Police to announce arrest in Delphi murders Monday, suspect identified - 10/31 10am Eastern (Links)

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DELPHI, Ind. (WLS) -- Indiana State Police are expected to release more details Monday morning about an arrest in the 2017 murder of two girls in Delphi

Police are expected to name the suspect during a news conference in Delphi at 9 a.m. Central Time.

Residents told ABC7 they've interacted with the suspect multiple times and said the individual reportedly worked at a local pharmacy.

Sources tell ABC's Indianapolis affiliate a person has been arrested in connection with the murders.

"The state police never really discussed details on what was found at the scene, but the belief all along is that there was at least some sort of genetic material," Brad Garrett, ABC News contributor and former FBI agent. "Clearly they have something that links him to the crime."

The case has been shrouded in mystery since February 2017 when 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German seemingly disappeared after going for a hike. Their bodies were found the next day.

"How did this come to light almost five years after this crime was committed?" Garret said. "Something broke in recent days, at least to the point that it gave them enough probable cause and evidence to arrest this new person."

The girls' killer was able to avoid capture, even with thousands of tips coming in to police and despite one of the teens, Libby, taking this grainy video the day of their disappearance showing a man walking towards the girls.

Authorities have said he may be the killer. Libby also captured a chilling recording, thought to be the man's voice.


Libby's family reacted to the update expected later Monday. Her sister Kelsi tweeted, "just know how grateful I am for all of you."

Just know how grateful I am for all of you. No comments for now, any questions please refer to the Carroll county prosecutors office. There is tentatively a press conference Monday at 10am. We will say more then. Today is the day%uD83D%uDC9C
%u2014 Kelsi German (@libertyg_sister) October 28, 2022
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duckling said:
The crime scene photos have leaked (again). They first leaked a few years ago to the murder sheet podcast. I don’t know if these are the same ones or what the source is. I found this blog via a schizo poster on Facebook.

Warning: these links contain crime scene images of the deceased victims, including a censored image of a nude victim.

Blog: https://justiceforjonbenetramsey.bl...zIIggfSrs-upDw_aem_vssFcLVlgovPEjuibojqfA&m=1

Archive: https://archive.ph/wip/DHdsc

I hesitate to host the pictures here locally since one of the victims is undressed and underage. If a moderator sees this please let me know site policy for this specific content.
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Those sticks are clearly very carefully placed, and not intended to hide the bodies imho.
 
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FatalTater said:
Those are the crime scene pictures that were leaked by someone working with the defense team.
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Ah ok. So for those of you not in the know, these were originally leaked by a friend of Andrew Baldwin, who is on the defense team, by Mitchell Westerman in October 2023. Westerman was charged with one count of conversion, a class A misdemenor, and the charge was dismissed last week.
 
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marjoram said:
So what say you, Kiwi Fam ? Guilty or not guilty?
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I can't confidently say one way or the other, but I'm leaning towards not guilty.

The weird cultist shit seems like a desperate ploy from the defense, and I hope that's just what it is. Otherwise, best case scenario, the judge unknowingly is turning a blind eye to some horrific shit going on in the woods.
 
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Reddit is scandalized at truth getting out.

Not sure how reliable it is, but in the Oct 29 2024 post on that blog https://archive.ph/DHdsc it mentions both Derrick German and Brad Holder being confidential informants.
If that's so, then it makes sense that no mention of Odinism or the ones practicing it can ever be mentioned in court.
There's no way to bring up any of the guys involved in the ritual stuff without it leading right back to Brad Holder. (I do judge the shit out of the agencies for letting their rats get away with literal murder. Give them a few extra favors here and there but draw a line somewhere, please.)
Explains so much.

Brad Holder's Pintarest page https://www.pinterest.com/badhoehoes/
 
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marjoram said:
So what say you, Kiwi Fam ? Guilty or not guilty?

I still have no idea who killed those girls. There’s still lots of reasonable doubt to go around. Seems they just got sick of this case still being open and so nicked Rick. The evidence against him is darn near non existent. Alternative possibilities are skimmed over or totally ignored....Eye witnesses, time-lines (good god the timeline) , psychotic confessions.

I gotta vote not guilty and it totally pisses me off cause I’ve followed this grotesque case since 2017 and I was HAPPY when they finally caught the bastard.. And now it doesn’t look like they HAVE caught the bastard...because the powers that be in Delphi IN are fucking retarded at best......dammit.
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I think he did it but not so much that I would vote guilty and put him away for the rest of his life. Way too much reasonable doubt.
 
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I made this thread over 2 years ago as a cut and dried 'Allen did it' thread, cause I was sure he was bridge guy. Just the last few pages of shit makes this makes me sick. I thought the Sarah Boone case was wild, but this crap, I don't even keep up really anymore cause that one was 'yeah she did it'.

This looks like some old fashion Deliverance style insanity going on, ugh.

And especially, fuck the 'ballistic fingerprint' nonsense. Throw all that voodoo out of any case ever. There is NO WAY an ejected round can reliably be traced back to any weapon. That said, I haven't followed this super close but I still think Allen was involved.
 
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FatalTater said:
Reddit is scandalized at truth getting out.
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Lol the mod team for that sub are a bunch of controlling dipshits. I like to follow that sub as well as /r/delphimurders and /r/delphidocs to get a broad array of (preddit quality) opinions. There is also /r/libbyandabby but to my recollection that one went off the rails years ago.

My very unoriginal opinion is honestly I flip flop. When they first announced Allen I was sold. When I saw the probable cause affidavit I was deeply concerned. As the trial grew closer amnesia kicked in and I was sure he was guilty. After the prosecution rested I was sure they had basically nothing (the ballistics in particular was a fucking joke). The only thing that made me say he might possibly be guilty was the psychologist’s testimony but I guess she also was inappropriately accessing his files and fighting people on Facebook/websleuths/etc about the case so I don’t think she’s a reliable witness (although the jury would not be aware of this huge conflict of interest). All that to say…. I don’t know man. I am so curious why the jury recessed 40 mins early today. Unanimous? Fisticuffs? Need to sleep on it? Hopefully we get their verdict before the weekend.

What I DO know for sure is that those cops are fucking retarded and judge gull broke Indiana state law to protect their retard asses from becoming a national scandal. Fewer sound clips of them discussing all of their horrible fuckups and mishandling of evidence over the years means harder for mainstream news to take a giant, well-deserved dump on their badges. If I were a resident of Delphi I’d vote in a new sheriff asap (or however that backwater works).
 
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duckling said:
What I DO know for sure is that those cops are fucking retarded and judge gull broke Indiana state law to protect their retard asses from becoming a national scandal.
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I came upon this case as a direct result of looking into the Burger Chef murders from 1978. (I started listening to the Murder Sheet podcast and they had a lot of Delphi stuff so I thought Why not? and here we are.)
Between that case and this and what I've heard from people I know irl in Indiana, the state police... are what they are.
There was another case that I'm trying to remember but for the life of me it won't come to mind that shows what goes on over there. If I think of it I'll edit.
 
mlanguishi said:
Throw all that voodoo out of any case ever. There is NO WAY an ejected round can reliably be traced back to any weapon.
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Bullet forensics is shooting a similar round out of the same weapon you think it was fired from and comparing markings, it works if conditions are correct. It doesn't work if someone put a few hundred rounds through the gun in between testing and comparison though, since you've changed the wear marks.
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What I DO know for sure is that those cops are fucking retarded and judge gull broke Indiana state law to protect their retard asses from becoming a national scandal.
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Yeah, it looks like police incompetence combined with people way in over their head in terms of ability means we won't ever see the truth.

I'm betting the girls stumbled upon the Vinlanders doing pagan rituals ie. having a gay meth orgy so they killed them in their paranoia and psychosis.
 
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Bonesjones said:
Bullet forensics is shooting a similar round out of the same weapon you think it was fired from and comparing markings, it works if conditions are correct. It doesn't work if someone put a few hundred rounds through the gun in between testing and comparison though, since you've changed the wear marks.
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I don't believe he even fired anything at the scene, apparently he racked a round in and out and 'matched' the brass to the breech and ejector and crap.

I haven't really even heard of fired shots being matched up lately, but holy crap it was on nearly every episode for about 15 years of Forensic Files back in the day.

I know it's Reddit and all but.. https://www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/12umciw/more_proven_bullshit_from_forensic_ballistics/

I think it's pretty much been moved into the pseudoscience realm like polygraphs. It still blows me away that anyone agrees to do that guilty or not. You never hear of a bullet that didn't match or anyone passing a polygraph, they're basically just junk science formalities to get confessions.

And.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_firearm_examination
Biederman and Kotsoglou also pointed out that Dror and Scurich's proposals would set false incentives where examiners would be directed to be "divining what the mythical forensic wisdom of the consensus opinion might (and hence enshrine the false belief in the existence of such wisdom), be rather than the ground truth".
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And if you want to see someone totally suckered into confession to a polygraph fail hilariously, watch Chris Watts'. They have to say, by law in every state, that it can't be used in court to help or hurt you, but people do it anyway to look 'honest' with the cops. I notice 2 things that usually break people, polygraphs and the 'alternate story' of the Reid Technique where they go 'if you had to do it in defense, or just saw it, it's better to admit that and you don't get in as much trouble. Watts fell for both.
 
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Has a person ever been kept in a prison in solitary confinement before his trial and conviction ? Not that I’ve ever heard of....

That was deliberately done to break Allen because they NEEDED that confession. Prosecutors knew very well they had nothing else. Well, except vengeance. It was the foulest of crimes and the cops looked like idiots. Somebody’s gotta pay for that.

Allen admitted to being on the bridge around the time of the murders. Perhaps he IS bridgeguy. Maybe Libby DID video him. That means without a doubt he was the killer???

I worry the real killer (s) are still roaming around and I worry MORE this incompetence and bad faith will become the accepted norm. (Kinda already is).

Under these circumstances who exactly is the criminal?
 
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Has a person ever been kept in a prison in solitary confinement before his trial and conviction ? Not that I’ve ever heard of....
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I’m sure it happens more than we realize, but in specific example - Mansoor Adayfi was held 14 years in various levels of solitary confinement in Guantanamo without trial. In that same regard, in 2015 SCOTUS elaborated in their ruling on Kingsley v Hendrickson that “individuals awaiting trial are particularly vulnerable to government abuse”. That aside, I’m further concerned about the use of the medication haldol on Allen, of which one of the side effects is hallucinations.

Anyways, Allen and his lawyers were recalled to the court this morning, presumably to observe while jurors examined evidence.
 
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congrats to the state of Indiana for running the most incompetent investigation possible and still nailing the guy. I really hope they are right. When is sentencing?

I always like reading Reddit comments for the most insane takes after a contentious event, so your links are:

To observe smug, righteous circlejerking, navigate to /r/delphitrial

For catastrophizing and doom posting navigate to /r/delphidocs

For a mixed bag head to /r/delphimurders
 
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