Pitch: Women's Only App Enforced by 3rd Party ID Verification

[Cuban Pete]

This sounds like the start of a bad joke.
Make a women only dating website so you don’t have to deal with /soc/ except you’re the admin for 20 different flavours of /soc/

 

[Karen of Human Resources]

Again, not a tech expert, but I do remember there was a dating website many years ago you had to go through a panel of judges to be allowed to join. If you were judged too fat or too ugly, you were told to fuck off.

If Reddit can find jannies, I don't think it would be too hard to find a quorum of harpies to examine new recruits for Adams apples.

Deepfakes, cliques, lack of anonymity and general mean girl ism being the main cons.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

Both are well intentioned ideas, but how would you go about blacklisting an ID from a nefarious tranny while also not keeping some ID data logged?

The third party authenticator uses a special mathematical formula to create a unique symbol from the ID. This formula has the property that it is very hard to reverse, to recreate the ID from the symbol, but two symbols can be compared to see if they are identical. That way anonymity can be preserved.

The weak link is that you have to trust the third party authenticator. They can promise to delete all gov ID info, and still have a tranny intern upload it all to the web. And these 3rd party verifiers can be subject to political pressure from gross crossdressing freaks that smell like Albanian public toilets (very bad)

 

[cybertoaster]

3rd party verifications ask for the bar code on your id so they can check it against databases. It's not that simple.

Couldn't they just use another woman's ID? like their mother's?

 

[Lidl Drip]

@Null When I first read this thread title, I thought it meant that the app would be called “Pitch,” which made sense and was somewhat clever since troons have very different voices from real women that no amount of vocal training/surgery can truly change.

It needs to be called something to ward off trannies and men so perhaps something like "wrinkle" since they are disgusted by the thought of a woman who is over 25. They will be like "Wrinkle?? Eewww!! I identify as a hawt teenage girl only!"

 

[Eleventyish]

A better idea is to reduce the demand for access to female spaces by trannies by making a honeypot that appeals to their interests and is not actually end-to-end decrypted, and then provide Kiwi Farms staff and a friendly law enforcement agency root level access to it.

You wouldn't need to end the gayop, you could just say you were hacked or accuse some random fake identity you made as "head moderator" of being retarded at security.

Look at Something Awful, trannies will throw their tugboats at you if you agree with them and cater to their fetishes.

All it takes is about 100,000 arrests for attempting to solicit a minor (actually a cop) and the tranny thing will die down.

You could also do network analysis to identify leaders and facilitators for law enforcment. This capability could later be leveraged as a business.

 

[Null]

Couldn't they just use another woman's ID? like their mother's?

Yes, but they would theoretically run out eventually. It's much harder than, say, changing VPN.

 

[Taxidermied Rat]

- Null has a very good reputation of being trust worthy and having privacy respecting data retention policies

- No deplatforming. Doing it on your own means no harassment by people trying to cause problem for the website.

I agree with this. I would still use the site if it was third party, but I trust Null more than I do some business. It just takes one retard at a company to leak a whole bunch of info. Null is %1000 smarter and more trust worthy than some Indian contractor.

I was thinking it would benefit from categorizing discussion on a spiciness and make the most uncensored area age gated.

I hope that you would age gate joining or posting on the website as well. I think having any children(<18 ) on the site would lead to unnecessary drama.

 

[Seething Troon Collector]

I've run into a real problem: these identity services like Plaid and Stripe do not actually provide the gender field. They seem to deliberately omit that. They'll tell you everything else.

I was doing some digging into other identity verification services and ran into the same thing. It returns a result, but doesn't include fields like that. After doing some researching, I ran across this... Strengthening gender identity inclusion in ID systems. Of course it's from the fucking World Bank.

 

[Sonic]

I've run into a real problem: these identity services like Plaid and Stripe do not actually provide the gender field. They seem to deliberately omit that. They'll tell you everything else.

What if you can create a random "pass phrase" that users have to record themselves saying and then gave then the option to attach that video or audio file to the to sign up form? Perhaps there is a way you could automate some sort of "gender authentication process"? Male vocal patterns have to be distinct in some way, be it pitch or whatever. I wonder if there is software that can be programmed to identify male vocal patterns and deny them access.

This pass phrase could be something that would cause those male vocal patterns to manifest themselves, regardless of how much "voice training" a tranny has had.

 

[The Repeated Meme]

It's also worth noting that it helps defeat claims of sex-based discrimination, because this wholesome community would be for people born with a specific chromosomal configuration and specific organs.

That sounds incredibly legally dubious. I doubt such a argument would hold up in a sex discrimination lawsuit.

 

[Caesar]

I've run into a real problem: these identity services like Plaid and Stripe do not actually provide the gender field. They seem to deliberately omit that. They'll tell you everything else.

There was a bill in the UK that was having issue with this - https://sex-matters.org/posts/healthcare/getting-sex-right-in-digital-verification-services/ - wonder if it's a similar issue.

I imagine there are companies in other regions, like surely China etc (don't know about their policy on sexual in this instance I'm just giving them as an example), but to normies, when it becomes "verify your ID via China/the Bahamas/whatever" probably sounds a bit too much like some kinda scam/trick.

 

[Null]

That sounds incredibly legally dubious. I doubt such a argument would hold up in a sex discrimination lawsuit.

I guess we'll see.

 

[Dyn]

That sounds incredibly legally dubious. I doubt such a argument would hold up in a sex discrimination lawsuit.

That's for employment stuff, you're allowed to discriminate who can shitpost on your autism forum.

 

[The Repeated Meme]

Here's a thought, why not make a separate women only thread in BP from the man hate thread, and don't allow anyone to post on it until they send you proof of their sex?

Or is there a specific reason you want this service to be separate from the forum?

 

[crazedaze]

What if you can create a random "pass phrase" that users have to record themselves saying and then gave then the option to attach that video or audio file to the to sign up form? Perhaps there is a way you could automate some sort of "gender authentication process"?

Interesting. There's an AI model I used recently called gender guesser that you fed text to and it determined if it was written by a man or woman. Perhaps you could authenticate for this app by writing a 500 word text on a subject of your choosing and feeding it to AI and you use that to determine likely sex. Probably even better than using ID which is both falsifiable by troons and not even shown by third party authenticators

 

[Kalamazoo 2 Timbuktu]

Here's a thought, why not make a separate women only thread in BP from the man hate thread, and don't allow anyone to post on it until they send you proof of their sex?

Or is there a specific reason you want this service to be separate from the forum?

Possibly because of potential legal trouble. If you’re expecting that, it makes sense to dissociate the two totally.

 

[Mankirk]

I'm a little loopy so apologies for overthinking and talking too much.


While the identification scheme sounds like it would work, I'm not sure how well lay-women will be able to use, keep, and secure their tokens (and/or are you going to save them as cookies or session data?). Also consider the "lost password/api key" outcome, which will possibly require additional id verifications to resolve if you aren't keeping emails for users. If you're confident monetization will work that doesn't have to be a problem, or could be shifted onto the user, but that is one more assumption or problem. If there ever was a breach that compromised all of the api keys, would there be a way forward that doesn't involve having all users re-verify their identities? I understand the goal of a female space/area, but are there other ways it could be achieved?

My big picture thoughts are that you already have a flourishing female community here on the farms, and this may wind up being so much work that you eventually fail to follow through since you have so much bullshit to deal with. If you want things to be more anonymous, or have more secured/segregated areas, that sounds like a great idea to try out here. I'm not sure what the ID requirement would add for the users. Perhaps if there was a super sekrit area that required verification then users you are able to attract more easily would engage with it, but it's a bit much of an ask just to dip your toes in the water, particularly for the less technically in-the-know. Since you've acknowledged that some trannies will get through anyways and will have to be jannied, does ID verification provide enough value to justify the cost compared to something like email or phone number verification? You could still provide API keys that way if you were so inclined. Ultimately, community moderation will be needed regardless.

I've run into a real problem: these identity services like Plaid and Stripe do not actually provide the gender field. They seem to deliberately omit that. They'll tell you everything else.

That's a bit of a wrench thrown into the works, surely there has to be one service that gives that to you? Maybe you could lean into a system of self identification and reprisal for being where you don't belong and disturbing the peace?

I'm also considering a simple segregation.

Does this include a general area that all app users can access? If so, I would consider a simple verification (email/phone number generated api key) with the ability to use the third party id verification services to associate more specific demographic information with the simple key - you could even associate a simple key with a verified key to avoid tying PII to any form of contact visible via breach. This would avoid having to reverify in case of a lost key, avoid having an upfront cost for new users, let you deal breaches more simply, and still allows you to track bad actors (banned accounts could taint the simple key and/or the verified key as appropriate).

Monetization would be through average routes and also play store. It's not an offensive app and I have an idea of how to market it safely which I won't discuss.

I would love to see you release a simple app that is financially successful, but it's possible you're getting cocky and have forgotten that you are the nigger of the world, and companies will go out of their way to break their own terms of service and also the law to fuck with you for little to no reason or consequence. I'm also not sure how well you will be able to effectively distance this new app from KF, which leads back to me wanting to see some of these ideas tried out here. The new app will be heavily impacted by the reputation of your site and you, due to your orbiting a-logs if nothing else. If you aren't investing a whole lot of time and effort into getting it off the ground then maybe that's just part of the risk, but past a certain point I think that would hurt.

It's not an offensive app

A lot of people, corporations, and governments find transphobia pretty offensive, even though I agree it's a reasonable idea.


Anyways, good luck, sneed, TTD etc

 

[Wodanaz]

Can't wait for the resultant leaks and drama.

 

[Safir]

1. ID verification will still allow troons who have changed their gender marker. While moderation will likely clock them eventually, it does create distrust within the community and it being an anonymous imageboard doesn't help.

And it'll allow handmaidens and such. A lurking verified account will be able to scrape content and repost it elsewhere. You can't really clock a lurker. But you don't have to, you have to make peace with the fact that public posts are public, there's nothing that'll prevent (worst case) taking photos of the screen with another device.

Not having to deal with penisbrains and programmer socks is already an improvement.

I think a lot of women on here see "Null" and immediately think our lord and savior can deliver the community of their dreams, to each her own at the same time, then get disappointed. But it's not what he's offering, he's offering a replacement for a service that existed and that many women used and liked.