Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Anti Snigger]

I never tried it with Eviolite as it has many other options available, but there is indeed some pokemon that are broken with Eviolite. Like I said, they are easily countered so they are definitely not overpowered. Eviolite Chansey or Dusclops will ruin your day if you aren't prepared, however.

Left is Scyther, right Scizor. Do you see why 1.5x defenses on Scyther is a bit broken?

 

[30+GameOvers]

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Left is Scyther, right Scizor. Do you see why 1.5x defenses on Scyther is a bit broken?

Scyther is weak to fire and 4x weak to rock. Knock off cuts those defenses back to 80 and now it has no items. Just like any Pokemon, it can take you by surprise and sweep your team or it can quickly turn into a 5v6 game within a turn. It's all about how good a player is and how prepared your opponent is to counter you.
Scizor is still better in most situations, as it can equip a variety of items(like Leftovers, Shell Bell, Life Orb, Z-Crystals, even a Mega Stone) and only has one major weakness, Fire, which is not the most common type for many teams unless someone specifically wants to counter your Scizor. Scizor can further equip a fire weakening berry to potentially survive a surprise fireball or a Focus Sash to guarantee it survives with one HP if it is at full health. Scyther cannot do that with rock types, it can only hope it can survive one or two of them and that it won't get Eviolite knocked off.

This is just one case of how much Eviolite can completely change your gameplan. This is why I am an advocate of full dex vs dexit, just think how many more options we would have if we had access to every single pokemon instead of select few Gamefreak allows now.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

Even then they never went past a third stage.

They still don't want to go back to Unova because the Unova Dex in gen 5 was not taken well when it happened. Never mind that the dex was far better in B2W2, that first impression (and the honestly shit tier starters) lingered for a long time.

It was also a major low point for sales in the series, being the worst selling major generation.




Black and White’s deserved poor reception and commercial underperformance is the problem.

BW2/Platinum/Emerald deserved better though, it’s tragic how the best games in the series all sold the worst.

 

[Noxe]

People just hate B/W 1 cuz it forces you to actually try new Mon until post game. I for one don't mind an entirely new dex cuz I'm sick of seeing the same handful of mon be constantly put in every game and everyone just falls back to using old shit instead of trying new mons.

 

[Lucille Bluth]

I don't understand where people draw their optimism from for Legends ZA, the games coming out next year and the only thing they were confident enough to show was a title card. Is it cope?

IDK why some people online are acting like Nintendo will spend this hypothetical year "polishing" and "refining" the games, when we know that's (likely) not the case.

Pokemon has generally pushed for 3 year gen cycles and November 2025 marks three years since Gen 9 started. Unless they want Gen 9 to be 4 years, I'd bet Legends ZA comes out in January 2025 like Legends Arcues and Gen 10 starts that November. Which likely means the games are almost like a November 2024 release... just two months later.

I hope we get more lore on Zygarde's power and I'm curious to see if we'll also get more info on Champion Diantha and Team Flare leader Lysandre. XY were so underdeveloped and Diantha's actually my fave champion aesthetic wise.

I bet the starters will have overt French connections given Kalos's inspiration. Which might mean Torchic (Gallic Rooster), Snivy (literally said that it's inspired by French nobility) and either Piplup (Napolone) or Froakie (frog). I want more native Kalos Pokemon get mega evolutions because how tf are you the gen/region where Megas are native to and only one of your mons can Mega evolve?

 

[Horribadger]

Man, I just realised, we're going to get some dogshit story about the first mega evolution, aren't we? Can't wait for the power of friendship to be retconned to the power of everyone being assholes to each other! I hate the moderngamefreakchrist

 

[30+GameOvers]

Black and White’s deserved poor reception and commercial underperformance is the problem

I disagree. Black/White were terrific games and actually tried to do something different that time around. If they succeeded in that is another story, but I feel this was the last time Pokemon tried to actually evolve as a medium. Ever since people started crying about ice cream cones and lack of Charizards, we have gotten constant stagnation and Kanto pandering. This lead us to the inevitable conclusion that is Sword/Shield, the only reason Scarlet/Violet even went open world is because Legends did so. Current day Gamefreak is creatively bankrupt, so they will milk any good ideas that one of the devs comes up with to the ground, they will make money either way. Playing it safe is the key, since I doubt anyone there even enjoys making these games anyways, that was definitely not the case for Black/White which Masuda considered his Magnum Opus at the time.

Masuda tried something different, put his heart and soul into it, and people shit on him for it. Can you blame the man when all he did afterwards for the rest of his career was play it safe? I believe his last game was Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee, which is just a poor man's remake of Yellow aimed at toddlers/people who don't play Pokemon. How embarrassing. I think both fans and devs get exactly what they deserve for paying attention to the negative attention from people who defended every Gamefreak blunder onwards as long as they had access to their Pikachu.
I do agree that third versions definitely deserve better, but you got to consider that there is no market for them outside of hardcore Pokemon fans. They were always doomed to obscurity unless they were marketed better, people who play casually already bought one version and won't pay for a second, let alone third. For example, rather than releasing them a year afterwards, save them as remakes of sorts for the next generation of consoles, launch day: People get to play something new not only on day one, when they get their consoles, but it's a game they are guaranteed to like, with better graphics and new features. Win-Win for everyone and both casuals and veterans get an excuse to play the game again, but both Nintendo and Gamefreak would rather release garbage every year to make more money since it will sell anyways. Fans definitely proved that theory right

@Noxe
It's even more pathetic than that because you can port every single Pokemon from a Gen 4 game onwards to Gen 5, that includes Gen 3 ones if they are ported over to Gen 4. They were angry that there is no wild Kanto pokemon or a Charizard cameo, literal baby-tier temper tantrum that nobody was playing up to their nostalgia. Masuda is not allowed to have any new ideas or try to encourage players to make the new pokemon anything but a suggestion, we NEED the same exact several pokemon in every game until the end of time. I bet that was why he turned the first dungeon in XY into a 1-1 replica of Virdian forest and guaranteed the first Pokemon you see is a kanto bird shitmon, definitely easier to jingle the keys for the retards than to put any sort of effort into any of his products ever again

 

[Kurohige]

BW2/Platinum/Emerald deserved better though, it’s tragic how the best games in the series all sold the worst.

Sucks, but it's not surprising. Remakes/definitive editions, and in the case of BW2, actual sequels, are consistent low sellers.

Consoomers will shell out for ¾ths or half finished games, but wake up and say no when it's actually complete. Usually because they see it and assume, "Oh, it's just going to be the same game." Game Freak tries a little to sell that's not the case, but alas...

 

[Noxe]

I really like that gen 5 had no old Mon until post game. If I wanted to use the same old Mon every generation I'd just...idk fuckin play the game they're from. I make it a point to never use a old Mon unless they get a new form later on until post game.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Sucks, but it's not surprising. Remakes/definitive editions, and in the case of BW2, actual sequels, are consistent low sellers

It doesn't help in BW2's case specifically that it released in the last year of the DS lifecycle, right before the release of 3DS. The online for that game was the least shortlived of the franchise, except for maybe edge cases like the Japanese only Crystal service you needed a Mobile Phone for

 

[Xerxes IX]

Man, I just realised, we're going to get some dogshit story about the first mega evolution, aren't we? Can't wait for the power of friendship to be retconned to the power of everyone being assholes to each other! I hate the moderngamefreakchrist

They already soft retconned it with the sun/moon Dex entries making many Mega evos body horror or something that makes the Pokémon go on mindless rampages. Maybe the point of that was to say the power of friendship is so strong Pokémon will endure that for their Trainers, but edgy retcons already have their foundations.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

I really like that gen 5 had no old Mon until post game. If I wanted to use the same old Mon every generation I'd just...idk fuckin play the game they're from. I make it a point to never use a old Mon unless they get a new form later on until post game.

Black & White were the last mainline games I actually remember moments from. Krocoroc being a team staple, playing around with the form change mechanics of Darmanitan, the fucking GOAT that is Ferrothorn, having fun with Archeops / flying gem / acrobatics nukes. I remember the bridges as transitional set pieces very vividly. The weird as fuck ride with N on the Ferris wheel where I was confused as fuck about this obviously antagonist character's motives. Say what you will about his retarded / brainwashed motivations, but I actually enjoyed the interactions with him as a rival since he didn't start as your happy go lucky friend rival.

Only way it could have gone better is if they actually did more to justify his takes like they sort of do in Black & White 2.

 

[Kurohige]

I really like that gen 5 had no old Mon until post game. If I wanted to use the same old Mon every generation I'd just...idk fuckin play the game they're from. I make it a point to never use a old Mon unless they get a new form later on until post game.

I never got that complaint, especially when the major complaint of Gen 2 is that you can't encounter most of the Johto mons until post-Johto. DP got flak for being poorly balanced with the types (Fire-types, especially), and Platinum fixed it by adding more other generation Pokémon.

I guess that's where the disappointment for BW comes from—it only having, initially, regionals only. However, you can make a balanced team, for the most part. The only issues I see are the evo levels (what the hell were they thinking with Braviary and Hydreigon?), and circumstantial imbalances. For instance, unless you're good or packed with potions, Elesa is wiping you unless you have a Sandile, that you can catch nearby, thankfully. Most people love Krookodile, but some playthroughs, you just don't want to use it as a core team member, or go out of your way to catch it and immediately box it after the Electric-type gym.

 

[Noxe]

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I don't remember ever really struggling with any of the gym leaders minus the fuckin normal one that was weirdly annoying cuz of her mod form lilipup. Scolipede is one of my personal favorites. love that huge centipede man.

 

[30+GameOvers]

It gets worse: The new pokemon were based off the original 151. Sure, they were not 1-1 replicas but many played the same role with a twist or different stats.
These pokemon NEEDED to be just like the ones from Kanto, nothing new will do. Geodude is the only rock type allowed and Zubat is the only bat pokemon allowed, we don't want variety when we can feel the fuzzy wuzzies from nostalgia instead.
The ice cream cone/garbage bag argument is also hilarious on it's own, when you consider that Gen 1 had a pokeball with eyes(evo only flipped it on it's side and added a smiling mouth) and a literal pile of sludge(whose evo is "it just gets bigger and meaner"). Those pokemon are good because they came from Kanto, ice cream bad because it's new.
Kanto shills/genwunners could have their own lolcow thread here, I'm sure enough content could be found to justify it somehow. Definitely one of the worst parts of the community, hands down. Myself, I actually enjoyed what BW2 did by mixing new pokemon with old, but I did respect the hustle of BW1 for forcing you to adapt to newer pokemon. In theory, that SHOULD have replicated someone's very first playthru of red/blue, one where they didn't know what they were doing and were learning everything on the fly, but even better since the game mechanics were much further evolved than they were on the gameboy and had much more nuance. What happened in reality was, and I know I sound like a broken record, genwunners getting mad because the game felt *too* new and unfamiliar, despite the game being mostly the same thing as every other Pokemon game just with different Pokemon. The "radical departures" were minimal but still too big for the target audience to bear.

I can only imagine where the franchise could have been today if nobody took these people seriously and Masuda tried to make XY another Magnum Opus to top BW1. Imagine if the first 3D mainline game was actually optimized, finished and had some thought put into it, rather than just pandering to genwunners and being a bare-minimum technical demo and a base for Z that would never come...well, until now I guess

 

[6MillionCoofs]

BW2/Platinum/Emerald deserved better though, it’s tragic how the best games in the series all sold the worst.

When you consider how bad BW were the Sequels not selling made sense. It’s not like they did anything to fix the starters. Heck, even the anime for BW got shit on for resetting Ash hard.

D/P had a lot of issues. I can see why Platinum did not sell well.
Same with R/S and Emerald even if they openly and obviously fixed their base games. Too little to late.

 

[AnotherPleb]

When you consider how bad BW were the Sequels not selling made sense. It’s not like they did anything to fix the starters. Heck, even the anime for BW got shit on for resetting Ash hard.

D/P had a lot of issues. I can see why Platinum did not sell well.
Same with R/S and Emerald even if they openly and obviously fixed their base games. Too little to late.

The starters all being kind of bleh hurt BW as well. Let's look at the previous generations:

1.) Charmander wins this one full-stop. A somewhat awkward middle stage doesn't hurt it at all. The Bulbasaur line is kind of nice too and in other generations would win out. The Squirtle line is hurt by Blastoise always feeling out of line with the others, and the Kanto Renewal Project mod gives Totartle which would have been good competition for Zard.

2.) The Cyndaquil line was also the clear winner here - there's a reason Whitney is the brick wall for everyone. The Totodile line is also pretty solid competition, but it's hurt in gen 3 until gen 6 by physical being its main stat and its appearance asks for it to have a part dark type. While I like the Chikorita line aesthetically nobody can deny that Johto in particular is cruel to the line.

3.) This is the first generation where all the starters can have some argument for being best. The Treecko line was admittedly let down by Sceptile not really meshing with the looks of its prevos and an odd movepool that wants it to go mixed, but it gets a lot of help by staying relevant through the whole game (in Sapphire and Emerald). Mudkip's line is also fairly good and when it starts evolving it gets one of the best ingame typings in Water/Ground. It becomes especially good in Ruby thanks to all the fire types around. The Torchic line, despite not having a team it's good against, has a lot to work with. Its weak points in the gym challenge (besides Roxie) all hit late enough that you should have other team members to cover up, and it started the Fire/Fighting meme by being really good with it.

4.) This generation is won so damn hard by the Chimchar line that it's not even funny. Infernape is somehow a better Blaziken and this is a generation that in the vanilla games has a massive lack of fire types. The Turtwig line is a little unfortunate since the Ground type makes it neutral to water types which does rear its ugly head and it overall comes off as a worse Mudkip line, but natural Earthquake is a very nice thing. The Piplup line looks really good and it has a smooth transition into Empoleon (with one of the best typings around) but it has one of the most unfortunate learnsets of all time and it demands TMs and Surf to come into its own.

Generation 5? Aesthically Snivy is a nice line but it is let down by the final evolution being a fast defensive mon with a horrible movepool (there's a reason Blaze Black gives it Contrary and the secondary dragon typing, it needs that much help). Oshawott is hurt badly aesthetically by a really bad looking first stage and its final evolution drops the ball by going to all fours. Its stats and movepool are all kind of average and it would have benefitted from a lot more speed. Tepig is also where the Fire/Fighting typing turned into a hard meme and its stats are just awkward. A lot of HP, higher attacking stats... and poor defenses and speed. This generation has no really good starter that stands out and it hurts it a lot, while every other one had one people could rally behind.

 

[Horribadger]

They already soft retconned it with the sun/moon Dex entries making many Mega evos body horror or something that makes the Pokémon go on mindless rampages. Maybe the point of that was to say the power of friendship is so strong Pokémon will endure that for their Trainers, but edgy retcons already have their foundations.

Gen 7 is about when things started to go to shit in my mind, so that about checks out (don't get me started on Lillie)

 

[GigantorUnitron]

Gen 7 is about when things started to go to shit in my mind, so that about checks out (don't get me started on Lillie)

I always love some good old Lillie hatred. You wanna explain your problem with her? I love the character and Alola, but unless its the anime, I never want to see them again.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Generation 5? Aesthically Snivy is a nice line but it is let down by the final evolution being a fast defensive mon with a horrible movepool (there's a reason Blaze Black gives it Contrary and the secondary dragon typing, it needs that much help). Oshawott is hurt badly aesthetically by a really bad looking first stage and its final evolution drops the ball by going to all fours. Its stats and movepool are all kind of average and it would have benefitted from a lot more speed. Tepig is also where the Fire/Fighting typing turned into a hard meme and its stats are just awkward. A lot of HP, higher attacking stats... and poor defenses and speed. This generation has no really good starter that stands out and it hurts it a lot, while every other one had one people could rally behind.

Basically, all of this.

Gen 5 might be the best overall gen, but it's definitely the gen with the worst starters. Which is a shame because they don't really need much to fix them besides a few stat, typing, and appearance adjustments.