Open Source Software Community - it's about ethics in Code of Conducts

[HootersMcBoobies]

More idiocy from the Framework thread:

If buying a Framework would make these people dead, I'd buy 20 of them tomorrow.

Their CEO is refusing to kowtow to the trannies. If I didn’t like Apple laptop build quality so much, I’d probably go order a new Framework today out of sheer gratitude.

I'm still not buying an overpriced novelty laptop.
I will continue buying used ThinkPads.

The entire concept of these fisher-price modular components is just ridiculous. Laptops are already repairable, you just need to know microsoldering. Instead The Raped™ throw up their hands like the helpless children. "Please sell me old stagnating components for twice the cost!" cried the soy-consumers. None of this makes economical sense as long as the $300 ThinkPad exists.

I had used one for over a year as my work/Linux laptop. It worked pretty well, bu the thermals weren't great. When I go places, I take my older Thinkpad with an AMD 4000 series in it. It has way better thermals and generally preforms better.

If I need to repair the Framework, it will certainly be way more easier than when I had to work on my Dell Inspiron. But the Thinkpads aren't too bad with repeatability either. Not as great as a Framework, but nowhere near as bad as a Dell or HP.

What everyone actually wants is IBM 2.0. Real modularity is what you see in normal desktop computers, which are all "IBM clones" or "IBM compatible". Using the open bus architecture did more for freedom and compatibility than anything the software guys did. It was great for consumers, but it required the biggest computer company in the world to take a leap and push it onto the market.

Framework could do a lot by really pushing their modules as a real standard. I think they're all either just USB-C devices, USB-DP adapters or just little extensions for the built in USBC/TB ports. There are other people who already make modules that fit in there and you can get the design files direct from them: https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/ExpansionCards

If just one other maufacturer added one "Framework module port," it could start a trend to make at least one small part of a laptop modular; even if it's just a glorified embedded dongle.

I wish we had gotten something like an "AT standard" for laptops years ago. I'd gladly take something thicker that had a standard motherboard, but I think we're past the point of getting anything like that.

 

[Harvey Danger]

iPhone kids don't even bother to learn to type with an actual keyboard, they don't give a damn about modularity, they don't even understand how filesystems work. Putting together a framework laptop with a youtube tutorial would be a huge step forward for most of them.

Exactly. That's why Framework is the perfect laptop aimed at that generation. For older nerds it's a toy, but for iPhone kids it's aspirational.

They're the generation that gets told "oh you like Minecraft, you should go to college and learn programming". They hear that Real Developers(tm) fix their own computers, so they want to try. And as iPhone kids, they're already trained to buy premium products with ease-of-use as their core feature.

Spoiler: a marketing critique of Framework

It's nice that they standardized on Philips screwdrivers, and include one in the box. I appreciate that as a concept. But everyone in this thread already has a multi-bit screwdriver with a dozen bits that handles 95% of computer screws. We aren't the target market, the newbies who grew up with enshittified Internet search engines are the target. We don't want easier disassembly, we want the products that don't allow upgrades to allow them. We want Airbooks, iPads, and Chromebooks with Thinkpad levels of upgrade and replacement parts.

I don't think even Framework understands this, tbh. They seem to conflate the concept with the product. But IBM's lasting contribution wasn't their PC product line, it was the underlying architecture that let it be cloned. That led to a market-wide ecosystem of compatible parts, to the point that compatibility and replacements became a necessary selling point for PCs. Framework thinks their product will create the ecosystem, but if it's all USB-driven connection points, they don't actually have something new to overtake the market space.

Somewhat back on topic: notice that the commenters flipping out over Framework's "support for Nazis" are all talking about their purchase of Framework laptops, not their development of modules or software for Framework's platform. They way they talk, they think buying Framework is supporting the company as an act of charity. They aren't vendors or creators of useful products, they are consoomers. Right to repair, open architecture, and ultimately OSS itself are just trends to follow and boutique lifestyle choices for them.

 

[Creative Username]

Framework could do a lot by really pushing their modules as a real standard. I think they're all either just USB-C devices, USB-DP adapters or just little extensions for the built in USBC/TB ports.

might be a bit gay but you can't fuck up a good usb device

If just one other maufacturer added one "Framework module port," it could start a trend to make at least one small part of a laptop modular; even if it's just a glorified embedded dongle.

that would be more likely if there were a bunch of useful yet extremely niche modules that make the configurability worth the complexity and space

We aren't the target market, the newbies who grew up with enshittified Internet search engines are the target.

they do have to succeed us eventually or we're all fucked, so framework is doing good work by repairabilitypilling them

I don't think even Framework understands this, tbh. They seem to conflate the concept with the product. But IBM's lasting contribution wasn't their PC product line, it was the underlying architecture that let it be cloned. That led to a market-wide ecosystem of compatible parts, to the point that compatibility and replacements became a necessary selling point for PCs. Framework thinks their product will create the ecosystem, but if it's all USB-driven connection points, they don't actually have something new to overtake the market space.

it's hard to come up with genuinely new things these days in computing
which leaves you with a fairly obvious alternative: make it so easy an ipad retard could do it

Somewhat back on topic: notice that the commenters flipping out over Framework's "support for Nazis" are all talking about their purchase of Framework laptops, not their development of modules or software for Framework's platform. They way they talk, they think buying Framework is supporting the company as an act of charity.

they do technically support the standard since them having a framework machine means that, as a prospective module designer, there are more people who might buy your hypothetical framework module
one of the reasons ibm pcs won is how everybody had one of those fuckers, because, you know, fucking ibm

 

[残念。]

one of the reasons ibm pcs won is how everybody had one of those fuckers, because, you know, fucking ibm

The biggest reason it won is because the 5150 was made from off the shelf ICs that any designer could throw on a PCB and call it a day, minus the ROMs which just had contain compatible software instead of copied. It's why every no name company on the planet was pumping clones out. Comparatively, no one had IBM hardware unless it was a big company or corporation.

 

[cybertoaster]

They're the generation that gets told "oh you like Minecraft, you should go to college and learn programming".

TBF I got told the same for playing counter strike, I seen parents telling that to their kids just because they browse tiktok on their phone and insta on their tablet, as if brainrot behavior means they know about tech.

but for iPhone kids it's aspirational.

iPhone kids aspire to get a macbook pro, its all about flexing and you can't flex a framework with anybody, normies have no idea what it is and nerds laugh at that thing. We're talking about the same shitheads that will bully a kid for being a "green bubble", they think PCs are icky and for poor people while they get their iphone in 3051 installments.

We want Airbooks, iPads, and Chromebooks with Thinkpad levels of upgrade and replacement parts.

Never gonna happen...

They way they talk, they think buying Framework is supporting the company as an act of charity.

Right to repair, open architecture, and ultimately OSS itself are just trends to follow and boutique lifestyle choices for them.

Yep, that's what the FOSS community its turning into, been happening for at least half a decade now.

they do have to succeed us eventually or we're all fucked

We are all fucked.

 

[Creative Username]

We are all fucked.

no, for every so many soy consoomers you see, there is also a zoomer who is thinkpadpilled
you just don't find them on shitholes like xitter for reasons that should be completely fucking obvious

 

[Harvey Danger]

iPhone kids aspire to get a macbook pro, its all about flexing and you can't flex a framework with anybody, normies have no idea what it is and nerds laugh at that thing. We're talking about the same shitheads that will bully a kid for being a "green bubble", they think PCs are icky and for poor people while they get their iphone in 3051 installments.

It's aspirational within the realm of tech/IT/coding/"cool nerd" culture. Everyone wants to be seen as smart, and smart tech people build or fix their own machines. If you have no idea how but still want to brag on Discord about "taking my rig apart and fixing it", Framework gets you there.

Shallow ass millenial and zoomer girls who get the ick from green bubbles aren't anywhere near the nerd market segment. Until they want to seem smart too, then they might become "the first girl in my family to fix a computer" with a sticker-covered Framework laptop in the background of her LinkedIn profile pic. (Yes, I'm generalizing, but stereotypes grow from observed situations.)

Yep, that's what the FOSS community its turning into, been happening for at least half a decade now.

Don't I know it. The good ideas are started by earnest geniuses, but they rarely get enough similar contributors before the hangers-on pile in. Or, a technically-minded version of the classic meme.


But the lag time from early creation to popularization to infiltration has dramatically decreased. I think FOSS is just another industry that's a victim of the Internet's ability to hyper-popularize things, which has turned into a desperate nonstop search for novelty, uniqueness, and money-making ideas. You now go from a single "hey this is cool" article to 500 jeets flooding your repository asking for commit bits in the span of a week. And the troons already sneaked inside.

 

[Creative Username]

But the lag time from early creation to popularization to infiltration has dramatically decreased.

i know 50 fucking projects that are really cool except for how absolutely nobody gives a fuck about them (since some shitware (often even proprietary!) is busy sucking up retard attention)
stop dooming

 

[Zeftax]

green bubbles

Second time I see this term on this page, what does it mean? Some slang for android? I know the Sony Ericsson had a green bubble on the back as their "brand" but I doubt that would have evolved into an android-wide thing, and I haven't seen their phones in maybe a decade.

Discord [...] LinkedIn

Using these sites should be a classifiable mental illness. I don't think I've seen a person who uses either one habitually and is mentally well.

 

[Creative Username]

Second time I see this term on this page, what does it mean? Some slang for android? I know the Sony Ericsson had a green bubble on the back as their "brand" but I doubt that would have evolved into an android-wide thing, and I haven't seen their phones in maybe a decade.

sms messages (sent from android, which has its own proprietary messaging protocol that doesn't work with iphone's) display as green text bubbles in the iphone messenger app
yes they form terminology over very specific ui conventions because they are just that well herded

 

[Max Weber]

Second time I see this term on this page, what does it mean? Some slang for android? I know the Sony Ericsson had a green bubble on the back as their "brand" but I doubt that would have evolved into an android-wide thing, and I haven't seen their phones in maybe a decade.

iPhones have this app called iMessage, which is used as both Apple's messenger and for SMS. If you talk to someone who's using iMessage, your message bubble will be blue. If, however, you send a message to someone that's not using it (most likely because they're a lowly peasant using Android ), you'll see it as green and immediately fill sick and will never want to talk to that person again.

 

[Mikoyan]

It's nice that they standardized on Philips screwdrivers, and include one in the box. I appreciate that as a concept.

You need a PH0 and a T5 - and most of the screws are T5s. They give you both with a reversable bit. I just use my power drivrer.

 

[Zeftax]

Damn, thanks for the info. Well herded indeed. I wonder why this same type of person has so many problems with racism, when this is even more arbitrary and retarded.

 

[The Noise]

I'm still not buying an overpriced novelty laptop.
I will continue buying used ThinkPads.

The entire concept of these fisher-price modular components is just ridiculous. Laptops are already repairable, you just need to know microsoldering.

"Laptops are already repairable, you just need to know specifically how to repair your model, know all the steps to not break it in the process, know specifically how to repair or replace the specialty parts, deal with any other proprietary parts, and also know how to solder and not fuck up the traces. This is preferable to buying a laptop that is designed to easily let you swap components out for some reason."

sms messages (sent from android, which has its own proprietary messaging protocol that doesn't work with iphone's) display as green text bubbles in the iphone messenger app
yes they form terminology over very specific ui conventions because they are just that well herded

Can confirm this is the case. There are grown adults in my college who wring their hands about "green bubbles" when I text them for classwork because I use a Pixel. There's a disturbing amount of genuine cattle out there who do or think things because the TV told them to.

 

[cybertoaster]

there is also a zoomer who is thinkpadpilled

And wearing programmer socks...

you just don't find them on shitholes like xitter

I don't go there, not because of elon but because the place always sucked.

It's aspirational within the realm of tech/IT/coding/"cool nerd" culture. Everyone wants to be seen as smart, and smart tech people build or fix their own machines. If you have no idea how but still want to brag on Discord about "taking my rig apart and fixing it", Framework gets you there.

Normies don't want to be seen as smart, they want to be seen as successful, that they are making it. Pretending to be a "geek" was a thing during the 2010's but it isn't anymore.

Shallow ass millenial and zoomer girls who get the ick from green bubbles

I only seen zoomers doing the green bubble shit, the closest thing to bragging you had an expensive phone for millennials was the hiptop and the blackberry, and even those weren't even remotely as expensive as iphones are. Apple really created an entire new industry to profit off retards willing to go into debt for a brick.

I think FOSS is just another industry that's a victim of the Internet's ability to hyper-popularize things

Nah it was by design, you look at the biggest far-left FOSS influencers who are shitting up everything and they all just happen to work for the megacorps who want FOSS gone.

i know 50 fucking projects that are really cool except for how absolutely nobody gives a fuck about them

List a few, tired of the spam from shitholes like producthunt.

what does it mean? Some slang for android?

Its just apple keeping their users by the balls with an iron grip, in this case making imessage deliberately incompatible with the RCS messaging standard so a shitton of features get broken on purpose when you are messaging someone who doesn't have an iphone. The idea is to keep their users within the platform while creating social pressure to force users of other platforms to switch to apple.

 

[Creative Username]

You need a PH0 and a T5 - and most of the screws are T5s. They give you both with a reversable bit. I just use my power drivrer.

why do these even exist
what fucking advantage do pentalobe niggerhell screws have over the humble philips head (god's chosen screw head)
other than selling more fucking screwdrivers of course

Damn, thanks for the info. Well herded indeed. I wonder why this same type of person has so many problems with racism, when this is even more arbitrary and retarded.

fr no cap (as they would say)

"Laptops are already repairable, you just need to know specifically how to repair your model, know all the steps to not break it in the process, know specifically how to repair or replace the specialty parts, deal with any other proprietary parts, and also know how to solder and not fuck up the traces. This is preferable to buying a laptop that is designed to easily let you swap components out for some reason."

there really is actual value in making good shit that is also accessible to niggercattle retards
without people doing it, all based shit will die out because everybody will grow up on an iphone and never get 'pilled

And wearing programmer socks...

idc about programmer socks as long as they hate the true enemy

I don't go there, not because of elon but because the place always sucked.

correct. you do not see all the based zoomers since they stay out of datamining slop holes

List a few, tired of the spam from shitholes like producthunt.

i don't know of any hardware shit except for stuff that will only pan out in like 30 years
a cool software project i often namedrop here is gnu guix. it's like nix but you haven't seen tranny drama from it every 15 pages on this thread, like you do with nix. it is also technologically superior in a couple of ways that you don't care about. among its features are declarative system configurations, namespace containers, build-phase hackability that rivals gentoo, substitutes if you're not that terminally autistic, and the ability to set up the equivalent of python's venvs for any software environment you can think of (not just p*thon)

 

[Harvey Danger]

i know 50 fucking projects that are really cool except for how absolutely nobody gives a fuck about them (since some shitware (often even proprietary!) is busy sucking up retard attention)

Ok. Then wait for one to hit the top of HackerNews, or the slop YouTubers do a few videos on it, and start the countdown until it lands in this thread because of a troon problem.

 

[Mikoyan]

why do these even exist
what fucking advantage do pentalobe niggerhell screws have over the humble philips head (god's chosen screw head)
other than selling more fucking screwdrivers of course

Torx, not pentalobe, which do suck. They cam out less than Philips other than that, yeah, agree.

Compared to JIS cross style there's really little point but that's a Jap thing.

 

[Creative Username]

Ok. Then wait for one to hit the top of HackerNews, or the slop YouTubers do a few videos on it, and start the countdown until it lands in this thread because of a troon problem.

a troon problem or two rarely stops a project dead in its tracks
if it gets too bad, you will find out that somebody forked it in 2015 and their version is better now for some reason (and the troons will keep infesting the original because they don't know a fucking thing)

Torx, not pentalobe, which do suck. They cam out less than Philips other than that, yeah, agree.

Compared to JIS cross style there's really little point but that's a Jap thing.

fuck all of that i only acknowledge the existence of 2 screw types: philips head and flat head
those hexagonal-headed screw things are technically bolts imo so they really don't count

 

[AnOminous]

Torx, not pentalobe, which do suck. They cam out less than Philips other than that, yeah, agree.

I think my absolute least favorite was when Compaq came up with their own unique version of Torx and pentalobe that also had a dimple in the screw head so you literally had to have a full set of their bullshit screws to do anything at all with their laptops because the actual screws had a prong that would block any non-dimpled screw head.

Pure evil niggardry.