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That isn't that unlikely though. Secularization is really tearing through the ME, and places like Egypt are on the fast track to just not caring.
Yeah, but they will probably never outwardly say they are abandoning Islam itself. It's a belief system and culture at this point. Nobody belives in Rah however Egypt won't just go "Nah we aren't in the land of Pharaohs anymore". It's too much ingrained into its image.
 
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Yeah, but they will probably never outwardly say they are abandoning Islam itself. It's a belief system and culture at this point. Nobody belives in Rah however Egypt won't just go "Nah we aren't in the land of Pharaohs anymore". It's too much ingrained into its image.
For most of Islamic Egyptian history they actively repudiated their pagan history, and now they are actively promoting it under the secularizing government. So no, they did at one point.
 
People are becoming too socially conservative for mainline Protestant sects while also distrusting institutional bodies to the point where the Pope or Vatican™ no longer has spiritual authority for most.
Brother, it’s not the mainline sects that are growing there…

Nobody gives a shit what churches crowned themselves “mainline.”
 
Brother, it’s not the mainline sects that are growing there…
So, are they Protestant in name and semi-doctrine only? That makes sense I guess.
For most of Islamic Egyptian history they actively repudiated their pagan history, and now they are actively promoting it under the secularizing government. So no, they did at one point.
I don't know much about Modern Egyptian politics so I'll take your word for now. I'll wait until this "secularizing" government becomes more cemented or goes the way of the Shah of Iran.
 
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Good post, informative
With this, it also goes towards explaining the mass conversion of Catholic Latinos to Evangelical, Pentecostal and Mormon denominations. More religious than Catholic Europe for reasons of unga bunga Third World jungle, but dropped Catholicism to become hardcore tongue speakers the moment they could. Came long after secularization, but took a while to get enough of a critical mass of converts to be effective. Religion is a “positive network good,” can’t do Catholicism or Protestantism without buddies, takes a long time to get the ball rolling.

I may be overly bold, but I predict Latin America as a whole going majority Protestant like regions of Brazil and Guatemala have.
Other religions can grow too.
Bukele's father is well known for building mosque and shilling islam hard in the country.
 
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Watch this video it explains exactly what mainline is.
I click on this link only to then get recommended this video by the same guy:

Not an "own" but a funny coincidence. This is in America so abroad it's probably different. I mean whatever brand they develop over in Latin American countries will probably look different from European/U.S. sects given enough time. If there can be a dozen sub-denominations in the United States alone then we might see a fracturing in South America. I just don't think Roman Catholicism is gonna simply up and disappear anytime soon or without some resistance. This protestant growth could slow down for whatever reason if the governments start taking issue. Argentina has some strong German communities that were watched regularly to ensure they never culturally or religiously affected the outward population too much. I'll come back in ten years to definitively say if I was wrong or right.
 
Haiti was bad (very bad), but there were still many in the south in favor of gradual emancipation who retained high office after it - if anything it gave the American Colonization society its kickstart. The thing that, imo, really worked to put the discussion of gradual emancipation in its grave was Nat Turner's rebellion, which was effectively a localized Haitian revolution; it was after that most state laws against teaching slaves to read were passed (that plenty of slaveholders just ignored, including Jeff Davis lmao) and abolitionist pamphlets began to be criminalized.
What would happened if the US government came out fully in favour of African repatriation to Liberia/Africa/Haiti? Would that have prevented the civil war or would southerner planters still sperg out over not having free labour? Would the average Southerner support it? This path would obviously be wayyyyy too controversial for Victoria 3 but it is in the HPM mod for Vic2 if the US has a fascist government.
 
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The more likely route is that a new branch of Roman Catholicism will emerge from the current religious exchanges in North & South America that will look something akin to Old Catholic Evangelicalism.
It actually already has; Charismatic Catholicism is increasingly popular in Brazil, largely as a reaction to the increasing urban growth of Pentecostals. LatAM Bishops still tend to be asleep at the wheel when it comes to their flocks but there are popular revival movements in Catholicism nowadays in the same way that medieval monasteries were the ones keeping popular faith alive for centuries.
That isn't that unlikely though. Secularization is really tearing through the ME, and places like Egypt are on the fast track to just not caring.
ISIS had a Caliphate less than a decade ago and the Taliban seized Afghanistan three years ago, the Islamic world goes through this cycle of alleged secularization and fundamentalist revival constantly and secularization always loses.
 
So, are they Protestant in name and semi-doctrine only? That makes sense I guess.

I don't know much about Modern Egyptian politics so I'll take your word for now. I'll wait until this "secularizing" government becomes more cemented or goes the way of the Shah of Iran.
No? But I understand now that you don't know what mainline is.
It's a kind of vague term but it means the traditionally large, organized churches that had some kind of state power, like the Lutherans, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Congregationalists (which are now called Church of Christ) and so on. Churches that were tied in to the power structure of the country.

Except guess what: the mainline denominations are fucking tiny. There is an entire region of the country dominated by Southern Baptists, like one of the largest churches (if you consider the Southern Baptist Convention a church), and it isn't considered mainline. Often you'll look at some denomination that had a liberal-conservative theological split and the "mainline" branch is a tenth the size of the evangelical branch.

It's all bullshit. It's a cultural artifact from another era, like the idea of a social register/old money is.
 
What would happened if the US government came out fully in favour of African repatriation to Liberia/Africa/Haiti? Would that have prevented the civil war or would southerner planters still sperg out over not having free labour? Would the average Southerner support it? This path would obviously be wayyyyy too controversial for Victoria 3 but it is in the HPM mod for Vic2 if the US has a fascist government.
There still would have been massive sectional tensions and honestly I think a conflict would have been inevitable as the US continued to scale up. Slavery itself was just an avenue of power politics; New English industry was also heavily reliant on cheap cotton and the south being an easy market for industrial imports, and even had slavery been gradually and peacefully phased out and most of the former slaves set up in Liberia or Haiti the south would still clash with the northeast over import duties and tariffs, and the northeast would continue to push for the money raised by those to be spent almost entirely on building better internal improvements with the growing northwest industry to the exclusion of the south. These economic debates weren't isolated from political consequences either; Nullification was employed by both the New England states in the Hartford Convention and South Carolina in the Nullification crisis to protest economic policies that they felt completely ignored their wellbeing, and even if all the black slaves were replaced with poor whites the actual economic incentive structure would still encourage one section of the country to try to exclude the other economically and politically. It's important to remember that disparity in economic power didn't stop the south from trying to leave historically either; the Confederates genuinely believed they had a legal right to secede, and genuinely believed they would be able to peacefully (and did for half a year, which doesn't really have any comparison elsewhere).

Honestly the only way I really see any war being avoided (or at least secession remaining peaceful) is if the US doesn't expand beyond the Mississippi. Westward expansion aggravated every single economic grievance and opened the door for a whole host of political incidents and tensions to exacerbate them.
 
Is this nigga on the thread? Lemon Cake if you are here mention New Zealand in the next video you make.

I loved his slavery video.

"Yeah, slavery is represented quite historically in Vic 3, and it sucks because those niggas don't pay taxes or buy shit so they're a complete fucking drain on your economy."
 
I loved his slavery video.

"Yeah, slavery is represented quite historically in Vic 3, and it sucks because those niggas don't pay taxes or buy shit so they're a complete fucking drain on your economy."
I have always found economic arguments against slavery to be more cogent than moral ones, in part because it is more honest, and in part because it makes libtards seethe even when you are substantively agreeing that slavery is bad.
 
Much like today.
Woah woah woah, they do buy shit, and buy shit like crazy. They're just using other people's money to do it with.
I have always found economic arguments against slavery to be more cogent than moral ones, in part because it is more honest, and in part because it makes libtards seethe even when you are substantively agreeing that slavery is bad.
Before the rise of the Republican Party the northern wing of the broadly pro-business Whigs were some of the biggest opponents of slavery in the USA.
 
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Slavery only benefits the richest, just like the billionaires of today.
I'm sure in the year 60 BC there was some wealthy senator in Rome telling a crowd of angry citizens

"But without importing infinity celtic slaves, who will pick your crops? Who will clean your public bathrooms?"
"Pay us a decent wage and we'll do it."
"But then the price of bread will increase."
"We already recieve free bread because none of us have any jobs!"

And then it would just devolve into calling each other the Roman equivalent of racist, populist, fascist, Donald DRUMPF!
 
I have always found economic arguments against slavery to be more cogent than moral ones, in part because it is more honest, and in part because it makes libtards seethe even when you are substantively agreeing that slavery is bad.
I don’t. The good introduction to this is Fogel and Engermann, Time on the Cross.
 
Slavery only benefits the richest, just like the billionaires of today.
I'm sure in the year 60 BC there was some wealthy senator in Rome telling a crowd of angry citizens

"But without importing infinity celtic slaves, who will pick your crops? Who will clean your public bathrooms?"
"Pay us a decent wage and we'll do it."
"But then the price of bread will increase."
"We already recieve free bread because none of us have any jobs!"

And then it would just devolve into calling each other the Roman equivalent of racist, populist, fascist, Donald DRUMPF!
Man, sounds like a ripe opportunity for a man of the people to get elected on the basis of the Senate being filled with a bunch of out-of-touch cunts...
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No? But I understand now that you don't know what mainline is.
It's a kind of vague term but it means the traditionally large, organized churches that had some kind of state power, like the Lutherans, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Congregationalists (which are now called Church of Christ) and so on. Churches that were tied in to the power structure of the country.

Except guess what: the mainline denominations are fucking tiny. There is an entire region of the country dominated by Southern Baptists, like one of the largest churches (if you consider the Southern Baptist Convention a church), and it isn't considered mainline. Often you'll look at some denomination that had a liberal-conservative theological split and the "mainline" branch is a tenth the size of the evangelical branch.

It's all bullshit. It's a cultural artifact from another era, like the idea of a social register/old money is.

I know who and what the classical or historical Protestant groups are in the United States, different from the newer branches sweeping the nation over the past half a century. I understand now that you and others don't consider the Evangelicals as mainline even though they unofficially are which is why I took into consideration the semi-recent "distaste" of it by the online youth, for not being "true" to the faith due to them being associated with neo-conservatives, when I made my theological shot in the dark comment. That connotation of course doesn't exist in Latin America, but you could see why I'd think whatever "Protestantism" develops in Brazil or Central America would be something that not even Evangelicals would consider the same as theirs just due to how the pre-existing culture will mold it to fit their unique value systems. Too Protestant for Catholics, too Catholic for Protestants.
"Yeah, slavery is represented quite historically in Vic 3, and it sucks because those niggas don't pay taxes or buy shit so they're a complete fucking drain on your economy."

The British figured that out in the 1830s and made the switch to a more refined "indentured" slavery which allowed their Caribbean plantations or companies to work the same, just replacing the slaves with a bunch of Indians who would work in the same conditions for less than pennies. They were "free men" so the obligation of providing them with housing or food was on them, along with now being taxable.

It's kind of funny to think back on considering that Tech companies are now getting grilled for doing a more modernized version, so that's another thing we can thank the Angloids for setting the precedent for. Bring this up the next time one of them gets smug when talking about the Civil War. It sure was easy to comply with the abolitionists when 99.99% of the slave populations weren't even on the same continent.
 
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