Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Executive Petrel]

Legends Arceus is decent and has some difficulty. Pretty empty for such a big region but felt like a new experience and the interaction with the wild pokemon is very intuitive, the stealth mechanics are alot of fun and the battle system is a little different, that makes it more dynamic.
Also the announced Stadium 2 VC Version.

 

[Kier Starmer]

@Archeops Brilliant recap man much appreciated since now I don't need to read pokebeach. As for Obsidian Flames, it's such a non-set. There is nothing really even good in it, even Tera Zard is iffy because of his typing and it not fitting in a fire deck properly.

At this point, with the TCG it is nothing but continual nostalgia baiting to keep older people playing with member berries. Honestly, Lugia Vstar broke me, I have a few regional tops during different years. Lugia VS is a card so broken and warping of the game, locals basically became either playing Lugia or Pikachu Flying before rotation then Lightning booster.deck.

Gardevoir Ex is just shitty Gardevoir EX of the past but with worse items. I was one of the first few who noticed the power of that deck as our locals were dominated by Rayquaza so I brewed and then talked to a few others and here we are. It was insanely consistent, well-prepared, and hit very hard and it required insight into the next few turns. I hate the new one because it feels like a shitty version trying to emulate it, a perversion of a really fun deck

I think you said it actually but energy acceleration killed the game similar to MTG because it changes fundamentals but also deck design. It also fucks over future set design because you have to out creep power creep. When Yu gi oh is better in that regard, you know you are in trouble.

Pokemon Company knows the older players are the whales and not the children, so will do anything to keep them. Nostalgia always works because unfortunately, the masses don't realize it is used to cover up a drain in creativity.

@Scream Aim Fire Honestly just Arceus or Unite, Unite is LOL light and chill but Arceus is actually experimental and whilst needing more work is still the best Pokemon game in years.

 

[Anonitolia]

Are there any Pokémon games for the Switch worth picking up? I've got Pokken Tournament; I find it to be fun, personally. Are there any others that you guys might suggest?

Honestly? No. Nothing mainline, and barely anything spin-off.
The closest I can get to recommending a Switch Pokemon game is saying that Legends Arceus does something different that you may or may not like, and I still really wouldn't recommend paying full price for it. PMD DX is only debatably better than its 20-year-old progenitors, every single mobile game has been ported very poorly (UNITE especially) since they want to make their real audience (mobile gamers) very clear to the Switch so that they change over, and games like New Snap or Pikachu Returns either aren't out yet or have issues with filler clogging up gameplay.

Seriously though, either Legends Arceus or New Snap or nothing at all. Neither are worth 60 bucks, but they make for a few good hours of fun.

re: vidya news

I'm not surprised that they're locking starters and all this OP shit behind DLC ("lmao what if we made a priority move that out-priorities the priority moves and also 100% flinches"- thank god this fails against normal moves) but honestly I'm glad to see everything else. More hard-to-get Pokemon being available more frequently is (almost) always a good thing (the only example I can think of where this is a bad idea is with shiny pokemon for very obvious reasons). I still don't know why TPC is so insistent on calling Starters "first partners", it's very awkward, but I guess it's a marketing thing...

The typings for both Paradoxes was... somewhat expected? Electric/Dragon was a shoe-in (even though idk why they're adding so many this gen), Steel/Psychic slightly less-so. That design seemed more pure-Steel or Steel/Water to me, but I guess I should've known better since every other Paradox has 2 typings.

"Legends Plate" Tera typing is cheap and dumb but once again expected as a marketing stunt and a natural progression of the power creep. Interestingly enough, I might actually be off-base calling it that? In this screenshot you can see that when Tera'd it doesn't change Tera Blast to be Super Effective, so maybe it's something else...?

Whatever it is, I think it's more than blatantly obvious that it has to do with Terapagos, so I doubt it'll be much of a thing in Teal Mask. I'm curious but unenthused. Hard not to be when I can't bring myself to care about much beyond true excellence or grave disappointments regarding this franchise by now but oh well lol.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Are there any Pokémon games for the Switch worth picking up? I've got Pokken Tournament; I find it to be fun, personally. Are there any others that you guys might suggest?

If counting NSO, Pokemon Stadium 1 & 2 and Snap are awesome.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Expectation vs. Reality

 

[Sundae]

Anybody want to start taking bets on how they screw up a potential Paradox Entei? Or do you think it might buck the trend and be genuinely great?

Also on the subject of Paradoxes, what 'mons would you guys like to see get Paradox forms? I'd like to see:

Past Paradox

• Victreebel
• Dusclops
• Vigiroth
• Walrein
• Dragapult
• Heracross
• Chandelure

Future Paradox

• Yanmega
• Dragalge
• Snorlax
• Cofagrigus
• Houndoom
• Aerodactyl
• Trevenant

 

[Anonitolia]

Anybody want to start taking bets on how they screw up a potential Paradox Entei? Or do you think it might buck the trend and be genuinely great?

please no, it's one of the only legendaries I really really like
then again, considering Walking Wake isn't a total travesty, it might be alright...?

 

[Sundae]

The making of Paradox Raikou, lore-wise

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please no, it's one of the only legendaries I really really like
then again, considering Walking Wake isn't a total travesty, it might be alright...?

Someone earlier in the thread suggested a potential Paradox Entei could be based on a triceratops. That design could work for him if pulled off right.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

Also on the subject of Paradoxes, what 'mons would you guys like to see get Paradox forms? I'd like to see:

Past Paradox

• Victreebel
• Dusclops
• Vigiroth
• Walrein
• Dragapult
• Heracross
• Chandelure

Future Paradox

• Yanmega
• Dragalge
• Snorlax
• Cofagrigus
• Houndoom
• Aerodactyl
• Trevenant

I actually ran a survey on which Paradox Formes others would like, since I plan on putting some in my hack. https://kiwifarms.pl/threads/pokemon-not-so-griefing-thread.72/page-745#post-13748073
My wishes are a Past Gengar, Alakazam (because of the Ancient Mystery of Pokeopolis, since Jigglypuff already has a Past Paradox Forme), and Unsparce (since Dunsparce have a Pokédex entry about how they were able to fly in the past).
By coincidence, I already was going to put a past Dragapult and a future Yanmega in my hack because of the survey. I was also going to put a past Victreebell because of your esponse in the survey, bu the new reveals and my wish of a past Dunsparce mean that I ended up cutting the Victreebell ine.
(I kinda wan to pu the line back, especially since I want another Poison Stone user, though...)

Someone earlier in the thread suggested a potential Paradox Entei could be based on a triceratops. That design could work for him if pulled off right.

That was @Bunny Tracks' worry.

Edit: Calling it now. Entei's form is going to be some sort of horrifying triceratops, pterodactyl, or hadrosaurid (duck-billed) abomination.

 

[Sundae]

Thinking about it, since Croconaw has a sort of "cavveman tunic" design on it's torso, a past Paradox Feraligatr could be a great design. Also Feraligatr is one of my favorite starter lines and I'd like to see it get some more recognition.

 

[Executive Petrel]

Expectation vs. Reality
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Serpopard vs Serpotard

 

[Anonitolia]

I have Lost my Fucking Mind

never again will I try to quantify how much I like one generation compared to another via this type of autism

 

[Squawking Macaw]

I saw people unironically say long Raikou was stolen off fan design, and this is why a lot of popular ideas can not become canon: GF will get into trouble for design theft.
The more fangames with Coolass Mcdragon, the less of those could become canon.

This is why I dread coming across good-looking original Kyurems, I'm already mentally preparing for the fact that the official original dragon is going to suck ass like Origin Palkia and Dialga.

I have Lost my Fucking Mind

never again will I try to quantify how much I like one generation compared to another via this type of autism

Putting Serperior and Ho-Oh that low should be a crime, but I'm glad someone hates Baxcalibur the Spore creature as much as I do.

 

[Anonitolia]

Putting Serperior and Ho-Oh that low should be a crime

yeah probably lol
I used to like them both more when I was a kid but Serperior's become super meh to me over time probably because it's Meganium-tier bad in battle and Ho-Oh was always outshone by its own shiny form

but don't you dare call Baxcalibur a Spore creature
every single Spore creature I've made looks better than that unfinished pile of shit

 

[Coelacanth]

@Anonitolia I'm not quite as autistic as you but I had a go myself. Also you are based for raking Porygon2 so high.

Didn't include Gen 6 onward because there are only one or two designs from them that I like.

 

[Archeops]

There was a group interview at Worlds involving Takato Utsunomiya, The Pokémon Company's COO, and the eventual question regarding the quality of current releases came up. This is what he had to say about that...

I think in general, if you look at the past, the path we've taken up until now has been this constant release, always regularly releasing products on a fairly fixed kind of a cadence, you might say. Always having these products able to be introduced and new experiences for our customers, and that's how we've operated up until now. I think we're still operating in that way, but there's more and more conversations, as the development environments change, about how we can continue to do this, while making sure that we're ensuring really quality products are also being introduced.

It basically sounds like they're gonna continue with the current release structure but they do want to address the major problems SV had in future titles (but unfortunately leaving SV as is for some ungodly reason, possibly due to janky code).

If counting NSO, Pokemon Stadium 1 & 2 and Snap are awesome.

The Pokémon Trading Card Game is also pretty damn good despite being the TCG equivalent of Methuselah. You'll jut have to remember that your collection will always be missing two cards due to Card Pop being disabled.

 

[Squawking Macaw]

yeah probably lol
I used to like them both more when I was a kid but Serperior's become super meh to me over time probably because it's Meganium-tier bad in battle and Ho-Oh was always outshone by its own shiny form

but don't you dare call Baxcalibur a Spore creature
every single Spore creature I've made looks better than that unfinished pile of shit

Pure grass types have that problem where they mostly only learn grass and normal moves. at least Serpy has that Leaf Storm + Contrary combo and a nice design, I don't like Meganium's bland design, Bayleef looks better. And Ho-Oh's shiny is one of the best in the franchise, it's hard to compete with that.

About Baxcalibur, let's try... bootleg Godzilla, bath toy dinosaur, naked Aggron. I could mock this thing all day.

 

[Executive Petrel]

This is why I dread coming across good-looking original Kyurems, I'm already mentally preparing for the fact that the official original dragon is going to suck ass like Origin Palkia and Dialga.


Putting Serperior and Ho-Oh that low should be a crime, but I'm glad someone hates Baxcalibur the Spore creature as much as I do.

bro at this point you could just cut the Reshiram and Zekrom model in half, put em together and add kyurems color scheme, the result is still going to be better than what to come.

yeah probably lol
I used to like them both more when I was a kid but Serperior's become super meh to me over time probably because it's Meganium-tier bad in battle

Should be Grass/Dragon Type like in Blaze Black/Volt white.
Gen 5 Starters have great design but are underrated thanks to the boring typing (emboar should be Fire/Ground or Fire/Dark and
Samurott Water/Fighting)

Putting Serperior and Ho-Oh that low should be a crime, but I'm glad someone hates Baxcalibur the Spore creature as much as I do.

Pseudo Legendarys used to be a highlight of every generation and dont have to be intimidating. Even Goodra, both forms, have their appeal (not that kind of appeal they have for a certain tumblr lolcow) and fits into the Kalos' theme like Garchomp fits the cave region that is Sinnoh. Dragapult was a huge disappointment and this ugly ass shaved Duraludon is no better.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

The Pokémon Trading Card Game is also pretty damn good despite being the TCG equivalent of Methuselah. You'll jut have to remember that your collection will always be missing two cards due to Card Pop being disabled.

It's pretty great, I can't believe I forgot about it. It'd be nice to finally get the sequel officially translated too, but that will probably never happen. I wish they would just edit those cards into your save file, I know they've made special save files for other NSO games before.

 

[Anonitolia]

@Anonitolia I'm not quite as autistic as you but I had a go myself. Also you are based for raking Porygon2 so high.

Lmao, thanks. It doesn't get nearly enough love. Porygon-Z is great but kinda makes me sad if I think about it too hard I say as I put the entire Deino family in my top 10 whereas Porygon1 is just not as appealing for some reason so 2 has won out as my favorite. That entire line is awesome though. I wish they expanded the "digital/synthetic Pokemon" idea waaay more come gen 2+ instead of leaving it almost exclusively in the hands of Porygon and Genesect...

Didn't include Gen 6 onward because there are only one or two designs from them that I like.

Haha, that's funny. Gen 7 onward is where I started really diverging from the design philosophy (it's still a pretty damn good generation, it just gave me way more mons that I dislike than most- the difference between it and what came after is that it still had enough good designs for me to be more than happy with the franchise as a whole) whereas 6 is the last generation I really really loved. So much so that I made another list solely with designs from 1-6 (and their alternate forms that came later).

Notice the distinct lack of mon in the "absolute least favorites" category... I seriously don't start outright hating many designs until gen 7+, and even the ones I dislike before then I only dislike enough to grumble about (instead of write entire essays on like I did with Incineroar and would be more than willing to do with its ilk). It's such a sharp cutoff that I have to wonder what the fuck happened to the design team. Gen 2 -> 3 wasn't nearly as drastic a difference, so it can't be the overall game direction being different... what gives??

It basically sounds like they're gonna continue with the current release structure but they do want to address the major problems SV had in future titles (but unfortunately leaving SV as is for some ungodly reason, possibly due to janky code).

I don't think they really have a choice with SV. The way the Pokemon machine is structured gives them no time to go back and fix shit outside of things like releasing DLC or hasty patches during the generation's life cycle. If they really are going to start slowing things down (which I doubt, but hope for) then they'd definitely have to start doing it with generation 10 instead of attempting to start now.

at least Serpy has that Leaf Storm + Contrary combo and a nice design

Except that in BW + BW2, Contrary isn't accessible whatsoever both due to Snivy being a starter and the fact that Hidden Abilities were locked to Hidden Grottos and the now-defunct Dream World until gen 6+, so you can't even have fun with that combo outside of one single event that I downloaded in gen 6 that might've allowed you to make Serperior usable.

Or, you know, hacking.