Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Freelance Police]

I don't understand where people draw their optimism from for Legends ZA, the games coming out next year and the only thing they were confident enough to show was a title card. Is it cope?

 

[AnotherPleb]

I don't understand where people draw their optimism from for Legends ZA, the games coming out next year and the only thing they were confident enough to show was a title card. Is it cope?

Nintendo didn't want shit leaking about the Switch 2.

 

[zyclonPD]

I'm going to have a big screaming-with-laughter-to-tears should it turn out Zygarde gets upstaged in its own fucking game and no new revelations about it are given. No respect for green snek.

Its already upstaged by Garchomp by doing Dragon/Earth better with a good speed tier.

I don't understand where people draw their optimism from for Legends ZA, the games coming out next year and the only thing they were confident enough to show was a title card. Is it cope?

I'm assuming strictly from Legends Arceus being a somewhat decent game. Adding Legends to it tricks the normie into thinking quality will be there because tag they recognize.

 

[I'm Really Feeling It]

Bottom line is, there's too much room for error to end with either a bad looking Mega or a useless one.

Great points, just want to add in to yours that Mega Stones take away the item slot, which gives all the more reason to make the Mega form either "mandatory" or so useless it's never factored.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Great points, just want to add in to yours that Mega Stones take away the item slot, which gives all the more reason to make the Mega form either "mandatory" or so useless it's never factored.

I'd honestly say Venusaur was the closest to making it balanced by having both forms have their use. The mega's much more of a bulky tank where the base form is a Chlorophyll sweeper.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Megas made many previously unusable pokemon good again

Okay, but there's other ways to do that. Gliscor just got Toxic Spikes and it was banned, again. Megas don't make bad Pokemon good. They just essentially give them better stats or a more usable type or ability along with a fresh coat of paint. Regional variants do the same job. Buffing old Pokemon with new moves and expanding move pools also do the same job.

If you're going to give it a Mega, why not just give it a new evolution? Why isn't Mega Pinsir just an evolution of Pinsir? There's nothing stopping it from being so.

Are people really buying merch based off later gen games? I don't think anyone really cares about any Pokemon past gen 3 or 4 because I see more Pikachu and Gen 1 merch than anything else (I did see an overpriced Teddiursa pillow at a con).

Yes. They are. The thing about kids nowadays is that they don't play with toys or merch like they used to. They're more into games and screens and consume media at a mile per second. So yes, majority of kids played through Scarlet and Violet and gave it 0 thought ever again until the DLC came out. But yes, Pokemon is one of the few things kids will still buy.

Pokemon is also one of the few franchises in the world for children that's for the most part, completely untouched by the Woke Mind Virus. So for the parents that do have kids, it's a "safe brand" for now. If Japan ever lets ESG into it's media and it creeps into GF, I promise you Pokemon would virtually die overnight.

That being said, GF's problems are pretty much solely rooted in management. The company's structure is too disjointed and that's why they can't get anything done right. They're essentially 3 companies contracting out work to 6 or 7 companies. It's been that way since Black and White 2. That's why everything they touch nowadays is so disjointed. You have some sects of TPC completely at odds with the other and their Chief Tard Wrangler can't effectively reign them in. That's why S&V is so rushed. The merch dept. wants toys on the shelves and they make the most money. They also don't give a rats anus if the game functions or not, they know you're all stupid enough to buy it anyway. Just stfu and buy your weird Meowscarda body pillows. The Executive Board knows they're essentially shooting themselves in the foot but can't argue with their numbers. So resources and time allocation have to be stretched thin. That being said, there's a reason Pokemon hasn't been replaced.

Pokemon already is the biggest IP on the planet and sure it rode those highs forever ago, but that's why it still exists today. Palworld cannot dethrone Pokemon. It never could. Digimon at the time was a better IP on virtually every way, shape, and form, and it couldn't do it. TemTem tried and failed. Every attempt to dethrone Pokemon has failed and will keep failing because the only ones who can dethrone Pokemon are GF themselves.

 

[AnotherPleb]

If you're going to give it a Mega, why not just give it a new evolution? Why isn't Mega Pinsir just an evolution of Pinsir? There's nothing stopping it from being so.

They're autistically fixated on not allowing any pokemon have more than three stages in their evolution even when some are super mediocre. Sorry Pidgeot, you're doomed to be permanently outclassed by Fearow because you're already on your last stage.

 

[zyclonPD]

They're autistically fixated on not allowing any pokemon have more than three stages in their evolution even when some are super mediocre. Sorry Pidgeot, you're doomed to be permanently outclassed by Fearow because you're already on your last stage.

They went wild with Applin. They might be breaking that trend.

 

[Kurohige]

They're autistically fixated on not allowing any pokemon have more than three stages in their evolution even when some are super mediocre. Sorry Pidgeot, you're doomed to be permanently outclassed by Fearow because you're already on your last stage.

Reminder that they gave Beedrill a Mega evo and Butterfree a Gigantomax form just to totally clip both their wings in Gen 9.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Its hilarious to me they skipped an entire gen. Seems they wanna forget about it. Or be stupid and claim its so theirs no controversy cuz black and white people

 

[AnotherPleb]

They went wild with Applin. They might be breaking that trend.
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Even then they never went past a third stage.

Its hilarious to me they skipped an entire gen. Seems they wanna forget about it. Or be stupid and claim its so theirs no controversy cuz black and white people

They still don't want to go back to Unova because the Unova Dex in gen 5 was not taken well when it happened. Never mind that the dex was far better in B2W2, that first impression (and the honestly shit tier starters) lingered for a long time.

 

[Kurohige]

They still don't want to go back to Unova because the Unova Dex in gen 5 was not taken well when it happened. Never mind that the dex was far better in B2W2, that first impression (and the honestly shit tier starters) lingered for a long time.

Funny, in hindsight, how likely it is that the same cats who eat up the modern Pokéslop dished out by Game Freak had the most to say about Gen 5.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

. Good game.

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2024/02/pokemon-legends-z-a-is-set-entirely-within-lumiose-city

thoughts on Lumiose being one giant map for legends a la yakuza/like a dragon

I mean, if there was any gen to pull it in in was Kalos. Switch now has the space and scope to be as massive as the games were suggesting it was.

@Level99Manchild

Are people really buying merch based off later gen games?

In Japan they are.

In the West if you walk into a game store or a big enough place that sells toys Pokemon stuff usually takes up a shelf or two.

And then there is still the anime marketing all the cute stuff.

It also helps that the things people care about are the mons. No one actually cares about the games. Do the mons look like something I want a plush of? Yes. Good game.

I don't understand where people draw their optimism from for Legends ZA, the games coming out next year and the only thing they were confident enough to show was a title card. Is it cope?

i just like the scope that the Legends idea provides in a way the standard games do not.

Honestly I’d much rather they switch completely to that style instead of it being spin off.

Funny, in hindsight, how likely it is that the same cats who eat up the modern Pokéslop dished out by Game Freak had the most to say about Gen 5.

With YT likely.

Pokemon goes through a trend. Old fans bitch about new game. New fans like new game until they become old and remember the games they liked fondly while bitching about the new ones.

It’s why everyone complaining now seems to put Gen 4 or Gen 5 on a pedestal. Because that’s what they played when young.

All the people complaining about the games now are YTubers that hype up shit to no end, buy all the games amd as Palworld showed us, actually have wanted to complain about Pokemon for the longest time. Because the cycle is the cycle and they became old.

 

[Anti Snigger]

Unovaborts beyond felted. I like Generation 5 well enough, but I've consistently thought it to be overrated even upon release, and gen 5 fans are very fucking obnoxious on any Pokemon site

 

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

If you're going to give it a Mega, why not just give it a new evolution? Why isn't Mega Pinsir just an evolution of Pinsir? There's nothing stopping it from being so.

I blame whoever decided Eviolite was a good item to add to the series.

Yes, they can easily just not add it to a game, but that single item is, imo, likely the reason why they slowed down on giving older Pokémon new evolutions and pivoted to Regional Forms whenever they want to give a Pokemon a new evolution.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Unovaborts beyond felted. I like Generation 5 well enough, but I've consistently thought it to be overrated even upon release, and gen 5 fans are very fucking obnoxious on any Pokemon site

With the state of the franchise today, I hardly think not having their favorite region completely raped beyond recognition can be considered a "felting". Don't worry, the next remaking is coming for Unova so it's only a matter of time

I blame whoever decided Eviolite was a good item to add to the series.

Yes, they can easily just not add it to a game, but that single item is, imo, likely the reason why they slowed down on giving older Pokémon new evolutions and pivoted to Regional Forms whenever they want to give a Pokemon a new evolution.

Eviolite is one of the better decisions Gamefreak made in my opinion. You have no idea how many previously useless pokemon this breathed new life into, I hated how some pokemon were rarely ever seen because they were only a temporary form before their final evolution, might as well be a glorified metapod. With eviolite, at least some of these pokemon have a purpose again, while some(like Chansey or Dusclops) are even better than their final forms in some situations

 

[Anti Snigger]

Eviolite is one of the better decisions Gamefreak made in my opinion

I mean, it causes some fully evolved pokemon to be entirely outclassed. Plus, a lot of mons that got cross gen evos are borderline unbalanced with it. I do like it overall but I think it has some issues

 

[30+GameOvers]

I mean, it causes some fully evolved pokemon to be entirely outclassed. Plus, a lot of mons that got cross gen evos are borderline unbalanced with it. I do like it overall but I think it has some issues

Most final evolutions are still superior, but it does help some edge cases. In many of them, you have to be a hardcore competitive player to even be able to tell if there is a reason to use the pokemon vs just evolving it, and even then it offers probably a slight buff in defenses or speed at the cost of power. Remember, these pokemon are entirely dependent on Eviolite as well so Pokemon with knock off are hard counters to every single one(or ones with thief/trick)
It is very balanced, at least by Pokemon standards. It's not a mindless plug-n-play like Lefotvers, Z-Crystals/Gems or Mega Stones, some planning is required for most Pokemon

 

[Anti Snigger]

Most final evolutions are still superior, but it does help some edge cases. In many of them, you have to be a hardcore competitive player to even be able to tell if there is a reason to use the pokemon vs just evolving it, and even then it offers probably a slight buff in defenses or speed at the cost of power. Remember, these pokemon are entirely dependent on Eviolite as well so Pokemon with knock off are hard counters to every single one(or ones with thief/trick)
It is very balanced, at least by Pokemon standards. It's not a mindless plug-n-play like Lefotvers, Z-Crystals/Gems or Mega Stones, some planning is required for most Pokemon

I'm talking mostly about Scyther if I'm being honest, and I don't think you'd argue with me that it with eviolite is a bit cracked

 

[30+GameOvers]

I'm talking mostly about Scyther if I'm being honest, and I don't think you'd argue with me that it with eviolite is a bit cracked

I never tried it with Eviolite as it has many other options available, but there is indeed some pokemon that are broken with Eviolite. Like I said, they are easily countered so they are definitely not overpowered. Eviolite Chansey or Dusclops will ruin your day if you aren't prepared, however.