Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Floop]

Is it ironic or coincidence that the game that had "Professors fucking up the bodies of Pokemon" is the gen that is "Game company is fucking up the code of Pokemon"?

I thought you were gonna compare it to Undertale. You know, cuz Toby Fox made a song, and....

 

[MrSugarcube]

How credible is the lack of attack animations complaint? People keep comparing S&H animations with those of Stadium and Gale of Darkness. While I remember these games having nice idle animations I distinctly remember pokemon only having 1 or 2 animations tops for every single move. Furthermore, they usually feature the worst of the worst animations when making these comparisons such as the hopping one.

At least from the little experience I've had with shield, Pokemon have about two types of attack animations (physical and special), while generic attacks tend to have the hop animation, in this situation Double Kick getting the latter.

 

[Coelacanth]

Just to let you all know a possible new bug has been discovered to do with the shiny lock:

https://twitter.com/Maturekura389_l/status/1196346625083338757

According to the tweet this guy managed to run into a shiny doggo when the datamine confirmed the box legendaries are locked. This could potentially mean that the shiny lock isn't working for the starters or the gift pokemon you get in the game either, so if you want to do full odds hunts to get these mons and the bug is confirmed now would be the time to do it.

 

[Questionable Ceviche]

How credible is the lack of attack animations complaint? People keep comparing S&H animations with those of Stadium and Gale of Darkness. While I remember these games having nice idle animations I distinctly remember pokemon only having 1 or 2 animations tops for every single move. Furthermore, they usually feature the worst of the worst animations when making these comparisons such as the hopping one.

I thought the MUH ANIMATIONS complaints before the launch was mostly a bunch of manchild complaining until I actually played the game.

The shitty animations on existing pokemon were at least a little less... bad looking on a small screen? On the console, up on a big TV, it's so much more apparent. The idle animations they use in the overworld are really bad. They were meant for stationary battle scenes, not as a walking or moving animation, and the lack of polish really shows. They don't look like they're part of the world because they're sliding around or spinning in circles instead of interacting with the environment. It's especially bad for pokemon with wings.

The pop-in is very distracting. BOTW let you see monsters across the map so you could move strategically. In this game on the bike, you can run into an encounter you didn't want because the model pops in at the last second. Pokemon that are supposed to be maybe 10-20 feet away from you in the game world will pop in and out as they move around. Trainers randomly appear and disappear in battle scenes.

I feel a bit pedantic complaining about something that ultimately is mostly a cosmetic issue. The issues with the animation are more symptomatic of how mismanaged the development was for something like this to happen. The game looks and feels like it was meant to be a 3DS title that was ported 3/4ths of the way through development and never got finished.

 

[zyclonPD]

I thought the MUH ANIMATIONS complaints before the launch was mostly a bunch of manchild complaining until I actually played the game.

The shitty animations on existing pokemon were at least a little less... bad looking on a small screen? On the console, up on a big TV, it's so much more apparent. The idle animations they use in the overworld are really bad. They were meant for stationary battle scenes, not as a walking or moving animation, and the lack of polish really shows. They don't look like they're part of the world because they're sliding around or spinning in circles instead of interacting with the environment. It's especially bad for pokemon with wings.

The pop-in is very distracting. BOTW let you see monsters across the map so you could move strategically. In this game on the bike, you can run into an encounter you didn't want because the model pops in at the last second. Pokemon that are supposed to be maybe 10-20 feet away from you in the game world will pop in and out as they move around. Trainers randomly appear and disappear in battle scenes.

I feel a bit pedantic complaining about something that ultimately is mostly a cosmetic issue. The issues with the animation are more symptomatic of how mismanaged the development was for something like this to happen. The game looks and feels like it was meant to be a 3DS title that was ported 3/4ths of the way through development and never got finished.

Pokemon's biggest hurdle that they have with this game is unmet expectations. Most everything released on the switch so far has brought something new to the table. Mario advanced in some ways, Zelda advanced in some ways, even the new animal crossing game is going to have placeable furniture anywhere in the world not just the sandbox of your home.

every game has advanced to new hardware in some way shape or form even a shity game like animal crossing but the sore thumb sticking out for everybody to see is Game freak and their Pokemon game which is basically just port of a 3DS game. why is it that every development team that makes games for Nintendo felt the need to advance in some way except one of the biggest things that's been with them since the Game boy?

 

[Ido]

All I get out of this is that Game Freak's most fatal flaw is they doesn't know how to human. They can make pokedex entries/animations for a fantastic magical beasts to give them personality, it works because pokemon that look like thugs (krookodile, Pangoro, and Scrafty) don't need more personality than to just look/act devious. They're animals (well... most of them are), they don't need intricate back stories, they don't need family or friends, all they need to do is look the part. That's the most important part about Pokemon is the Pokemon. This worked until they jumped to 3D.

Way back before 3ds the characters other than the bad guys were never important, Red didn't say anything, Blue was just kind of an asshole but didn't really have any personality, the Gym leaders entire personality was their team and design and you didn't really see them much after their gym. They were never good with character development in the first place, and all the personality came from the writers in the anime/manga fleshing them out. My fondness for Brock and Misty is solely due to the anime as a kid, I don't think I ever would've thought twice about them without it. I understand this continues to be true, the anime/manga has much more freedom to work with, but their current writing team for the game tries really hard to add this aspect but they SUCK at it.

I guess Diamond and Pearl was the first to technically do the friend as your rival with Berry, I never really cared all that much about him and I memory holed him being the rival and thought it was the other MC until I was writing this. I can't remember a whole lot about him so I have no beef with him. I did think it was annoying in the beginning to go with him to the lake, though. However, since Black and White came right after I feel they were going in the right direction. They were believable, Cheren becoming a gym leader and Bianca the professors assistant was great. It was still 2d and the only face to face interaction you had with them was through the Xtransceiver. Then X and Y happened, Shauna, Tierno, Trevor, along with Calem or Serene, despite being in 3d these character's were so god damn one dimensional. The jump to 3D left them with those blank empty faces, and they didn't really seem like friends. bare minimum personalities thrown together. Sure it was cute that we all went through the forest together but they just aren't interesting, the single character trait they were each given doesn't make for a very well rounded group of friends. This worsened in Sun and Moon, Hau and Lillie were terrible, they were everywhere, I couldn't escape them. I couldn't enjoy Gladion as the rival because Hau and Lillie kept butting in to my business. They really tried to make Lillie this pure innocent little character who works through it to become stronger but her and Hau were just obnoxious. This is where I think everything else fell apart, they tried to give the trial leaders have personality but it just doesn't work, they have the same depth as Shauna, Tierno and Trevor do but there's more of them, they also seem more like "friends" than anything. Then I hear that Hop is Hau but worse and apparently everywhere. As I haven't played the game, I hear Bede and Marnie are ok but I can't verify.

Like, they really lost the understanding of how people, kids especially, make friends and talk to each other or act. It's like having to hang out with the autistic kid down the street because your parents are friends, he is socially inept and doesn't understand personal space. I don't expect to get a good story or characters from a Pokemon game, the MC has always been just an empty husk, but they're really REALLY botching the human aspect up to the point it's inexcusable and hindering the game. I don't need good well rounded characters, I just need them to not be annoying and GF is failing even that.

 

[ducktales4gameboy]

The 'hop is everywhere' summation doesn't really do it justice. That fucker really IS everywhere and if you see him you know there's two minutes of cutscene coming where he spews verbal diarrhea at you with the tone you'd expect from a 90s educational game aimed at preteens.
Bede is just an obnoxious repetition of that edgy elitist prep kid stereotype with nothing new added to it. Haven't seen Marnie. I like Milo's design even though it's kind of cliche. He feels like he should be a shopkeeper in a Harvest Moon game.

 

[Overcast]

All I get out of this is that Game Freak's most fatal flaw is they doesn't know how to human. They can make pokedex entries/animations for a fantastic magical beasts to give them personality, it works because pokemon that look like thugs (krookodile, Pangoro, and Scrafty) don't need more personality than to just look/act devious. They're animals (well... most of them are), they don't need intricate back stories, they don't need family or friends, all they need to do is look the part. That's the most important part about Pokemon is the Pokemon. This worked until they jumped to 3D.

Way back before 3ds the characters other than the bad guys were never important, Red didn't say anything, Blue was just kind of an asshole but didn't really have any personality, the Gym leaders entire personality was their team and design and you didn't really see them much after their gym. They were never good with character development in the first place, and all the personality came from the writers in the anime/manga fleshing them out. My fondness for Brock and Misty is solely due to the anime as a kid, I don't think I ever would've thought twice about them without it. I understand this continues to be true, the anime/manga has much more freedom to work with, but their current writing team for the game tries really hard to add this aspect but they SUCK at it.

I guess Diamond and Pearl was the first to technically do the friend as your rival with Berry, I never really cared all that much about him and I memory holed him being the rival and thought it was the other MC until I was writing this. I can't remember a whole lot about him so I have no beef with him. I did think it was annoying in the beginning to go with him to the lake, though. However, since Black and White came right after I feel they were going in the right direction. They were believable, Cheren becoming a gym leader and Bianca the professors assistant was great. It was still 2d and the only face to face interaction you had with them was through the Xtransceiver. Then X and Y happened, Shauna, Tierno, Trevor, along with Calem or Serene, despite being in 3d these character's were so god damn one dimensional. The jump to 3D left them with those blank empty faces, and they didn't really seem like friends. bare minimum personalities thrown together. Sure it was cute that we all went through the forest together but they just aren't interesting, the single character trait they were each given doesn't make for a very well rounded group of friends. This worsened in Sun and Moon, Hau and Lillie were terrible, they were everywhere, I couldn't escape them. I couldn't enjoy Gladion as the rival because Hau and Lillie kept butting in to my business. They really tried to make Lillie this pure innocent little character who works through it to become stronger but her and Hau were just obnoxious. This is where I think everything else fell apart, they tried to give the trial leaders have personality but it just doesn't work, they have the same depth as Shauna, Tierno and Trevor do but there's more of them, they also seem more like "friends" than anything. Then I hear that Hop is Hau but worse and apparently everywhere. As I haven't played the game, I hear Bede and Marnie are ok but I can't verify.

Like, they really lost the understanding of how people, kids especially, make friends and talk to each other or act. It's like having to hang out with the autistic kid down the street because your parents are friends, he is socially inept and doesn't understand personal space. I don't expect to get a good story or characters from a Pokemon game, the MC has always been just an empty husk, but they're really REALLY botching the human aspect up to the point it's inexcusable and hindering the game. I don't need good well rounded characters, I just need them to not be annoying and GF is failing even that.

For me, Black and White hit that sweet spot in terms of Pokemon characters. They were likable but I don’t recall them being super intrusive to the flow of gameplay. Plus the whole meta commentary to the nature of owning Pokemon was a neat touch. I don’t recall the game getting super philosophical about it, but it never needed to. It was like you said, a step in the right direction.

Also Bianca’s starting animation for when you fight her is adorable.

 

[Floop]

Kami on Twitter

“Why don't they just make a mod to show Melony's fat fucking tits instead who cares about seeing a tree for 5 seconds you cowards https://t.co/84aTUsljax”

twitter.com

 

[Rotollo]

Kami on Twitter

“Why don't they just make a mod to show Melony's fat fucking tits instead who cares about seeing a tree for 5 seconds you cowards https://t.co/84aTUsljax”

twitter.com

we got it all wrong, it isn't kids or 90's kids NU pokemon is trying to apeal to, it's Coomers

For me, Black and White hit that sweet spot in terms of Pokemon characters. They were likable but I don’t recall them being super intrusive to the flow of gameplay. Plus the whole meta commentary to the nature of owning Pokemon was a neat touch. I don’t recall the game getting super philosophical about it, but it never needed to. It was like you said, a step in the right direction.

Also Bianca’s starting animation for when you fight her is adorable.

I think Platinum was when they started to add characterization to the characters like introducing looker, making Cynthia kinda cool as a champion, making Cyrus just a bit more interesting as an antagonist ect. it all came to a head in black and white actually being a bit thunkful about it.
Gen 6-8 has a problem of "tell too much" when it comes to dialouge, they really don't know when to leave stuff to the players imagination. Platinum cyrus actually is a good example of how to leave it minimal, you don't really know he hates humans because he was fucking around with machines until post game, and even then it's subtext. If it was the 3d era he would be talking about how humanity is inefficient and making direct comparisons to machines every 5 seconds rather then just saying how he thinks spirit hampers progress.

The pop-in is very distracting. BOTW let you see monsters across the map so you could move strategically. In this game on the bike, you can run into an encounter you didn't want because the model pops in at the last second. Pokemon that are supposed to be maybe 10-20 feet away from you in the game world will pop in and out as they move around. Trainers randomly appear and disappear in battle scenes.

I like the idea of overworld encounters but pokemon doesn't do anything with that for wilds, correct me if I'm wrong but from the tree house footage it doesn't seem like you can ambush an enemy or visa versa, meaning you don't get a turn advantage depending on who initiates battle. That's in nearly every game with over world encounters for the most part, from persona 5 to earthbound, without some sort of tension like that it just feels like avoidable random encounters.

 

[Floop]

we got it all wrong, it isn't kids or 90's kids NU pokemon is trying to apeal to, it's Coomers

I mean she does have big fucking tits though.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Love Rapidash.....but I don't like the legendary lol. Can't decide which version

 

[whatever I feel like]

How credible is the lack of attack animations complaint? People keep comparing S&H animations with those of Stadium and Gale of Darkness. While I remember these games having nice idle animations I distinctly remember pokemon only having 1 or 2 animations tops for every single move. Furthermore, they usually feature the worst of the worst animations when making these comparisons such as the hopping one.

I picked scorebunny and double kick is too useful to drop. It is embarrassing that one of the starters' main moves looks so awful.

 

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Same verse same as the first, if he does, then frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if people started leaving.

I mean, if you look on his channel, he did a Luigi's Mansion 3 video, and it didn't even come close to his PKM vids. The guy's a one trick pony, and he knows it. Frankly, I'll be glad when his channel crashes and burns.

How long until DK gets his own thread? It'd be hilarious if he finds it and his drones lose their shit about it.

 

[Namekian George Floyd]

Can somebody explain this IStandWithSerebii hashtag to me?
Everybody keeps saying that the dude who runs the website is being harrassed by taaaaaaxic fans just for reporting the news but when I did some minor digging, I couldn't find any harassment and the whole thing just smells like complete shit to me and I don't buy it.
If he's getting shit on by the pokemon fanbase and it's not because of woke shit then he must have actually said something fucking stupid because I don't think that many people are that dumb to attack a dude just for reporting the news and all of these apologists for the game's flaws will do anything just to make the other side look bad and I feel that's part of it. I'm playing the game and enjoying it but all of this corporate cocksucking is pissing me off.

 

[Perspicacity]

Can somebody explain this IStandWithSerebii hashtag to me?
Everybody keeps saying that the dude who runs the website is being harrassed by taaaaaaxic fans just for reporting the news but when I did some minor digging, I couldn't find any harassment and the whole thing just smells like complete shit to me and I don't buy it.
If he's getting shit on by the pokemon fanbase and it's not because of woke shit then he must have actually said something fucking stupid because I don't think that many people are that dumb to attack a dude just for reporting the news and all of these apologists for the game's flaws will do anything just to make the other side look bad and I feel that's part of it.

There is literally no evidence that Joe Merrick has been harassed at all. There are some tweets about him being a shill, which somehow translates to death threats in his tiny mind. Honestly the most extreme tweets I've been able to find are from that TheRealDio guy, there hasn't been many threats thrown around if any about Pokemon. Certainly some meltdowns but I've seen no calls for anything even close to violence. If there were any they get deleted so fast that it doesn't really matter to begin with. Joe needs to get a grip on reality, anyone who might have threatened him is a greater danger to themselves than anyone else. He likely saw a way to promote his website since Game Freak fucked him with literally zero PR for Sw/Sh to bring in traffic. He still insists on sucking corporate dick though.

 

[Namekian George Floyd]

There is literally no evidence that Joe Merrick has been harassed at all. There are some tweets about him being a shill, which somehow translates to death threats in his tiny mind. Honestly the most extreme tweets I've been able to find are from that TheRealDio1 guy, there hasn't been many threats thrown around if any. If there were any they get deleted so fast that it doesn't really matter to begin with. Joe needs to get a grip on reality, anyone who might have threatened him is a greater danger to themselves than anyone else.

I guessed as much but what even lead to this? Like how is it even a hashtag and what did he say to stir up to any kind of criticism that made him resort to playing victim? I've looked around to try and find out myself but twitter is a complete shitstorm and all of the articles written on it are complete one-sided bullshit. I just want the truth about this shit documented somewhere so legitimate criticism can't just be brushed off as some kind of hate campaign yet again.

 

[Perspicacity]

I guessed as much but what even lead to this? Like how is it even a hashtag and what did he say to stir up to any kind of criticism that made him resort to playing victim? I've looked around to try and find out myself but twitter is a complete shitstorm and all of the articles written on it are complete one-sided bullshit.

Well first you had a thing called "Dexit" or "BringBackNationalPokedex" when Game Freak announced at E3 that they would be permanently cutting the roster of Pokemon added to future games, including Sw/Sh. People went berserk, it became a huge hashtag thing on twitter. As we came closer and closer to release news literally trickled out, ending a 24 hour livestream of basically a gif with random Pokemon appearing for a second. At the end Galarian Ponyta was revealed. This turned things from bad to worse, people suspecting the game had cut a lot more than GF had revealed. This was the last bit of hype news for old Joe to get on his site besides SirFetched. Things exploded when someone started to leak out all the new Pokemon and finally the regional dex number of 400. There was an explosion of outrage especially in Japan as there was no formal announcements about the dex cuts over there. Joe whiteknighted hard for Game Freak and locked down his site from any potential "leaks". So he took a lot of ire for this stance, he initially said he hated that they cut Pokemon from Sword and Shield. Then the other side of Pokemon spectrum came out with ThankYouGameFreak which he was a major part of, the Pokemon (GameFreakLied/FuckYouGankefreak), autism war took off into the full trashfire it is now. Then Joe really pulled into his hugbox with other autists and somewhere in there IStandWithSerebi came into being. It's all been very entertaining to watch. Basically it's middle aged people and autists pulling their hair out over Pokemon and it's glorious.

 

[Kuchipatchi]

OK, my turn to grieve.

Ever since the announcement of the cut Dex, I remained optimistic because "Surely they'll patch them in once they're ready." It's Pokémon! They won't let a single Pokémon be absent cos that's ludicrous!
Then it was confirmed that no patches were gonna happen... I remained optimistic because they'll just have 500 or more Pokémon for the national Dex.
The Dex leaks happened days before release and I didn't look at them because I went with the spirit of Gamefreak surprising us as we played the game.

The game came out, got both games and played Sword first. Wow! This looks amazing! They're actually using proper English! Made feel at home!
Gameplay is alright, too many cutscenes and I didn't really care for them. I HATED S&M's beginning portions because of how long it takes to have more roaming space and how bad the first wild Pokémon are.

Then I found out that there's only 450 Pokémon in total...what? WTF?! Then I watched Poketip's video about hacking absent Pokémon and moves into the game and they work to some degree, just missing they're models and stats. You can even go to the move tutor and have a list of moves the Pokémon can learn! This makes me incredibly mad! I actually got a refund for Shield and said that Sword isn't good enough for both versions.

The fact Rotom is the Pokémon version of smartphones is very fitting because that thing has an app for MFing everything! I don't want to travel with a Rotom all the time! Fuck off! It was worse in USUM when it spoke to you ALL THE DAMN TIME but at least in that game you can lie in the arms of a Machamp, that's dope! Though I'd rather use my own Pokémon but OK.

It's hard to fight this sort of corporate behaviour when you have their sheep in the palm of their hands.

I would list some good things I like but I'm not a fluffer of corporate egos, that'll just encourage them more.

PS: Sorry for the essay, I've been thinking about this for a while now and the thoughts built up.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

-Game Freak can't human-

I will stand my ground that Silver is the best rival and best character in all of the games. He had legit progression in terms of how he changes from being a thieving bully kicking you around (because daddy issues, as it turns out--although we only learned this in Gen III) to self-reflecting on his decision as a trainer and how his grudge toward Team Rocket is keeping him from treating his Pokemon correctly. By the time you have rematches with him at Indigo League, he has a Crobat, and he comes to respect you as a trainer.

Although Wally becomes your true rival and escapes his cushioned life to become a trainer, they never tried to give him a character, which is why he's kind forgettable. Now R/S/E shows you that your neighbor is a sore loser who before the seventh gym gives up being a trainer to help their dad in the research field after spending most of the game showing off their "knowledge of Pokemon" under the guise of "being a tutor". It's a real dick move to not get to see the last evolution of their starter, but after pondering on it for over a decade, it's actually kind of unique for Pokemon. It's kind of a harsh reality that some people just can't cut it as a trainer, and although you crushed your neighbor's dreams (unintentionally), they at least have a back-up plan and still keep their team, and imply they might go back out on the road again (but they never do because it still smarts). They at least still stick to the script in the remake and fixed it by giving you a chance to see the final evolution, but they still showed up a few more times even though they were supposed to be stewing over it back in Littleroot. So either they get over it quickly in the remake, or they were just looking for an excuse to return to being their dad's assistant.

So I think the problem with Game Freak isn't that they're trying too hard to make human characters (N is fantastic, after all), I think they're missing the nuances of characters. Although they're now having cutscenes up the wazoo to show off that they "can do" 3D animation now, it's like what @rotollo said in that they can't seem to break the "tell, don't show" story-telling that was present in the original games. These new characters won't shut up, and they're not doing anything special or different outside of "LET'S BE FRIENDS, 'KAY???" and following you around everywhere you go. Even Let's Go Eevee/Pikachu made the rival docile, even though yes, Blue is in the game, but it doesn't mean you still couldn't have a jerkass rival whom you straighten out. (It's implied your rival in FRLG after losing his champion title goes off on his own to self-reflect, so he changes his attitude a bit post-game.)

Maybe we just need to bring back jerkass rivals, or turn your happy-go-lucky rival into your worst nightmare over time because they were always petty little shits who used to get their way.