Palworld - Everything you have ever wanted from a Pokemon game

[Vyse Inglebard]

The fact that the interest in PalWorld genuinely scared them enough to do this despite playing nothing like Pokemon truly shows how much faith they have in the quality of The Pokemon Company's recent releases.

 

[giga sapling]

Nintendo waited patiently until Palworld was dead and made it's total profits. Now they will rape the Palworld devs to the last Yen.
Pray for the Palword devs

 

[Chernabog3000]

Nintendo took 9 months to respond. The money is already made.

Money made dosent matter. Nintendo can sue for what ever arbitrary sum they want.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

The fact that the interest in PalWorld genuinely scared them enough to do this despite playing nothing like Pokemon truly shows how much faith they have in the quality of The Pokemon Company's recent releases.

They may as well sue the developers of Coromon. That one plays like a DS era Pokemon game.

Software and gameplay patents are fucking cancer. I remember when Namco patented loading screen mini-games despite not actually being the first to do it. The patent expired right around when loading screens became nonexistent or disguised. Unironically hope Pocket Pair win because "capturing and summoning creatures in and from balls" is not a fucking unique concept that should be 'owned' by a megacorp.

Sega had a patent for the floating arrows in Crazy Taxi.

 

[TheRetardKing]

Hoooooooly crap, Nintendo's lawyers are retarded. They just don't care.

 

[Neil]

This is why your game is already over, ripoff child. Enjoy litigation.

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https://www.nintendo.co.jp/corporate/release/en/2024/240919.html

From what I'm hearing, it's over gameplay mechanics, not designs.

Stupid fucking move, I hope Nintendo loses hard.

Nintendo pulled the same shit against Fire Emblem's original creator, Shouzou Kaga, after he quit Nintendo to make his own Fire Emblem spiritual successor on the PS1. Nintendo sued because it was titled "Emblem Saga" originally. Nintendo got their asses handed to them in court so badly that they refuse to even acknowledge the man anymore.

Koga got away with selling a game that had a character that looked extremely similar to Marth, one of the MANY blue haired anime swordsmen in Fire Emblem, but with brown hair:

Hopefully history repeats itself here and gives Nintendo the giant middle finger it deserves after putting people like the husband-wife couple who ran Emuparadise and the Switch Hackers in lifetime debt-slavery for millions of dollars of "damages".

We should play a game of guessing which patent(s) they're gonna try to nail Palworld for infringement with.

A lot of these patents were filed like 20 years too late, the 2000s was full of "Pokemon-but-not-Pokemon" pokeclones, nowadays the indie scene is also full of direct "Pokemon-but-better" pokeclones that directly rip on the art style and gameplay. Many of these patents look like they were filed around the time that Pokemon Legends Arceus came out:

The left is a patent on PLA's "mechanic" of being able to throw a Pokemon while running around freely during battle. The other is the ability to mount those same capsule monsters and use them to explore.

There was one image where they literally patented throwing a ball to release a monster (stupid, considering Pokemon's original gameplay loop stealing from Ultraseven).

I think the sort of thing they might be trying to sue for would be specific 1:1 implementations of things in Pokemon like IVs, natures, egg groups, shininess, or hidden abilities as examples.

It's strange since none of these things are necessarily unique to Pokemon. The original Pokemon was a mishmash of Shin Megami Tensei's enemy/monster capture system, Dragon Quest's monster variety,

This comes after their recent win again three Chinese game developers.

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2024/09/pokemon-wins-usd15-million-copyright-lawsuit-against-chinese-mobile-game-developers

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This game used actual Pokemon characters and uses the "Pocket Monsters" name, Palworld doesn't.

This is the kind of trademark/copyright shit I can understand taking down. Taking down Palworld is just fucking stupid.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Apparently there's a shit ton of trademark stuff Nintendo patented/own copyright on when it comes to Pocket Monsters (this includes shit like cross breeding and daycare center). The list is huge.

This is disappointing they're going after the poor devs. Why they never went after mihoyo for copying the stamina wheel is beyond me.

Wasn't there a suit Capcom lost over Street Fighter back in the day?

 

[Trogspawn]

I can't believe this lolsuit is anything other than an attempt to hurt PocketPair. The patent itself is so nebulous and the idea that Nintendo alone owns the ability to make monster catching games is so insane I don't believe it's anything else.

 

[Clancee]

Nintendo could have put one over on Palworld by just making a better Pokémon game. They'd get to make money, take the attention off Palworld AND not have a refund fiasco like the most recent games.

 

[30+GameOvers]

The idea of patenting a gameplay concept as simple as this is ridiculous. What's stopping someone from patenting the concept of "man with gun shoots other man with gun"? Does that mean that my company now is the only one that can make FPS games and can sue other competitors?
This reminds me of that patent troll that copyrighted the word "Edge" and for the longest time you couldn't use that in any way in gaming without a pain in the ass lawsuit. That's how simple this is.

 

[Neil]

(this includes shit like cross breeding and daycare center). The list is huge.

That kind of shit is crazy because a billion other games have done the cross-breeding and daycare mechanic (Sonic Adventure's Chao Garden and Monster Rancher for example). TPC and Game Freak hopped on the patent troll bandwagon 25 years far too late.

I can't believe this lolsuit is anything other than an attempt to hurt PocketPair. The patent itself is so nebulous and the idea that Nintendo alone owns the ability to make monster catching games is so insane I don't believe it's anything else.

Both Sony and Microsoft have pushed Palworld to the forefront during console advertisements and gameplay showcase directs, I have no doubt that the sheer amount of clout, as well as its legal solidity is what has Ninty more pissed off than anything.

They're unironically afraid that it might eat away at even a fraction of Pokemon's marketshare for people who don't want to compromise owning consoles that can run modern games at a decent framerate with decent graphics for a 2016 android tablet that struggles to beat its predecessor console at times for a single monster catching game.

 

[Devolve]

The idea of patenting a gameplay concept as simple as this is ridiculous. What's stopping someone from patenting the concept of "man with gun shoots other man with gun"? Does that mean that my company now is the only one that can make FPS games and can sue other competitors?
This reminds me of that patent troll that copyrighted the word "Edge" and for the longest time you couldn't use that in any way in gaming without a pain in the ass lawsuit. That's how simple this is.

you might be amused to find out why games like "worlds" still exist...

Spoiler: well gee I wonder what they own

https://patents.justia.com/patent/7181690

 

[Pierre D'Olnique]

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Holy shit that cratered hard. Real shame since it's pretty cool and good, I hope this kicks up a complete shit storm though and massively backfires.

It's an offline singleplayer game still in alpha with a finite amount of content that will eventually live (or die) by the modding community. And there is a LOT of mods being made, in part thanks to autistic furfags picking it up. Not quite on the level of Bethesda games (sans Saarfield) yet, but it's getting there. The interest will eventually drop off and of course it feels like it plummetted the hardest because of how high the concurrent player count was (even I am suffering from a burnout right now and I used to suck its proverbial dick 24/7, stopping at about 350 hours played). It's all relative. Juse compare those two.

 

[TheDataHorder]

it's over gameplay mechanics, not designs.

i find it really interesting that designs aren't included in the suit.

they used AI to help design the pals, if they went after the designs then that could be a problem for AI image generation. because if they won, any kind of of AI art in the commercial space might become too risky to use. so company's will stop using it, causing AI companies to lose money, causing them to lose stock, and popping the AI bubble.
with so many invested in AI right now, i wouldn't be surprised if possibly dozens of companies comming to pocketpair's side. because if they lose, an entire industry would go up in flames.
it's probably why Nintendo didn't include it, the amount of other companies fighting it would be impossible for their legal team to defend.
not only that if they lose the suit, they lose everything, designs AND gameplay mechanics.
whether it'll hold up in court is anyone's guess.

 

[Übertroon]

I'm inclined towards believing this lawsuit is only happening so the nintendorks on twitter will stop pestering them about the topic.
They've got these people in shareholder meetings demanding they sue the game for copying catching monsters in balls

 

[BrainProlapse]

Nintendo could have put one over on Palworld by just making a better Pokémon game.

I don't think they can even make a good Pokemon game anymore.

Bet it pissed off executives to no end all the praise Palworld got as "the Pokemon game everyone wanted for 20 years"

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Okay, it was this one. Fighters History.
Capcom sued DataEast claiming it was a direct ripoff of Street Fighter 2, up to and including a Chun Li bootleg character, and the fact that DE had several design documents that referenced SFII......

And the DataEast  won! The judge said they were creating a merger doctrine which means you can't get copyright protection on a monopoly.

So I'm wondering if this has any sort of precedence to the Nintendo suit.

 

[Spud]

Okay, it was this one. So I'm wondering if this has any sort of precedence to the Nintendo suit.

Capcom U.S.A. Inc.

Aren't they suing them in Japan? If they are, they wouldn't care about American courts and their rulings as they're far different with different interpretations of copyright and the laws regarding it.

 

[Clown]

Just bought the game last night, to give it a shot in lieu of Nintendo being faggots

Hope Nintendo loses, they've squandered the Pokemon series long enough

 

[indomitable snowman]

Scumbags.
Nintendo is the anti-fun company ran by lawyers and supported by man-children.