Culture Over 4 million Gen Zers are jobless—and experts blame colleges for ‘worthless degrees’ and a system of broken promises for the rising number NEETs

  • Over 4 million Gen Zers are not in school or work in the U.S. and in the U.K. 100,000 young people joined the NEETs cohort. But it’s not generational laziness that’s to blame. Experts are taking swipes at “worthless degrees” and a system that “is failing to deliver on its implicit promise.”
There’s been a mass derailment when it comes to Gen Z and their careers: about a quarter of young people are now deemed NEETs—meaning they are no longer in education, employment, or training.

While some Gen Zers may fall into this category because they are taking care of a family member, many have become frozen out of the increasingly tough job market where white-collar jobs are becoming seemingly out of reach.

In the U.S., this translates to an estimated over 4.3 million young people not in school or work. Across the pond in the U.K., the situation is also only getting worse, with the number of NEET young people rising by over 100,000 in the last year alone.

A British podcaster went so far as to call the situation a “catastrophe”—and cast a broad-stroke blame on the education system.

“In many cases, young people have been sent off to universities for worthless degrees which have produced nothing for them at all,” the political commentator, journalist and author, Peter Hitchens slammed colleges last week. “And they would be much better off if they apprenticed to plumbers or electricians, they would be able to look forward to a much more abundant and satisfying life.”

With millions of Gen Zers waking up each day feeling left behind, there needs to be a “wake-up call” that includes educational and workplace partners stepping up, Jeff Bulanda, vice president at Jobs for the Future, tells Fortune.

Higher education’s role in the rising number of NEET Gen Zers​

There’s no question that certain fields of study provide a more direct line to a long-lasting career—take, for example, the healthcare industry. In the U.S. alone, over a million net new jobs are expected to be created in the next decade among home health aids, registered nurses, and nurse practitioners.

On the other hand, millions of students graduate each year with degrees with a less clear career path, leaving young adults underemployed and struggling to make ends meet. And while the long-term future may be bright—with an average return on investment for a college degree being 681% over 40 years, plus promises of Great Wealth Transfer—it may be coming too late for students left with ballooning student loans in an uncertain job market.

Too much time has been focused on promoting a four-year degree as the only reliable route, despite the payoff being more uneven and uncertain, says Bulanda. Other pathways, like skilled trade professionals, should be a larger share of the conversation.

“It's critical that young people are empowered to be informed consumers about their education, equipped with the information they need to weigh the cost, quality, and long-term value of every path available to them,” Bulanda says.

Lewis Maleh, CEO of Bentley Lewis, a staffing and recruitment agency, echoes that colleges should do better at communicating with students about career placement as well as non-academic barriers to entering the workforce, like mental health support and resilience development.

“Universities aren't deliberately setting students up to fail, but the system is failing to deliver on its implicit promise,” Maleh tells Fortune.

“The current data challenges the traditional assumption that higher education automatically leads to economic security.”

What’s caused a NEET crisis—and what can be done?​

Rising prices on everything from rent and gasoline to groceries and textbooks have put a damper on Gen Z, with some even having to turn down their dream job offers because they cannot afford the commute or work clothes.

Plus, with others struggling to land a job in a market changing by the minute thanks to artificial intelligence, it’s no wonder Gen Z finds doomscrolling at home more enjoyable than navigating an economy completely different than what their teachers promised them.

The United Nations agency warns there are still “too many young people” with skills gaps, and getting millions of young people motivated to get back into the classroom or workforce won’t be easy.

Efforts should include ramping up accessible entry points like apprenticeships and internships, especially for disengaged young people, as well as building better bridges between industries and education systems, Maleh says.

Above all, better and more personalized career guidance is key, Bulanda adds.

“When you don’t know what options exist, no one is helping you connect the dots, and the next step feels risky or out of reach—it’s no surprise that so many young people pause,” he says. “The question isn’t why they disconnect; it’s why we haven’t done a better job of recognizing that the old ways aren’t working anymore, and young people need more options and better support to meet them where they are.”
 
Of course, taking a quarter million dollars in loans to get a Doctorate in postmodern queer feminist dance theory will pay off! Sign here! You are totally gonna go places, kid!"
you're being facetious and it's why i can't feel bad about neets.: between the 90s and mid 2010s that gay degree would've led to an easy 6 figure do nothing job if you got to sit on the board of some ngo. that's the goal for these kinds of degrees. once DEI opened up, everyone else got on the NGO grift and the positions became competitive. how do i know? because I was curious about easy do nothing jobs that paid well.
We allowed the kids to be set up to fail, so we really can't blame the kids, entirely,

Hyperbole aside, How in the fuck can these kids actually make good life decisions in the face of this?
every school has a guidance counselor(s) whose job is to help you figure out your post high school life. and like real life, these people will do more for you if youre a nice, friendly person. even if you get a broad whos waiting out the next 2 years for retire they publish big thick books with college ratings, job predictions and all the info you want to think about a future job and that lazy broad will give you these books to look through. no one failed any kid. they're too up their ass to be anything other than neets. All this help was ready and available and all it took was a little imagination and a lot of humility to accept help from an authority figure.

your pov continues this sick adulting mindset where adults should have all the benefits of being an adult without any of the responsibility.

if you graduated recently and didn't take any internships or externships or joined greek life or some campus networking thing, idk what to tell you.

Lying is now a career skill. I had to search for recently closed businesses and make a phony Gmail + google voice combo for one of the managers so that one of my younger relatives could even start getting considered for anything besides burger flipping. He'll quietly drop it from his resume after he has enough legit experience.

you should be fucking proud this worked. this is literally a case of necessity is the birthing person of invention.
 
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A lot of these NEETs are probably not even looking for a job because they end up with more money on welfare.
Or maybe the extra monetary benefit is so negligible they'd rather take the hit and stay home all day doing whatever they want.

I know its a big problem in Australia. Dole bludgers end up with more take home pay by not working because once they start working they lose things like parent support payments while also most likely ending up in a higher tax bracket, which eats even more of their wages.

We made a stupid ass system of gibs and people abuse it. Its not their fault, fuck if I wasnt so spiteful I'd do the same.
 
become frozen out of the increasingly tough job market where white-collar jobs are becoming seemingly out of reach.

Wow, I wonder how many fewer H1B visas we will give out next year if there is so much readily available American talent!

In the UK, applications to go to university have doubled over the last 30 years.
I very much doubt the number of vacancies requiring a degree have increased at the same rate.

Don't worry trust the economists they say infinite labor is a good thing and will make everything better
 
Oddly enough I deal with a lot of what @MadStan describes when people call in looking for work on the trades. After one no showed after a few flakey weeks of “my truck doesn’t wanna start” and “ I had to take grandma to the hospital” and the other ended up being a meth head that probably stole the framers truck with his nigger buddies I basically just started asking people to send in a resume with references. That’s filtered out everyone so far.

Like, I get people don’t want to get into the trades and especially not learn enough to start their own electrical/plumbing/hvac etc businesses but I think it’s to the point now where you don’t have a lot of better alternatives if you want to make a decent living. And I don’t think the government is going to bail you out either especially after the student loan shit recently.

So either figure out a way into a white collar job and live in a van down by a not so nice river or prepare to get in the hole and start digging for 20/hr until you learn a skill.
Agree mosty with what you have stated. And yes I have seen and dealt with the fucking flakes as the poster described.

As stated before... This is how I became a wealthy man. With that wealth it opened up different neworks.
I can't state how important it is to have a large skill set in life. I have repeatedly stated this. I'm both Blue and a White collar worker.

But I made my fortune digging ditches and diversifing my skill sets.

And I have been laughing at people hard here in Silicon Valley since 2019. Because their concept of expanding their horizons, which is as far as their cell phones and their social media addition, IMHO it is one of the reasons why they are in a terrible mess.


And again when I did take some college classes, it was an investment for my future. BUT I always made sure what the economy was doing and who was hiring.

An Example is during 1999 to 2003 we had a glut of accounting/marketing/Econ degree that were simply useless at the time as the economy was shifting out of a recession and into the "get rich scheme of the housing market from big business"

These patterns of the economy are there to see however people just don't want to look.
 
you're being facetious and it's why i can't feel bad about neets.: between the 90s and mid 2010s that gay degree would've led to an easy 6 figure do nothing job if you got to sit on the board of some ngo.
Is this supposed to be a good thing? I'd say its part of the problem. I'm pretty sure I said that we've been setting deez keedz up to fail. The "how" is complex and multifaceted. And this side of the education/job market is one of those facets.

every school has a guidance counselor(s) whose job is to help you figure out your post high school life.
I'm not sure I can take seriously the opinion of someone who thinks high school guidance counselors are useful or competent. And I'm not even being facetious... By the time the kids even need a guidance counselor, its too late for many. How many kids even read at grade level, anymore? The teachers are failing the kids, the guidance counselors don't even have much to work with. I did almost two years of an education major before I came to my senses. I know Education is fucked.

your pov continues this sick adulting mindset where adults should have all the benefits of being an adult without any of the responsibility.

Where? Where did I cast aside responsibility? By saying we shouldn't put ALL the blame on the kids? You absolutely should be responsible for your shitty decisions in life. So should these kids. I even enjoy laughing at the ones who manage to fuck up their lives in entertaining and unusual ways. Its why I'm on here, the Farms. You act as if I say we should mollycoddle the kids. I don't. The mollycoddling is a large part of how we even got here. We absolutely must be harder on kids.

But, just maybe we should place SOME responsibility on our whole damned society for not preparing kids to not make shitty life decisions. But if we refuse to acknowledge some things, they won't get fixed. So go ahead, blame those darned kids, and yell at them when they walk on your lawn, too. But its going to get worse, and the kids are going to treat you like shit when its time to shuffle your ass off to the rest home.

I should just skip A&N until I've had coffee. I'm lamenting the whole of Education, from pre-k through higher ed, not actually being all that educational, and this nigger thinks the guidance counselors will save us. What a world.
 
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Where? Where did I cast aside responsibility? By saying we shouldn't put ALL the blame on the kids? You absolutely should be responsible for your shitty decisions in life. So should these kids. I even enjoy laughing at the ones who manage to fuck up their lives in entertaining and unusual ways. Its why I'm on here, the Farms. You act as if I say we should mollycoddle the kids. I don't. The mollycoddling is a large part of how we even got here. We absolutely must be harder on kids.
No, we absolutely should be harder. I recall that some other countries test or search for a student's aptitudes in elementary-high school and recommend them to various careers, trades, etc. In America, we don't do this and everyone gets sucked into thinking college is a must do. I'm tired of being nervous that I'm not good enough while eventually finding out a job is actually easy bullshit.

I'm just sick of all this. If we're at the dawn of some AI revolution as so many retards claim, then why haven't we gotten anything else sorted out.
But, just maybe we should place SOME responsibility on our whole damned society for not preparing kids to not make shitty life decisions. But if we refuse to acknowledge some things, they won't get fixed. So go ahead, blame those darned kids, and yell at them when they walk on your lawn, too. But its going to get worse, and the kids are going to treat you like shit when its time to shuffle your ass off to the rest home.
A lot of it is boomers and gen Xers not wanting to acknowledge that their generation caused these fuckups. On one hand, maybe this kinda thing wouldn't be so bad if we just didn't have the start of the century loaded with recessions and shitty immigration.

I should just skip A&N until I've had coffee. I'm lamenting the whole of Education, from pre-k through higher ed, not actually being all that educational, and this nigger thinks the guidance counselors will save us. What a world.

Yeah, it's lamentable. The coof was kinda the final nail in the coffin though. Jeez. It just really made everything fucked. Before the coof, I remember Post Offices hustling to get anyone they could. Post-Coof? Lmao get fucked. Hell, a lotta places have skeleton crews and temp workers. We're at the point where so much shit is just fucked up, but the elites just want to import 5 jeets for the price of one entry level American.
 
I say the same things every time similar articles are posted. The problems and issues are "easy" to fix, but there has to be a willingness to do it all.

Acknowledge that not everyone will make six figures a year. Not everyone will be a millionaire. Not everyone will own a beach house. Nepotism exists and once they have a kid of their own, they'll understand. That's life. Get used to it. Teach basic finance starting in middle school (not by the very same retards who go hundreds of thousands in debt for a job that pays $50k/yr) and maybe in a generation or two, the new age of boomers won't be stuck working an entry level job.

Get rid of the jeets; IT jobs will be forced to actually hire Real People at competitive pay.

Get rid of the illegals; the lower end of society can finally work and maybe even get benefits and stop being so niggerfied.

Get the feds out of school loans; worthless degrees will likely go away and the focus should be on STEM by those that can actually do it.

Bring manufacturing back and push trades; not smart enough for STEM, but too smart to clean all day and just can't handle being in an office? Here you go.


None of these are outrageous concepts and will affect all facets of society as a net plus.
 
I say the same things every time similar articles are posted. The problems and issues are "easy" to fix, but there has to be a willingness to do it all.

Acknowledge that not everyone will make six figures a year. Not everyone will be a millionaire. Not everyone will own a beach house. Nepotism exists and once they have a kid of their own, they'll understand. That's life. Get used to it. Teach basic finance starting in middle school (not by the very same retards who go hundreds of thousands in debt for a job that pays $50k/yr) and maybe in a generation or two, the new age of boomers won't be stuck working an entry level job.

Get rid of the jeets; IT jobs will be forced to actually hire Real People at competitive pay.

Get rid of the illegals; the lower end of society can finally work and maybe even get benefits and stop being so niggerfied.

Get the feds out of school loans; worthless degrees will likely go away and the focus should be on STEM by those that can actually do it.

Bring manufacturing back and push trades; not smart enough for STEM, but too smart to clean all day and just can't handle being in an office? Here you go.


None of these are outrageous concepts and will affect all facets of society as a net plus.

Get rid of pedophiles in jobs that have access to minors.

Bring back good managing/hiring practices. I get it, there's a lotta labor law stuff, but at least have competent management, HR, and training. Give apprenticeship, mentorship, and etc. pay bumps for those willing to do it.

Make student loans dischargeable by bankruptcy again, or just wrap it in the borrower's taxes. Or, hell, bring back the credit score check as a requirement for student loans from the Fed. You gotta have checks and balances. Given how many major corporations chip into tuition, maybe offer a deal like "we'll pay for your degree in accounting/computer science/etc. but you gotta work for us in that role for each full year's worth of classes we fund".

With the niggerfication of the concept of IQ having been done to make shitlibs feel better, push the idea that there are different aptitudes and that not being suited for higher education is fine and one should 100% give trades a shot.

Jettison all illegals. Just let them go build their countries back up.

Popularize raising standards. You can easily swing people into going along with this. Noone trusts the big institutions any more. Let them all fail. Let the banks, the big corpos, etc. all fail.


Develop more housing. Knock costs down, make things decent again. Let America be isolationist for a generation so we can fix our shit. We can't keep funding the world's bullshit if we're internally fucked. Let Israel or whatever the fuck get their cashflow from other places. Put those glowies to work in forcing our hemisphere into being self-sufficient.


As for the military? Fuck if I know, but maybe letting them focus on being a military instead of some weird DEI corpo environment.


also, make pedophiles be forced to be in gen pop in prisons. No exceptions. The rich may be beyond touching, but we gotta weed them all out.



Hell, bring back shaming. If people want to support "liberal ideals" after all this, then let them, but it can't be propped up by USAID. Let companies die. We don't need Disney if they keep shooting themselves in the foot. We don't need Boars Head if they keep shitting up their quality by hiring cheap "refugees" and illegals. We just need to get things to work halfway decently again. Like, fuck, it'll probably take a generation. But that's fine and dandy.


The whole shift to job postings wanting higher entry barriers for entry level positions in general just gets me mad. You want me to do all this shit, compete with a billion retards, and then you put requirements that fit middle managers AND want 3-4 certs for something as basic as an entry level clerk or HR staffer? Are you high? Or the amount of basic entry level white collar administrative/clerical jobs that just go "we want 7 years of industry experience, a fresh graduate, and 3 certifications that have nothing to do with the job.".
 
I should just skip A&N until I've had coffee. I'm lamenting the whole of Education, from pre-k through higher ed, not actually being all that educational, and this nigger thinks the guidance counselors will save us. What a world.
you're blaming the whole of education because 6% of gen z kids ended up loser duds in the literal sense. "i'll go to college with a random major because i do what i'm told because its easy and im a lazy retard" isn't a defense.

In America, we don't do this and everyone gets sucked into thinking college is a must do
The government has a couple career tests but your school has to opt-in to give them to the you. there's the DoD's asvab cep and the self guided onet from the BoL. you know why these things aren't mandatory? because we give kids the freedome to choose and that includes the freedom to become worthless.

Bring manufacturing back and push trades; not smart enough for STEM, but too smart to clean all day and just can't handle being in an office? Here you go.
in an alternate universe, there would be zoomers on kiwi farms lamenting about how they don't have job despite going to trade school.
 
you're blaming the whole of education because 6% of gen z kids ended up loser duds in the literal sense. "i'll go to college with a random major because i do what i'm told because its easy and im a lazy retard" isn't a defense.
it ain't even just that. the kool-aid of "college degree= job" has been around since the 60s-70s. Then, in recent history, that's been rugpulled.
The government has a couple career tests but your school has to opt-in to give them to the you. there's the DoD's asvab cep and the self guided onet from the BoL. you know why these things aren't mandatory? because we give kids the freedome to choose and that includes the freedom to become worthless.
I didn't go to an American High School, but I do understand that. To be fair, I think there's just a stigma against choices that are not "go to college" that we really need to dispell.
in an alternate universe, there would be zoomers on kiwi farms lamenting about how they don't have job despite going to trade school.
I mean, Zoomers are soft. A bunch of them came of age during covid and just never really "got" some things. There's an innate cynicism to millennials, but there's an innate nihilism to zoomers. I don't know what'd fix either of these generations. Shit is really messy right now.
 
To be fair, I think there's just a stigma against choices that are not "go to college" that we really need to dispell
part if the stigma is that white collar work isn't laborious. blue collar work is physically hard and dirty. so its natural that stress avoidant zoomers would opt for the former and not the latter.

im find with neets so long as they aren't supported by the taxpayer to live.
 
In my coding class, these "kids" are being taught "skills" that a machine learning algo can already do kindov okay. That "okay" will only improve as the Monopolist tribe keeps seeking lower and lower costs and more and more slave labor. We are fed a steady diet of "AI" hype articles at the beginning of every class, as though the sky is the limit, and AI will create a digital utopia (and not a tech dystopia) in the near future that's right around the corner!! - But, I'm the only one who raises my hand and asks the simple question, "If the goal is to either outsource or ""AI"" every bit of coding, then what are we training to do?"

Are we really prepping these "kids" just to be shit out into a job market that's near non-existent and/or Pajeet'd to death? Clearly (imo) - we are. It couldn't be more blatant that's what's going down. These people are going to be hammered right out of school, especially with the 2008 II: Electric BoogaJew we got coming...

And when it comes to all those who showed up for other shit, like an underwater basket weaving degree? Those niggers are utterly fucked 6 ways to sunday. You know those "hard times" that create tough men? Those times are coming, and are arguably here already. I pray those tough men help make good times again one day.
You are half right. Yeah kikes are gonna use AI to systematically replace every IT nerd under the sun and what they can't replace they'll ship out to Bangladesh while Silicon Valley turns into the new Detroit (which vindicates me) BUT singularity man? Shit, things are gonna get better. But they gotta get worse before they get better. On more present affairs we gotta address the issue that the economy is really broken in how companies are nickeling and diming everything like Scrooge fucking McDuck. What's going on? They're sucking every penny possible.
 
part if the stigma is that white collar work isn't laborious. blue collar work is physically hard and dirty. so its natural that stress avoidant zoomers would opt for the former and not the latter.

im find with neets so long as they aren't supported by the taxpayer to live.

I think neets just need to get sent to military service or some shit.

You are half right. Yeah kikes are gonna use AI to systematically replace every IT nerd under the sun and what they can't replace they'll ship out to Bangladesh while Silicon Valley turns into the new Detroit (which vindicates me) BUT singularity man? Shit, things are gonna get better. But they gotta get worse before they get better. On more present affairs we gotta address the issue that the economy is really broken in how companies are nickeling and diming everything like Scrooge fucking McDuck. What's going on? They're sucking every penny possible.

I think it may be right that shit's bad. McDonalds kept raising prices over the past few years. That's how you know it's really bad.
 
One thing I haven't really seen mentioned ITT yet about why Zoomers aren't going into trades seems to be something that's often overlooked I noticed when I was working construction 4 years ago. My fellow Gen Z Americans have shit health.

A shit ton of zoomers are either fat, or skinny twigs that can barely lift their own already low bodyweight. This means when you send them out on the job to do the most menial hard labor, which is what they'll be starting with since they have no experience they can't keep up worth shit. I have seen the classic Boomer joke of "I can outwork three of you young ' uns!" play out in real time with the 55-year-old foreman running circles around them because these guys don't have the physical health or the gas to keep going.

Now of course, you're going to tell me "Well, that's work! They just have to get used to it, or go to the gym and stop being a pussy!" and I would wholeheartedly agree.

However, I can still sympathize a bit. A lot of these guys don't have fathers to speak of, and even if they do, I always notice some strange phenomenon where if the kid is fat, the parents are fat. Huh, who could've guessed? This means they almost certainly haven't been raised in a household where health is important. Some of them are just lazy fucks that thought entering the trades would mean big easy money somehow because they heard one of their electrician buds makes $35/hr, but I think a lazy "man" at 19 is more a result of his upbringing in most cases.

Speaking of which, I have one of those electrican buddies. While he's not making $35 (yet) he's a damn good electrician journeyman for a 25 year old. He is the zoomer you thank god for when he shows up to the jobsite. However despite the fact of him being a damn good worker who takes safety seriously he suffered an extremely nasty fall that could've permanently crippled or even killed him if he wasn't very lucky lets just say that. Had to stay in the hospital for almost a full month. (He's doing fine now) Oh and he almost got injured a month before that fall because some beaner drove their scissor lift into his boom lift.

But what if he didn't get lucky? I could've had a dead/crippled friend, and he's only 25. People hear of stories about tradesmen who can't even get out of bed at 50 without pain meds, and of young men being crippled and go "Why the fuck would I want to do THAT?! I'll just look for an office job, thanks." Combine that with the modern culture of avoiding discomfort at all costs, and of course, we'll have a society of weak men.

The way our society is structured around consoomerism and instant gratification kills entry-level blue-collar work as well. I've heard the "my rent is due next month, not 2 years from now. I just can't work here for $17 an hour when I can go to Walmart and make more than that!" line before a new guy quits. He doesn't want to work for that raise. People in today's world,. Zoomer or not, honestly expect to land a $70,000/yr+ job immediately. How else is he going to get pussy and afford a new car?

Unhealthy bodies lead to unhealthy minds, which leads to an unhealthy society.
 
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you're blaming the whole of education
Yes, Yes I am.

because 6% of gen z kids ended up loser duds in the literal sense.
No. Not even a little bit. I'd say 6% is actually pretty good for the bottom of the barrel kids. I'd expect 10-15% to be bottom of the barrel, tbh. That said, I don't give a fuck about the bottom 15%. They are fucked regardless of the money we throw at educating them, as countless inner city school funding programs have demonstrated. Actually, I do care about the bottom 15%, but only because those miserable cunts are why the standards for everyone else keep dropping. We have sacrificed the standards for education upon the altar of Equity, so we don't hurt the feelings of those dregs in that bottom 15%. That was a BIG fucking mistake. Fuck those kids, and their feelings. Why should the rest of the kids get the crab bucket treatment for the sake of the losers?

And the top 15%? Those kids don't need my help, they probably will be okay.

The other 70% are the ones I'm most concerned about. We've been failing them for far too long. We need to teach these kids actual life skills and responsibility. Most of the average students don't even read at grade level. You seem to imply average students are doing okay in the current system. I disagree, wholeheartedly.
 
scammers will fake an interview online via camera with an entirely digital actor just so they can steal whatever information you have for their uses.
they don't even have to do this.

Recently, one of our new hires (who happens to be a daughter of one of the managers) told us a story of how they got scammed from an interview.

They were supposedly applying to one of them big tech companies, and did a zoom interview. Scammer sent over app to fill out with personal info. after telling them they got hired, etc.

They submitted the info, and waited to hear back. never heard back...and scammer got all that info.

They didn't go into too much detail like what job platform they were using, or what kinda email they were submitting too, but shit I don't think I'd be that stupid to fall for something like that.
 
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