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You are, I mean the DLC for both versions of the game and not both parts.
If it was both parts there'd be riots in the streets(also hard agree on the rest of the post)
Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States
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If it was both parts there'd be riots in the streets(also hard agree on the rest of the post)
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Is that so?
XY recently got a popularity boost when the hardcore nuzlocke thing came up in the end of 2021 and content creators discovered they can do a monotype challenge for every single type thanks to Kalos vast encounter table.
The prices for those games also went up from around 15 bucks to like 30 at the secondhand market.
still no good games but stellar in comparison to SwSh and BDSP.
okay.
You mean the GTS still isn't open? That it was just added to the game to be a dead end and then got screwed because
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Yeah- going off the nostalgia cycle, which is typically about a decade or so after release when all the kids who played it are grown up but still young enough to be consistently obnoxious- XY should've had a surge of appreciation for it right about now, like BW did a few years ago. Instead, the closest i've seen is some ORAS reminiscing, or maybe mild praise for a few of gen 6's side features like the PSS or super training. Almost nothing like the outpouring of love for gen 5.
Granted, that might be because it was a significantly less controversial generation, so its fans might just have less of a chip on their shoulders, but even now after most people agree that gen 5 was pretty good its fans are still pretty vocal so I doubt that. At least they're not screeching for unnecessary remakes like the gen 4 kids were. Literally the only good thing BDSP did was make sure that the people asking for more fucking remakes shut up for good.
Not really, no. They were kind of noticed in that """community""", but from what i've seen the general consensus is still that they were shit games and their defenders get weird looks. Personally I think they're shit games solely because they came out unfinished (another year or two in the oven would've done wonders, I think), and I think that's the most positive sentiment I've seen outside of astroturfing trolls on /vp/.
Gen 7 might get some nostalgia because people actually seem to like it apparently, but I bet that gen 8 will be as forgotten/spat on as gen 6 has been. Possibly gen 9 too depending on how the DLC turns out (and if by some miracle GF patches out any bugs, which they haven't done since release, so I HIGHLY doubt that will happen)
I think BDSP's GTS opened last year, in mid-March.
4 months after release.
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Is BDSP in a playable state by now? I keep spotting a lot of dirt cheap secondhand copies and have been thinking about snagging one up. But I'm not in the mood for shitloads of bugs and crashes after SV almost bricked my Switch with them.
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It was actually Logan Paul's fault for causing the obscene levels of scalping that happened back in 2020, his videos showing him buying hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of Base Set cards and his general lack of care in terms of researching certain products and cards caused the "investor-aligned" side of the game to balloon to such a point where TPCi (and if the rules and store "lotteries" going on in Japan are any indication, Creatures Inc.) can't print enough cards to meet the demand. There are also rumors of TCGPlayer, one of the bigger second-hand TCG retailers, gaming the system but that's mostly a he-said-she-said sort of thing.
Thankfully TPCi has actually fixed some issues since then but you do have some parts of of the world where it's still hard to find products.
It's playable but it's still mediocre as heck, I haven't played it since PLA dropped.
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Late but I really do think they’ve hit the bottom of the barrel at this point. These designs don’t look appealing on any level. I think I prefer when they would attempt to try and give an explanation on how each class has of Pokémon came to be the way they are due to the circumstances of the region they were evolved in. Someone many pages back said that in the Japanese Pokédex’s in some version of the earlier games actually explains how each pokemons properties and designs evolved from the different regions they come from. Does anyone have that particular post or knowledge by any chance?
Either way Happy Pokemon Day kiwis, just remember the good days of the first 4 or five generations and pray we eventually get that Pokémon Colosseum reboot or finally a worthwhile new release. Oh and of course fuck Game Freak and their whole crew.
Happy 27 years!!
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reminder, people thought this with Zygarde 100%
and with Bruxish
and with the Galarian starters
and with Calyrex
it can always get worse
cynicism aside, happy belated pokemon day
I love this world but I hate this franchise. Hopefully someday it actually improves and I can introduce my kids to it with a recent game that isn't total asscancer
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well yeah its just diamond and pearl with no platinum content, and somehow glitchy, i'm still they fucked up BDSP.
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Patches have pretty much fixed the game, but as Archeops said, it's really mediocre. The only thing I genuinely like about the remakes is not only does the E4 get stronger after you beat them the first time, you can make them even stronger a second time by catching Heatran. Max E4 ain't a joke if you aren't packing several level 100's or legendaries.
Gen 4 is where I really got into Pokemon (competitively speaking), but I definitely wasn't one of the nostalgia blind clamoring for a remake. I replayed an original Diamond during gen 7, and oh my fucking word was it painfully slow and boring (and people try to give USUM shit for the overload of cutscenes but never address this slog). I genuinely could not finish it that time around. BDSP are almost just beat for beat remakes of games that honestly weren't that fun outside of online play with some slight quality of life improvements. It's the definition of "unnecessary" and just served as an excuse to make sure every Pokemon up to Gen 4 was "on the Switch". If you genuinely enjoyed gen 4 it may be worth your time, but that's probably all you'll get out of it.
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was funnier when you could glitch to get shaymin and clone pokeyman. i even played the version with the unfinished trainer battle theme.
the fun in bdsp starts at the e4, them and the rematches against the gym leaders are a pretty nice gimmick, also the battle tower with the multi battles against multiple npcs. its a more fleshed out DP without the charm of the og DP and way easier but with a harder E4 challenge and slightly more postgame.
also you could use it to get the cyrus uniform in PLA, that was neat.
never worth 60 bucks tho, grab a ds with vanille dp instead.
the fun in bdsp starts at the e4, them and the rematches against the gym leaders are a pretty nice gimmick, also the battle tower with the multi battles against multiple npcs. its a more fleshed out DP without the charm of the og DP and way easier but with a harder E4 challenge and slightly more postgame.
also you could use it to get the cyrus uniform in PLA, that was neat.
never worth 60 bucks tho, grab a ds with vanille dp instead.
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I would say "or better yet, Platinum" but we all know what COVID did to the secondhand game market
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Yeah, I was already aware it's really mediocre since it's literally just an uglier, more boring DP but it's comforting to know it at least won't cause my console to self-destruct. I'm mostly just tempted by the cheap deals I see for it sometimes like the woman I am.
On the topic of remakes, I don't know what would be funnier to me: If they made the Gen 5 remake just as bad, or if they actually tried to make decent remakes again from now on and BDSP would remain as the odd one out.
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Like @Anonitolia said, people have been saying that about every pokemon design post gen 5 for the longest. Melodramactic talk and all.
While I understand where those feelings are coming from, at this point, I've come to realize that it's just code for "I don't like these Pokemon" with anything said beyond that just being some form of justification for these feelings. I'm not saying that the modern games are flawless or anything, but the Pokemon designs are far from being the root of the problem.
Everyone has their likes and dislikes, guys. What you find to be unappealing can be the peak of Pokemon design to someone else and vice versa. It's ok to admit that you just don't like the design.
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Sadly, until Game Freak releases a game that is Battlefield 2042 or Fallout 76 levels of broken, and doesn't fix the game, the series is yet to reach rock bottom. And even that may not be enough, as the games have taken a backseat to the rest of the merchandise that is pumped out.
I can even see GF making the Gen 5 remakes intentionally bad, just to try to get people to forget about the original Gen 5 games.
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I think the worst part about bad designs isn't their connection to the games, but the fact that you're going to be seeing them everywhere else in Pokémon-related media from then on. ESPECIALLY if they're important like a Legendary.
Some lucky mon like Bruxish or Vanilluxe land themselves in spots where they're essentially just route fodder for specific biomes or one-off concepts the team just wanted to do without filling any niche or evolving the line beyond its initial stage, and therefore just end up as cherry-picked examples as to why an entire generation has a bad design philosophy, but the vast majority of modern bad designs do not fall into this category.
Things like bad starters, bad legendaries, bad regionals- they're going to be promoted to hell and back, and there's nothing you can do about it save for watching a shitty design get shoved down your throat repeatedly by TPC itself if you want to see anything Pokémon from then on. Bad regionals are especially bad because regional designs often outclass their originals (either through evolution potential or sheer viability, both competitive and not), so it's very likely that the original design that you might've preferred will be forever overshadowed by the regional. See: every single gen 8 variant that got an evolution, Sirfetch'd especially.
Even fan material, some of the only Pokémon stuff I find myself genuinely enjoying nowadays, is tainted by this shit because sometimes these bad designs gain cancerous fanbases that become so obsessed with the designs that half of their characters following its reveal end up being of its species cough cough riolu cough cough cinderace, and those that aren't still have to adjust their canons to fit the new mon in. You can't just write a Legendary pantheon without accounting for things like Zygarde's 100% form or Solgaleo, for example- those two are very very important to the lore and ignoring them would make the story incongruent with the franchise's canon, so you'd either have to say that the story was written before they existed or bullshit your way into excluding "The Beast that Devours the Sun" from a pantheon of (what most of the fandom interprets as) literal gods as monsters.
Bad designs don't just drag down the rest of their generation or their games, they drag down the entire franchise. The more generally-bad designs you make, the worse the entire franchise's designs will seem, and the more you'll have to look at ugly-looking monsters in a series literally predicated around dogfighting with monsters meant to look visually appealing, and like "something you could befriend" (second bit was quoted from a dev interview, can't remember from where. I think it might've involved Ohmori?).
tl;dr: the Pokémon designs are a large contributor to Pokémon's problems, just not the Pokémon games' problems. They hurt the brand and its reputation the more they proliferate, and even make fan work tough to enjoy if they have popular-enough fanbases (almost always furries latching onto them).
People have been saying this since gen 5 because that's when the kids who'd grown up on RBY reached the nostalgia peak and started throwing shitfits that they couldn't easily catch a Rattata in Unova. There was also a noticeable shift in art style arguably beginning in gen 3 that was brought to the forefront in 5 because these same young adults were angry about having to use new designs that weren't as familiar to them as gen 1's, which made all their flaws stick out far more than any other generation's. And those flaws combined with the blind outrage led to people denouncing gen 5's dex as total shit due to this new design.
Since then the art style shift has only gotten more and more extreme, to the point where you now have multiple Pokémon in one generation that are near-unanimously agreed to look like they're from a different game (Charcadet line from Mega Man, Nacli line from Minecraft, I'm seeing a LOT of mention of the new trio looking like Yo-Kai Watch even though that's an insult to Yo-Kai Watch), and the differences were only made worse as Sugimiori stopped making official art (post-USUM I don't think he's done anything besides a few human characters? Correct me if I'm wrong) and was replaced mostly by imitators (killing off yet another extremely consistent and recognizable aspect of the franchise).
Long rambling autistic rant aside, i'll just wrap this up quicklyagain.
Bad designs matter, just less to the games than to everything else. Pokémon will never escape the moniker of having "bad designs" with each subsequent generation, because of how incredibly the style of the designs has shifted.
When people think Pokémon, they think Kanto. Which means when people think Pokémon, they mostly think of animals with angry faces and elemental powers or oddball creatures that levitate with magnets (how the fuck does that work?) and hiveminds of egg-seeds, in a watercolor style known for its sharp edges and pure-white lighting.
They think of a semi-grounded setting with cassette-futurist aesthetics at best, and a hard focus on you fighting a jerk-ass rival to fill up an encyclopedia and win what amounts to a regional marathon. They think of a party of monsters with two evolutions and then that's it, with no extra battle gimmicks or alternate forms, no special classifications, mostly-subdued colors and a minimal amount of pop-culture references (ESPECIALLY in regards to the west).
Pokémon isn't that anymore, and since most people can't articulate as to why they default to saying designs are bad. Because Pokémon is now about a futuristic utopia with robots in your phone and specialized gear for travelling through wormholes to alternate dimensions, because Pokémon is now about much more artificial creatures with a lot more complexity to them in terms of both design and classification, because Pokémon has all of these super forms and a heavier emphasis on story and totally different artists designing these things- all of it is so far removed from the first generation by this point (and only getting further removed) that many older fans and people in general don't associate it with the older Pokémon, which they liked.
So they call it bad.
You may now toss puzzle pieces in my eyes.
Some lucky mon like Bruxish or Vanilluxe land themselves in spots where they're essentially just route fodder for specific biomes or one-off concepts the team just wanted to do without filling any niche or evolving the line beyond its initial stage, and therefore just end up as cherry-picked examples as to why an entire generation has a bad design philosophy, but the vast majority of modern bad designs do not fall into this category.
Things like bad starters, bad legendaries, bad regionals- they're going to be promoted to hell and back, and there's nothing you can do about it save for watching a shitty design get shoved down your throat repeatedly by TPC itself if you want to see anything Pokémon from then on. Bad regionals are especially bad because regional designs often outclass their originals (either through evolution potential or sheer viability, both competitive and not), so it's very likely that the original design that you might've preferred will be forever overshadowed by the regional. See: every single gen 8 variant that got an evolution, Sirfetch'd especially.
Even fan material, some of the only Pokémon stuff I find myself genuinely enjoying nowadays, is tainted by this shit because sometimes these bad designs gain cancerous fanbases that become so obsessed with the designs that half of their characters following its reveal end up being of its species cough cough riolu cough cough cinderace, and those that aren't still have to adjust their canons to fit the new mon in. You can't just write a Legendary pantheon without accounting for things like Zygarde's 100% form or Solgaleo, for example- those two are very very important to the lore and ignoring them would make the story incongruent with the franchise's canon, so you'd either have to say that the story was written before they existed or bullshit your way into excluding "The Beast that Devours the Sun" from a pantheon of (what most of the fandom interprets as) literal gods as monsters.
Bad designs don't just drag down the rest of their generation or their games, they drag down the entire franchise. The more generally-bad designs you make, the worse the entire franchise's designs will seem, and the more you'll have to look at ugly-looking monsters in a series literally predicated around dogfighting with monsters meant to look visually appealing, and like "something you could befriend" (second bit was quoted from a dev interview, can't remember from where. I think it might've involved Ohmori?).
tl;dr: the Pokémon designs are a large contributor to Pokémon's problems, just not the Pokémon games' problems. They hurt the brand and its reputation the more they proliferate, and even make fan work tough to enjoy if they have popular-enough fanbases (almost always furries latching onto them).
People have been saying this since gen 5 because that's when the kids who'd grown up on RBY reached the nostalgia peak and started throwing shitfits that they couldn't easily catch a Rattata in Unova. There was also a noticeable shift in art style arguably beginning in gen 3 that was brought to the forefront in 5 because these same young adults were angry about having to use new designs that weren't as familiar to them as gen 1's, which made all their flaws stick out far more than any other generation's. And those flaws combined with the blind outrage led to people denouncing gen 5's dex as total shit due to this new design.
Since then the art style shift has only gotten more and more extreme, to the point where you now have multiple Pokémon in one generation that are near-unanimously agreed to look like they're from a different game (Charcadet line from Mega Man, Nacli line from Minecraft, I'm seeing a LOT of mention of the new trio looking like Yo-Kai Watch even though that's an insult to Yo-Kai Watch), and the differences were only made worse as Sugimiori stopped making official art (post-USUM I don't think he's done anything besides a few human characters? Correct me if I'm wrong) and was replaced mostly by imitators (killing off yet another extremely consistent and recognizable aspect of the franchise).
Long rambling autistic rant aside, i'll just wrap this up quickly
Bad designs matter, just less to the games than to everything else. Pokémon will never escape the moniker of having "bad designs" with each subsequent generation, because of how incredibly the style of the designs has shifted.
When people think Pokémon, they think Kanto. Which means when people think Pokémon, they mostly think of animals with angry faces and elemental powers or oddball creatures that levitate with magnets (how the fuck does that work?) and hiveminds of egg-seeds, in a watercolor style known for its sharp edges and pure-white lighting.
They think of a semi-grounded setting with cassette-futurist aesthetics at best, and a hard focus on you fighting a jerk-ass rival to fill up an encyclopedia and win what amounts to a regional marathon. They think of a party of monsters with two evolutions and then that's it, with no extra battle gimmicks or alternate forms, no special classifications, mostly-subdued colors and a minimal amount of pop-culture references (ESPECIALLY in regards to the west).
Pokémon isn't that anymore, and since most people can't articulate as to why they default to saying designs are bad. Because Pokémon is now about a futuristic utopia with robots in your phone and specialized gear for travelling through wormholes to alternate dimensions, because Pokémon is now about much more artificial creatures with a lot more complexity to them in terms of both design and classification, because Pokémon has all of these super forms and a heavier emphasis on story and totally different artists designing these things- all of it is so far removed from the first generation by this point (and only getting further removed) that many older fans and people in general don't associate it with the older Pokémon, which they liked.
So they call it bad.
You may now toss puzzle pieces in my eyes.
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Holy shit what was that internet
Please never post something that long thrice ever again thanks
Please never post something that long thrice ever again thanks
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Late response, but I'm a bit iffy on that video given that the comments say that some of the links in the description are wrong and that some people are still having issues.
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Gamefreak backpedaled hard after gen 5 when it was the closest that series came to a good story.
It's not that hard. I'm not the most tech literate and even I manged to jailbreak the 3DS with no issues.
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Lol, what are those Yokai Watch monsters doing in a pokemon thread?
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Speaking of modding 3DSs, I should really do that for my Yveltal Red 3DS XL ASAP and pick up a New 3DS XL before the month is out. I did manage to pull an Alt Art Lugia V from a Silver Tempest 3-pack blister so selling that would take a big chunk of the cost of one if not pay for it outright.