Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[X-avier cuck]

Nah, I don't think they know what they're doing at all. They are just milking the paypigs dry cause they found out the franchise is an infinite money cheat and needs no effort made from any of it's products. That friends game with microtransactions is proof of it. If they did want to give fans what they want, they would never have done Dexit and the Switch games would resemble GC games in quality rather than the touched up 3DS garbage(or whatever the hell SV is supposed to be, mobile slopcore maybe).

What makes a “good” Pokémon game really comes down to YMMV. I’m literally watching one video right now calling a certain generation “peak Pokémon,” and right next to it is another video saying it’s one of the worst in the entire franchise. That contrast kind of sums up where we are.

It’s even more fascinating when you look at the competitive scene—some of the VGC folks I follow are calling Pokémon Champions one of the best entries we’ve ever gotten, despite all the surrounding weirdness and the usual TPC caveats.
Of course, Game Freak isn’t blameless here. They kind of created a large self-made problem and the place they live in is legitimately terrible for work culture anyways, but they can't do anything without upsetting half of the millions of fans that they have because of how sentimental people get about the series

At the end of the day, what the average Pokémon fan wants usually just comes down to the generation they grew up with. For the longest time, it felt like the DS-era crowd (Gen 4/5) dominated that conversation, but now you can feel the tide shifting—people who came in during Sun and Moon or even X and Y are starting to reshape the narrative. The 3DS kids are slowly aging into nostalgia territory, and the whole fandom is shifting again.


The only other thing I can compare this to is Zelda but that had the smarts to diverge its series early on so people can enjoy different things about it can enjoy different things about it

 

[30+GameOvers]

It’s even more fascinating when you look at the competitive scene—some of the VGC folks I follow are calling Pokémon Champions one of the best entries we’ve ever gotten, despite all the surrounding weirdness and the usual TPC caveats.

Niggercattle that sees no problem with using in-game currency to edit stats of their Pokemon. They likely don't care because they will just gen anyways.

 

[Squawking Macaw]

It wasn't found with the Teraleak, so it might sadly just be gone. Ridiculous they never released it to the public, hell it might have even saved the game.

To find it we'd need someone to send a phishing link to Genius Sonority, or maybe Nintendo. The only evidence we have of that build is a couple of videos made during the 2009 World Championship where Lucas and Dawn have their Platinum costumes, so it's not like the games would change massively. It was basically just a mod made for the tournament.

What makes a “good” Pokémon game really comes down to YMMV. I’m literally watching one video right now calling a certain generation “peak Pokémon,” and right next to it is another video saying it’s one of the worst in the entire franchise. That contrast kind of sums up where we are.

To be completely fair, that's the case with every franchise. You always have some fan favorites, sure, but different people like different aspects of any game. Some Pokemon games are less criticized than others, it's rare to find people shitting on HeartGold and SoulSilver, for example (but it's becoming more common).

At the end of the day, what the average Pokémon fan wants usually just comes down to the generation they grew up with. For the longest time, it felt like the DS-era crowd (Gen 4/5) dominated that conversation, but now you can feel the tide shifting—people who came in during Sun and Moon or even X and Y are starting to reshape the narrative. The 3DS kids are slowly aging into nostalgia territory, and the whole fandom is shifting again.

One day the Kalos and Alola kids would grow up and spew their nostalgia-tinted opinions all over the place, it seems that day has come. Eventually the Galar and Paldea kids will be of posting age as well.
That said, I grew up with gen 5 and I'm a Unova white knight, so criticizing their "nostalgia-tinted opinions" might be hypocritical of me.

 

[Abella]

That said, I grew up with gen 5 and I'm a Unova white knight, so criticizing their "nostalgia-tinted opinions" might be hypocritical of me.

It’s not any worse than the people who do that with gen 1 but have literally never played anything from gen 2 on.

 

[30+GameOvers]

To find it we'd need someone to send a phishing link to Genius Sonority, or maybe Nintendo. The only evidence we have of that build is a couple of videos made during the 2009 World Championship where Lucas and Dawn have their Platinum costumes, so it's not like the games would change massively. It was basically just a mod made for the tournament.

The implication is that there is much more than just costume changes in the new release. I am guessing bug fixes, new Pokemon forms(most importantly for Rotom) and maybe better retail Pokemon, or at least wider selection of them. Only way to find out is to find the ROM.

 

[X-avier cuck]

I can say personally for me I always had a soft spot for generation 2, and HGSS were some of my most anticipated things ever just because of how much oh a HASSLE it was to get generation 2 Pokemon during generation 3.

I have fond memories of my mom buying me Pokemon heart Gold and Sonic colors for the Wii simultaneously and my dad got me Soul silver.

It's nostalgic memories like that that kind of make Pokemon what it is someone but I never really had that for black and white or their sequels.

As far as the modern games go my favorite is Legends Arceus just because I like that it's a constantly evolving world and I really enjoyed the side quest and characters.

I think the leaks will show that I'll also enjoy ZA, but I really don't know about generation X.

 

[Computer God Autism]

I think the route that Nintendo and TPC are taking is to basically try to pull a Zelda by splitting things off into different factions.

I'll believe this is a deliberate strategy and not pure incompetence and laziness when they make a dating sim.

 

[Coon Cheese]

The spritework was liked, the animations on them and the constant zoom in on them wasn't very well liked and made people overly focus on that instead of the spritework

Oh man I forgot how bad the constant zooming in and out was in B&W, I will say that I would take the constant zooming in and out over how slow the sinnoh games were.

I remember it clear as day, gen 5 objectmons were used as evidence that Game Freak was "running out of ideas." The seething caused by Vanilluxe and Garbodor was legendary, yet no one ever mentioned Chandelure or Cofagrigus.

People always seethe about objectmons like the key chain one even doe Voltorb and Electrode look like fucking shit compared to the newer objectmons, Also I love Cofagrigus and Sharpedo during the gen 5 games because their names would avoid the word filters so you could name your Pokémon fag or pedo or pedo fag, but the word filter would stop you from calling your Pokémon Faggot or pedophile or fuck or poo and so and so forth. I was still a child when I had this game, so I remember I was traded a Pokémon with the name fag.

 

[BlazikenLover]

I grew up with the original anime series and my first games were the gen 3 ones (since I never got a gameboy or GBA and had to emulate) but I love BW to death since they got me back into the franchise proper. I say SM aren't terrible, just bogged down by unskippable cutscenes, wonder what kind of gen 7 romhacks we will see once we have better modding tools for those.

 

[Abella]

I saw a stream scrolling through YouTube shorts of some lady living in a hotel room showing off her thousands of dollars worth of Pokemon cards. I wonder why it seems like the people with valuable collections like that always live like shit.

 

[X-avier cuck]

I grew up with the original anime series and my first games were the gen 3 ones (since I never got a gameboy or GBA and had to emulate) but I love BW to death since they got me back into the franchise proper. I say SM aren't terrible, just bogged down by unskippable cutscenes, wonder what kind of gen 7 romhacks we will see once we have better modding tools for those.

I like sun and moon but knowing what it was supposed to be makes it nearly as good as Pokemon X and Y in terms of cut content.

The original pitch for the game sounds like it would have been one of the best Pokemon games of all time

 

[chimpSculpture]

Whatsl's the average age of a Japanese Pokémon fan? Do more jap adults own the games compared to jap kids?

 

[Abella]

Whatsl's the average age of a Japanese Pokémon fan? Do more jap adults own the games compared to jap kids?

I’d say that it’s more kids than adults from what I’ve seen. They don’t have as much of a problem with Disney adult tier people.

 

[Computer God Autism]

I’d say that it’s more kids than adults from what I’ve seen. They don’t have as much of a problem with Disney adult tier people.

Actually Japan is full of Disney adults. Disneyland is unironically one of the most popular things amongst adult Japanese women.

 

[X-avier cuck]

Whatsl's the average age of a Japanese Pokémon fan? Do more jap adults own the games compared to jap kids?

Based on a person who was in ground zero it's kind of like Disney where you have a lot of kids and adults.

The think about the recent Pokemon game starting from the switch is that they have managed to become some of the most beloved games over in Japan to the point that SWSH and SV have basically outsold every single generation with Arceus not being that far behind.

That isn't to say that there isn't some critiquing but they seem to love the Ohmori approach which is far as I can tell is sort of the exact opposite of the West

 

[Retarded Weeb]

Based on a person who was in ground zero it's kind of like Disney where you have a lot of kids and adults.

The think about the recent Pokemon game starting from the switch is that they have managed to become some of the most beloved games over in Japan to the point that SWSH and SV have basically outsold every single generation with Arceus not being that far behind.

That isn't to say that there isn't some critiquing but they seem to love the Ohmori approach which is far as I can tell is sort of the exact opposite of the West

Does them selling a lot really mean they're especially more loved than in the rest of the world though? For one thing, I've seen tons of criticism and raging about modern Pokemon games from Japanese fans on the interest, same as in the West. And for another thing, SWSH and SV have outsold previous generations worldwide, it's not just a Japanese thing.

You know what. In fact, looking over the numbers, Sword/Shield seems to have done much better in the rest of the world than in Japan. SWSH sold 5.64 million in Japan, which is slightly higher than RS and BW by a couple hundred thousand, and lower than DP (which got just over 6 million) and GS (over 7 million), which leaves another 21.08 million sales from the rest of the world. There's no greater breakdown of regions besides Japan vs everyone else, but American and European sales of Pokemon games are generally pretty close so for the sake of argument lets split that evenly into about 10.5 million per region, that massively outsells every previous Pokemon in those regions except Red/Blue in America, where it's still only a million down.

Now, SV sold 8.66 million in Japan, which does beat out everything except RGB, but still that leaves 18.13 million in the rest of the world, so let's say about 9 million each in America and Europe, that would make it the 3rd best selling in America after RB and SWSH, and the 2nd best selling in Europe after SWSH.

 

[Abella]

Actually Japan is full of Disney adults. Disneyland is unironically one of the most popular things amongst adult Japanese women.

To be fair, I’ve never seen half the stuff there I’ve seen here. No quadroons and fat wiggers fighting over a vending machine or mystery meat mutts fighting outside of Best Buy.

 

[Computer God Autism]

And for another thing, SWSH and SV have outsold previous generations worldwide, it's not just a Japanese thing.

I'm convinced a big part of this is manchildren.

During the late aughts/early 2010s, large numbers of men in their mid-20s to early 30s weren't buying new Pokemon games. There were no memes about the DS/DSi catering to manchildren in the same way there are for the Switch. This isn't to say it didn't happen, just that the majority of people playing Pokemon during what most old fans agree were its best years were children and teenagers. During those years Pokemon wasn't bending over backwards to pander to people born in the late 80s/early 90s either to recapture that Genwunner crowd. Well now everyone and their mother has a Switch and chasing nostalgia is something that we are just culturally conditioned to do. Sure, most of the people eating up nuPokemon are still probably children but the numbers are absolutely inflated by grown men who consume product and get excited for new product.

 

[Abella]

I'm convinced a big part of this is manchildren.

It is, I know I sperg about the cards a lot, but just look at the people in that scene. People reaching their Middle Ages and having a midlife crisis, but they can’t afford to buy a new sports car or summer beach home. So what do they do? They buy and fight over a children’s card game, they go full soyjak over a half-assed attempt to revisit muh Kanto via lets go pikachu/eevee (even though I admit it wasn’t as bad as it could’ve been), they go to the Pokemon center website and buy dropship quality shit like lifestyle products and plushies. It’s not just Pokemon, they do this with Nickelodeon cartoons and Dragonball Z, anything from the late 80s to early 00s.

Nostalgia is a hell of a drug, especially when it harkens back to when life seemed better and you weren’t an adult with responsibilities. That’s part of why I don’t take it too seriously anymore when people bitch about the newer generations of Pokemon like you’d see normoids doing. It’s not for you, 37 year old millennial, you’re not the target audience anymore, especially not after you ditched the series in 2001 because it wasn’t cool anymore. The designs aren’t awful and gen 1 isn’t peak, it’s just that you’ve grown up and can’t see that every generation had its bangers and duds.

I would go even further and say it’s not just Pokemon, no, it’s also a problem with Nintendo in general. People who’ve grown up playing Nintendo games seem to like complaining because of the changes made across generations. They can’t accept that they’re not the target demographic anymore.

 

[Computer God Autism]

I would go even further and say it’s not just Pokemon, no, it’s also a problem with Nintendo in general. People who’ve grown up playing Nintendo games seem to like complaining because of the changes made across generations. They can’t accept that they’re not the target demographic anymore.

I would agree if it weren't blatantly obvious Nintendo is targeting the nostalgia of older demographics as much as new audiences (that they're honestly losing - more kids care about Minecraft than Pokemon) and that many of these people never stopped playing to begin with. Like, sure, people get older, tastes change, they become more discerning, they get rose-tinted glasses, but on the other the people who never put down Pokemon since the aughts probably have a good reference point to say that the series they have an unhealthy obsession with has demonstrably declined (and declined in part because they refuse to give it up).