Official Kiwi Farms Man-Hate & Woman-Hate Thread-Hate Thread

Don't allow some disappointments which were likely your fault cause you expected too much
That's the thing, all I really expect out of people is honesty. I don't value someone if I don't know if they will be honest with me. Women seem to be fine enough with that as friends, but as soon as romance is on the table it all goes sour. And in a million different ways.
Some women reinvent themselves around a man. Make up interests, feign enthusiasm. Others will lose interest in you and start cheating, lying about loving you when the reality is they stopped a while ago and are too pussy to break it off themselves. Some just lie, lie, lie about every little thing under the sun for no reason. Obviously this is not entirely a gendered issue, but men who try to lie like this are usually much less successful at it than women due to their socialization (and I'm straight so it's not relevant to me). I cannot lie to myself and force myself to believe someone else's lies, because that makes no sense.

"The juice ain't worth the squeeze", as they say. Ironically, if I were just going for pussy, I wouldn't give a damn if a woman was being honest, because it doesn't matter when you're just trying to get your dick wet short term.
 
Can you provide some (op-sec'd) details? I'm curious what you mean.
In situations like employment issues, dating, personal insecurity, friend strife, money stress, children, etc. I do not think the emotional support I provide is very helpful unless it somehow involves another man. I can help a woman feel better if her bf is a dick or she needs to tell her boss to go fuck himself.

Turning 40 and feel insecure? Parents getting old? I'm going to be looking for an out. Even active listening as best as I can hasn't worked. It's frustrating for the woman looking for support, and it's frustrating for me because I failed my friend.

I usually just ask if there's anything I can do for them - I'm handy at pretty much everything, I can lift things, be physically intimidating enough that other men behave, etc. That's the best support I can give.

On the other hand, I'm the guy other men call when they need support.

I read a lot of feminists complain that men are emotionally stunted. I think that comes from a worldview that men could have a similar emotional map/response if they were raised differently. Even if I put a lot of effort (and broke more eggs) into learning how to support women better, I don't think I'd do it as well because my instincts just don't work as well.

BTW men will need mothering their entire lives, same as women will need fathering. Needing too much of it is a problem, sure. But both sexes lack something the other has in terms of caring for ones self.
 
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Some women reinvent themselves around a man. Make up interests, feign enthusiasm.
I've seen a bunch of you guys mention this and I genuinely can't logic out why this is a thing that's happening. May just be because I'm old.

You've been through a lot of shit it seems, I hope it doesn't stop you from pursuing again whenever you're ready. I love love and I want everyone to be in love so I'll just root for you on the sidelines, fren.
 
That's the thing, all I really expect out of people is honesty. I don't value someone if I don't know if they will be honest with me. Women seem to be fine enough with that as friends, but as soon as romance is on the table it all goes sour. And in a million different ways.
That's 1000000000 times too much to expect. Also they lie to you as friends too. Just as males lie. In my group of friends a lot of them came to moan for years about their misfortunes in love life (until I fucking reee-ed real hard at them and put my foot on the door). Both women and men. I don't know of anyone that didn't lie. I lied too. A lot even. And I've been lied to.
Such is life. Manage your expectations. Pursue what matters most and satisfies you best.
When you will find a woman that's not lying to you it means you are basically at the end of your active sexual life.
 
I've seen a bunch of you guys mention this and I genuinely can't logic out why this is a thing that's happening. May just be because I'm old.

You've been through a lot of shit it seems, I hope it doesn't stop you from pursuing again whenever you're ready. I love love and I want everyone to be in love so I'll just root for you on the sidelines, fren.
It's because when a woman is into a man his interests sound exciting, but once the novelty wears off she's back to her old self where her interests amount to makeup and the knickknacks she purchases. I've even seen this with female family. The vast majority of women are empty shells. The only time a woman has ever "shared" my interests was in the brief moment she was genuinely into me.

There are other reasons not to pursue love, like the falseness of it. A relationship for more men turns into an obligation with no appreciation given, like running an online community or caring for a spoiled stepchild.

Love is a woman's sport, not a man's. At least not the average man, or a man who doesn't exude wealth and power every waking moment. You know we can tell when a woman loses attraction to us, and it's always when they realize we aren't always perfect dominant leader machines.

Reading women give dating advice is hilarious. It's the shit all us men are told and we start out doing, like the stuff you said to me. You think we've never heard that advice before? We end up saying this red pill shit because we learn the hard way what our mothers and sisters and female friends grew up telling us was far and away the fuck from reality.

I used to loathe and despise the redpill community. I lost weight, starting dating, and discovered just how right those guys are. It's so fucking eye opening, and women don't see it because women don't really analyze their own behavior or dwell on it too heavily as you women tend to be more creatures of the moment and of impulse.

These online discussions are always tainted because us internet users, ESPECIALLY forum users, are a biased sample of people that read way more and think differently. The average woman isn't posting online. She's posting on tiktok. Women on Kiwifarms are an EXCEPTIONALLY "strange" bunch of women and you know that. Women on kiwifarms and even reddit are a specific subsample of women. You date your average women, you will find the stereotypes are true.

It's easy to dismiss men's experiences as being a bunch of incels especially when you can ride off the feminist notions running around about how all men are bad and creepy and inherently wrong all the time, and anything wrong in the gender wars is inherently the fault of men, yadda yadda, it's dead easy to do that. Yet it makes one wonder, if you're allowed to criticize one sex so one-sidedly, really, why is it that the other sex is so beyond reproach? Even though this modern wave of progressivism, trannydom, and socialism is being promoted more by women than men. You'd think their judgment would become suspect.

You wonder why online misogyny is increasing, try being reminded constantly by the opposite sex that the most attractive thing about you isn't you, it's the image you give off, in Kantian terms they crave the phenomena but not the noumena. They're attracted to the feelings of wealth and power you give off. Even if you can play with a woman's feelings and keep that idea going in her head, a relationship is still a lonely thing for a man because you know she's not into you but what you provide her with.
 
red pill shit
Everything you post in regards to this thread and the woman hate thread uses terminology that is either insanely bitter or some form of reddit or other social media words that I don't fully understand, or have literally never run into in the real world.

Holding discourse with you is akin to reading a teenager's manifesto before he goes off the rails. You've already outlined yourself as dishonest from the jump, yet wonder why things don't work out for you. You have no solid experience to provide except the aforementioned talking points yet are narcissistic enough to state you're "giving advice to others on what they should do".

Talking to you about this is pointless, in short.
 
Everything you post in regards to this thread and the woman hate thread uses terminology that is either insanely bitter or some form of reddit or other social media words that I don't fully understand, or have literally never run into in the real world.

Holding discourse with you is akin to reading a teenager's manifesto before he goes off the rails. You've already outlined yourself as dishonest from the jump, yet wonder why things don't work out for you. You have no solid experience to provide except the aforementioned talking points yet are narcissistic enough to state you're "giving advice to others on what they should do".

Talking to you about this is pointless, in short.
I used the term "dark triad traits" and you instantly accused me of saying reddit shit, I don't think you know what you're talking about. If you're not even aware of what I mean by that, how can you be credible in anything else? I'm not spouting some arcane terminology. Here, let me help you out. The fact that you thought "dark traid traits" was internet speak should give anyone pause over your "expertise" on this...

I was going to post this earlier, but neglected to, so I'll ask now: What did you hope to accomplish grilling me when you knew ahead of time you were going to fixate on me saying I mislead progressive women and don't tell them about my views? Like, why would I be honest to cancel culture people? You think I'm going to be honest when a woman ambushes me with woke shit? You're just pissed that it gives a man power over a woman, no matter how rotten that woman is. Just like any argument with a woman, you set up questions you don't care the answer to so you can try to lead your way to a particular narrative.

You guys bitch about men all the time and how wrong and horrible and everything else we are, yet when a man does it you just whine that he's bitter or a misogynist. You have zero self-awareness at all and nothing in your mind self-reflects for internal consistency.

You guys offer the same boilerplate advice, "just treat women like people!" because you guys fixate on your anti-man shit so much that you think every guy is like the macho bros you all congregate around; that's the advice you'd give the 6'1" tall hunk with tan skin and dark hair, because that's what you have in mind when you picture a guy, you don't actually think, know, or even see the average dude.

It's always the same shit, "you just hate women because you have no experience with them." Could it ever enter your mind that maybe a lot of men don't trust women anymore because we've had plenty of experience with them? I suppose I could say that your fear of men and rape is just that you don't know very much men. But even modern feminism is predicated on the "women-are-wonderful" effect, and that dominates all discussion of the sexes and relationships too. It's always there, implicitly.
 
That's the thing, all I really expect out of people is honesty.
women’s worldviews are completely subjective and detached from reality. it’s impossible for them to be “honest” the same way a man can be. in a way it’s kind of unfair to judge them under the assumption that they’re men with boobs
 
women’s worldviews are completely subjective and detached from reality. it’s impossible for them to be “honest” the same way a man can be. in a way it’s kind of unfair to judge them under the assumption that they’re men with boobs
And it's a huge mistake a lot of younger men make especially with all the feminism running around. Women think they're just like men with their ideas and personalities and feelings, tell men stupid fucking shit, and then men discover, no, you can't joke around with women like you can with men.

Listen to dudes play sports, they're getting in each other's heads and insulting each other and everything else. That's why men don't like women involved in their shit, because once a woman gets in, if you talk to her like you talk to one of the boys, you're gonna be accused of sexual harassment, general harassment, bullying, everything else. That's why our society is so fixated on cyberbullying and shit, this is how boys interact with each other but the second they treat women the same way, it's a huge fucking social problem.
 
Heterosexual relationships are not equal. That’s just how it be. No woman wants an emotionally weak man. Emotionally weak men make a whole family weak and unable to endure hard times.
Shame I missed this good post.
You have to understand that more modern men are deeply confused as they have been indoctrinated to ditch masculinity and pursue some sort of illusory equality. So it makes sense that eventually they become MRAs and demand "rights" cause they see it works for women.
It never does for men, cause rights are granted by something above that group
 
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It's always the same shit, "you just hate women because you have no experience with them." Could it ever enter your mind that maybe a lot of men don't trust women anymore because we've had plenty of experience with them?

you’ve made it abundantly obvious your issues with women are essentially, “I am short and they do not want to have sex with me.”
 
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