesn't say this. Prior to Larry P. v Riley, California education code required school districts to use IQ scores when assessing students for special education.

I don't mean to contest that, but the first criterion for a diagnosis of retardation is "Deficits in intellectual functions, such as reasoning, problem solving, planning, abstract thinking, judgment, academic learning, and learning from experience, confirmed by both clinical assessment and individualized, standardized intelligence testing" (emphasis mine). In other words, if they can't use an IQ test in the decision to move a niglet to Sp.Ed then that would mean they can't be placed based on a diagnosis of retardation. At that point, what's the purpose of Sp.Ed?

I know I'm unusually cynical but the absolute state of education from what I've seen in the past few years has made me into a true and honest proponent of streaming

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

That was an interesting if unsurprising read. Their solutions seem completely counterproductive to me, instead they're just not putting anyone into Sp.Ed and making the regular kids and teachers deal with it instead.

Afai have seen, there are still "special ed" programs/classrooms (idk about current CA classrooms). I think technically even a 594/iep is "special ed," but I might be wrong. But if going by "problem/low-achieving" kids, I have done volunteer work in a urban school with kids who were low-achieving and had other negative factors (emotional regulation issues top among them, due to whatever cause). In that school, those kids were not only segregated into special classes, but they were in a whole special wing of the school - which was locked and locked down security-wise. It wasn't the classic special ed classes for kids with disabilities or severely intellectually behind, etc., but I'd be shocked if there weren't an overlap between these kids and being designated some kind of special ed.

The kids at this school who couldn't hack even being this special wing were sent to a different school ("academy") altogether. I have no idea of their success rates, but I think/hope they were positive. Some of those kids were just not able to understand how to interact, much less do schoolwork.

I personally don't like mainstreaming. I think kids with severe developmental or behavioral issues in a mainstream classroom degrade the experience for the bell curve 80%+. Idc if kids with intellectual disabilities are passed through school on lower standards, and I think they should get an education to their ability. And mixing kids for some classes is good for normalization and socialization. But I think having truly compromised kids in every/any classroom is a bad idea unless they're just 100% doing what their para says to do and are physically present but not impacting the teaching for the rest.

I don't mean to contest that, but the first criterion for a diagnosis of retardation is "Deficits in intellectual functions, such as reasoning, problem solving, planning, abstract thinking, judgment, academic learning, and learning from experience, confirmed by both clinical assessment and individualized, standardized intelligence testing" (emphasis mine). In other words, if they can't use an IQ test in the decision to move a niglet to Sp.Ed then that would mean they can't be placed based on a diagnosis of retardation. At that point, what's the purpose of Sp.Ed?

I know I'm unusually cynical but the absolute state of education from what I've seen in the past few years has made me into a true and honest proponent of streaming

I think one of the articles I linked talked about the panoply of assessments used to identify kids with special placement needs (down or up).

And again, it was just CA public schools that was the subject of the Larry P. case.

I know for a fact that IQ or IQ-like assessments were used in my kids' schools (not in CA) to determine exceptionalism (again, up and down), at least at the elementary and middle school levels. On the high end, our school system had a whole separate experience available for kids, beginning in elementary, with 145+ IQ [the problem with it was that it was also geared to kids who also struggled with social interaction with regular kids, so if you had a kid who tested in but was socially comfortable, it was a hard choice bc opting into the program meant being taken out of the mainstream experience...and only being with kids who were very poorly socially adapted].

...to your point, though, I don't know if they used IQ info to funnel a kid into sped-only classes - I think for that group it was more about placing them (based on achievement rather than aptitude) in low-level mainstream classes vs more challenging ones.

But our school district tended not to have extremely low-IQ kids who weren't also disabled, so I get that my modern school system perspective is a bit of a cushy .

I can recall one kid in one of my kids' years who was "slow" and also aggressive. He was disruptive in school and eventually his parents yanked him and sent him to a special school of some kind for several years. Eventually he was able to come back into the school system and graduate, if with all "general" classes.

...on streaming, couldn't disagree more, as a general matter. I think the last thing kids today need is anything more that is online. Socialization and being able to deal with humans and society is part of schooling. And a sped kid doing streaming only will never develop basic human interaction. I understand that some kids - bullied and with no alternatives, or severely maladapted, etc. - will benefit from remote learning, but for the most part I think kids need to learn to be in society.

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

...on streaming, couldn't disagree more, as a general matter. I think the last thing kids today need is anything more that is online. Socialization and being able to deal with humans and society is part of schooling. And a sped kid doing streaming only will never develop basic human interaction. I understand that some kids - bullied and with no alternatives, or severely maladapted, etc. - will benefit from remote learning, but for the most part I think kids need to learn to be in society.

In the UK, 'streaming' is what we call having different classes grouped by ability (so a top middle and bottom set) and that's how I read it rather than in favour of remote learning. I don't think anyone's in favour of remote learning if there's face to face as an option.

 

[username1811]

A lot of complaints that schools are "anti-male" and are drugging boys are just ignoring the fact that boys are often allowed to behave horribly and their mental issues get written off as "boy behavior". When they're in a setting with more structure, of course it results in them receiving more discipline on average. Boy moms are some of the biggest oedipal cunts I've ever come across. Your son gets offered psychotropics and is suspended frequently because you'd rather roleplay as his girlfriend than raise him like a normal child. Sons need to be doing sports after school and have housekeeping responsibilities at home - not on the couch with an iPad, being waited on hand and foot.

Absolutely. It’s a fucking huge red flag if a guy says “My mom is my best friend” or “My mom is the most important person in my life” chances are, that mom coddled him and reinforced the old stupid trope that boys/men aren’t accountable for their actions cause they were just “being boys”. I think this runs more rampant with a specific type of mother or “boy mom”, where her kids become her identity and an extension of herself so if someone says “hey your son is behaving badly and xyz are the reasons” she’ll blame that person because her kid would NEVER do such a thing because he’s such an angel at home. She’ll reinforce that behavior by insisting her son is perfect and whatever problems that rise up are definitely not their fault. That same mother will likely be overly critical of her female children if she ends up having them. The co-dependent oedipal bond doesn’t have room for another in the mix, especially a girl. Which let’s face it, this type of mother probably views her as competition.

 

[Fagatron Over 9000]

Going to sperg out for a second, but I hate how much men blame everything on the patriarchy. Recently, I was talking with another woman and she told me it was "classist" because I said I wouldn't put up with a moid punching the wall after an argument like an enraged toddler.

She told me that lower-class men can't learn emotional regulation or "unlearning toxic masculinity." What a joke, why do we absolve moids of any kind of responsibility? For one, I don't even believe in toxic masculinity being a societal issue. Society doesn't make moids be misogynist dickbags, they just do it because they're rewarded for it. Which doesn't make it not a choice.

And I don't care that men are all like "wow, I can't vent to any of my friends. It's so rough for me." Find new friends? I'm unsure how this is somehow societies fault, moids will dance in circles to blame everyone but themselves. Even liberal men say the same as the conservatives and incels, just swap society with women and it's all the same belief. Never their fault.

 

[username1811]

And I don't care that men are all like "wow, I can't vent to any of my friends. It's so rough for me." Find new friends? I'm unsure how this is somehow societies fault, moids will dance in circles to blame everyone but themselves

The cries about “muh mentuls” from men. The argument that “well it’s humiliating for men to get mental help which is why they suffer in silence or lash out” is so passé. Maybe it was an excuse 15-20 years ago but definitely not now. There’s even therapy apps to talk to someone 24/7, even if they are shitty and not a replacement for actual individualized therapy they still exist. But, instead of getting help they would rather just blame the world and fall into communities that circlejerk eachother. A woman rejected you? Definitely because she was just a whore that dates for money not because you’re a weirdo that has no social awareness and she just didn’t find you appealing. Couldn’t possibly be that! Lmao.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

In the UK, 'streaming' is what we call having different classes grouped by ability (so a top middle and bottom set) and that's how I read it rather than in favour of remote learning. I don't think anyone's in favour of remote learning if there's face to face as an option.

Thank you! I may have completely misunderstood that term ftom @Macho Man's Rabbi.

US schools start putting kids on tracks around 4th grade in a good school system (as early as 1st they might be given options to do more advanced work; we also have the concept of skipping a grade, which I did a million years ago, but that was before all the advanced and other options available now), more often starting in middle school (6th grade/around 11 yo).

But here kids are "encouraged" to take X level class rather than put on locked-in tracks. In my kids' high school, there were general, advanced, honors, and, for some classes, AP or IB options, which are, respectively, for taking AP (advanced placement for college credit if you score well a enough on a nationally administered test) courses, or for IB credit toward an International Baccalaureate high school diploma (these tend to be demanding courses focused on critical thinking that can also give college credit; most schools do not offer IB diplomas). And a student could choose about any combo, understanding that some were harder than others.

It’s a fucking huge red flag if a guy says “My mom is my best friend” or “My mom is the most important person in my life” chances are, that mom coddled him and reinforced the old stupid trope that boys/men aren’t accountable for their actions cause they were just “being boys”.

100%

 

[mmm semen]

It's harder for them to pull the trick with cropped photo where only the face is visible, while the unseen rest of the body is fat, because in men (also in pooners on T), the face gets fat and bloated first, along with the beer belly. So they have to use ancient photos before 30kgs. Using a cropped photo is telling only half of the truth that can be guessed anyway by how much is cropped away and what angle was the photo taken from, but an outdated photo is straight up deceiving.

lol fatfished

 

[Fagatron Over 9000]

But, instead of getting help they would rather just blame the world and fall into communities that circlejerk eachother.

Exactly. Finding a moid who actually listens to critique is so rare. Men will always side with men over other men. It's why they all believed piece of shit Liar Depp with a history of sniffing glue and being an alcoholic when he said the most obvious lies about dog-sized turds. They'd all rather believe men are eternal victims than imagine a woman say anything worthwhile

 

[Inside your walls]

It's true btw

 

[Glossy Paper]

Exactly. Finding a moid who actually listens to critique is so rare. Men will always side with men over other men. It's why they all believed piece of shit Liar Depp with a history of sniffing glue and being an alcoholic when he said the most obvious lies about dog-sized turds. They'd all rather believe men are eternal victims than imagine a woman say anything worthwhile

It's really strange experiencing times when I said something and got little reaction, then a male repeated it, and suddenly the whole group of people started nodding and agreeing.

 

[crazedaze]

Who else finds it truly astonishing that cobes was a gross nasty boglim lizard killer until he got with nal, then it's all about how he's a poor little victim of this bpd woman and now he's THE KING? moids start fawning over a rotten faced alcodruggie autist lolcow if it means getting one over on a woman
The whole thing makes me laugh, it's too much.... he let getting a female into his life get to his head and now thinks he can land someone

4000 times hotter than jessica

LOL LMAO

 

[grenouille crétine]

It's really strange experiencing times when I said something and got little reaction, then a male repeated it, and suddenly the whole group of people started nodding and agreeing.

What if I said pooning out meant I got taken more seriously? It was a pretty big retrospective blackpill.

Clearly I’d just be lying. There are no material advantages to being seen as male, and pooners are identical to troons in every way. Everyone always listens to women the first time we say something important, and that’s why we have the stereotype of being nags.

I think most women have the experience of saying something to no response, a male colleague repeating it verbatim, and then suddenly it’s brilliant.

 

[Internet Wizard]

Fun fact: for every 200 cases of Shaken Baby Syndrome (which can kill/paralyze babies), 199 cases are committed by men

She told me that lower-class men can't learn emotional regulation or "unlearning toxic masculinity." What a joke,

Seriously, it's such a joke how libs throw themselves on the front lines to protect Islam like it isn't the most violent, opressive religion. I can't believe there's women on this earth who think these million restrictions that apply to them but not men is the way to live.

Libs, especially "socially progressive" types make no walls when it comes to inclusivity. Because they see lower-class men, Muslims, and the mentally ill trannies as persecuted in the West, they don't want to intrude on their voices or whatever by questioning their moral standing. And by not wanting to investigate too much or be too outwardly critical, they basically let the most toxic of these groups stamp all over them - and they take it, because they think it's nice to do so. This is basically why the transpocalypse began in the first place here in the US

 

[Fagatron Over 9000]

And by not wanting to investigate too much or be too outwardly critical, they basically let the most toxic of these groups stamp all over them

The funniest part of that, is that even the "non-toxic" muslim men still believe in hijab. There are very few sects of islam that don't INSIST women cover themselves. I believe muslims in India (notorious women gropers anyway) and a few in the slavic countries. But the ones in the middle east or pan-arab areas are done for.

 

[Internet Wizard]

There are very few sects of islam that don't INSIST women cover themselves.

What I notice a lot is that people in the West are sort of nonchalant about people wearing it. The problem is that libs make it seem liberating to put on, like it's some countercultural statement. In most cases, especially with younger girls with low/no autonomy, they're often forced into wearing it when they don't want to. Of course they sweep this (much more common) phenomenon under the rug, because pointing it out would be "islamophobic" and would scare the shit out of muzzies (at least, those that are barely assimilated and still believe in Sharia atleast within their homes - but are still lauded for "maintaining their culture" or whatever the fuck)
In summary they basically turn a blind eye towards actual child abuse/social struggle because they don't want to seem mean. Kind of like how they turn a blind eye to obvious grooming to seem trans-inclusive

 

[Totallyunknown]

Recently, I was talking with another woman and she told me it was "classist" because I said I wouldn't put up with a moid punching the wall after an argument like an enraged toddler.

She told me that lower-class men can't learn emotional regulation or "unlearning toxic masculinity."

I hate these leftists who somehow do a 180 back to hating poor people in their attempt at some kind of "social empathy". So basically poor people are slightly above apes in intelligence and you should pity them. Poor people don't even have the capacity to learn or empathize and can only express themselves through angry grunts and punching a wall because poor. The class system is primarily based on wealth so being poor gives you a free pass at hitting your wife. You'd never possibly know better because the poors.. all they do is sit around and beat their wives, they can never know that's not okay. Basically, being poor means you're fucking stupid and should be pitied.

There's a lot of nuance to "lower class" but not being able to stop yourself from punching a wall is a new one. I know there's affluenza when you're so spoiled and rich you somehow can't figure out how to not be a piece of shit but I didn't realize there's poverbetes where you're so poor you can't figure out how to not be a piece of shit. Isn't it weird how there's this common denominator of... men just being a piece of shit regardless of their class bracket?

I was watching a video today with this black woman telling a dating horror story about this man she was seeing for a bit who said he had a few kids but his wife was dead. At some point he mentions he had a brother as well and this girl looks him up on Facebook to see and realizes that his wife is not dead and he had two more kids he didn't even mention. So she asked him why he had to lie on his wife being dead and he responded, "well, she dead to me".

I'm taking a break from dating to enjoy the rest of my summer break because I no longer hate myself enough to do this routine anymore. I've seen other videos telling women dating shouldn't be a hobby but I think that's wrong - I think dating can be a hobby because as you practice hobbies you become better at them. Going on a few dates a week is not necessarily wrong - or, it wasn't. Maybe pre-2016, it wasn't wrong. But as things on several dozen fronts degraded, it became a very risky if not downright dangerous hobby. Alot of these women spoke of quitting online dating but many of the men I've met "organically" are just as bad so I think it's okay to consider it a hobby but also consider when a hobby no longer brings you joy. Dating has not brought me any joy for multiple years but I have a number of things I'm looking forward to this fall and have been working on my mental health to bring joy back to older hobbies again instead. I'm ready for my cat lady era to begin, and I'm okay with it.

 

[Thé au lait]

In the UK, 'streaming' is what we call having different classes grouped by ability (so a top middle and bottom set) and that's how I read it rather than in favour of remote learning. I don't think anyone's in favour of remote learning if there's face to face as an option.

This was what I meant, the "online class" meaning went completely over my head lol
Apparently the proper term in US English is "tracking", my bad!

Recently, I was talking with another woman and she told me it was "classist" because I said I wouldn't put up with a moid punching the wall after an argument like an enraged toddler.

She told me that lower-class men can't learn emotional regulation or "unlearning toxic masculinity."

Ironically, this is actually classist. The only time I've ever seen guys do this is junkies and rich little pissbabies whose parents never disciplined them, or who are genuinely mentally retarded.

Thank you! I may have completely misunderstood that term ftom @Macho Man's Rabbi.

My English is a fucked up mix of 3 different country's standards, so it happens very often! I had an incident with this with the word "fanny" earlier today, unfortunately...
My part of the US doesn't have tracking at all, so the literal drooling retards are put in the same classes as the school's top students. Most kids who aren't completely retarded will switch to dual enrollment and receive any worthwhile education that way. Naturally, everything was taught toward the slobbermutts who, I repeat, could not stop drooling all over their desks. Working in childcare only reinforced my cynicism tenfold, knowing the kids who were fully competent and several grade levels above would be forced into classes made for the ones still struggling to tie their shoes and not shit their pants by 4th grade.

It's really strange experiencing times when I said something and got little reaction, then a male repeated it, and suddenly the whole group of people started nodding and agreeing.

Immediately made me think of this:

What if I said pooning out meant I got taken more seriously? It was a pretty big retrospective blackpill.

Bro holy shit it was such a stark difference, and after unpooning everyone around me acts like I'm somehow "misinterpreting" when I relay this basic fucking fact but it was the most obvious damn thing in existence, even with the exact same people!

This is basically why the transpocalypse began in the first place here in the US

The other reason being that nobody listens to women who have been saying this for decades, every single time moids did the exact same thing it was treated as a joke because they only ever did it to homos, and we're a porn genre to them at "best".