Police to announce arrest in Delphi murders Monday, suspect identified - 10/31 10am Eastern (Links)

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DELPHI, Ind. (WLS) -- Indiana State Police are expected to release more details Monday morning about an arrest in the 2017 murder of two girls in Delphi

Police are expected to name the suspect during a news conference in Delphi at 9 a.m. Central Time.

Residents told ABC7 they've interacted with the suspect multiple times and said the individual reportedly worked at a local pharmacy.

Sources tell ABC's Indianapolis affiliate a person has been arrested in connection with the murders.

"The state police never really discussed details on what was found at the scene, but the belief all along is that there was at least some sort of genetic material," Brad Garrett, ABC News contributor and former FBI agent. "Clearly they have something that links him to the crime."

The case has been shrouded in mystery since February 2017 when 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German seemingly disappeared after going for a hike. Their bodies were found the next day.

"How did this come to light almost five years after this crime was committed?" Garret said. "Something broke in recent days, at least to the point that it gave them enough probable cause and evidence to arrest this new person."

The girls' killer was able to avoid capture, even with thousands of tips coming in to police and despite one of the teens, Libby, taking this grainy video the day of their disappearance showing a man walking towards the girls.

Authorities have said he may be the killer. Libby also captured a chilling recording, thought to be the man's voice.


Libby's family reacted to the update expected later Monday. Her sister Kelsi tweeted, "just know how grateful I am for all of you."

Just know how grateful I am for all of you. No comments for now, any questions please refer to the Carroll county prosecutors office. There is tentatively a press conference Monday at 10am. We will say more then. Today is the day%uD83D%uDC9C
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Day Ten

Videos are being shown of Richard Allen being interviewed, from October 2022.

Court began at 9:02 a.m. News 8’s Kyla Russell reports Allen is wearing a light purple button-down shirt with khaki pants. She reports he seems to have lost even more weight.

The state enters into evidence two video interviews with Allen, from October 13 and 26, 2022. Judge Gull tells the jury that parts are redacted, as they do not pertain to the investigation.

The judge allows both videos, one with Mullins and Liggett and the other with Holeman.

At 9:14, the jury enters the courtroom and the video is on the screen. Judge Gull says the jury was able to have supervised use of their phones last night and were able to look at work emails.

The state plays the October 13 video first. Mullin and Liggett explain in the video why they are talking to Allen, they read him his rights and tell him he can leave at any time. Allen says he understands.

In the video, Mullin reads to Allen what they had learned from Dulin’s interview with Allen in February 2017.

The three men joke about their ages, Allen says “I’m in the 50 club this year.” Allen give his phone number to Mullins and tells him he has an Android phone, Allen gives his email address. Mullin asks Allen if he uses Facebook and Allen says “my wife does, I don’t.”

Allen says in the video that he is married, has a daughter who was born in 1994. He says his daughter is also married, her husband used to live in the Philippines and Canada. They got married in 2017.

Allen says he graduated high school in 1991 and studied accounting at Ivy Tech before joining the military. He says he played football in high school for a year and was not an honors student.

Allen says he was in the National Guard and that he lived in Mexico, Indiana most of his life. He says he does not consistently go to church and has no criminal record.

Allen says he had a heart attack in 2010, at the age of 37. He says on the video that he suffers from depression and anxiety.

Allen tells investigators in the video that he worked at CVS since 2013 and previously worked at the location in Peru. He says he worked for Walmart for 10 years before that and left because he was tired of bureaucracy.

Mullin brings up February 2017. Allen says he was at his mom’s in Peru while his wife was working and left there at 11:15 a.m. He said he went home and got a jacket, even though it was warm out.

Allen said he walked down to the high bridge, went out a little bit on a platform and watched the fish. Allen says then he left. He says he parked either on the bridge side or near a smaller bridge. Liggett shows him a map of the area, Mullin explains where things are on the map.

Allen says he didn’t go out “all that often,” but that it varied and that he had “gone out a time or two” in the winter months.

Mullin asked Allen if there were any other way he would have driven to get there, Allen says maybe but really they always took the same route through downtown.

Allen says he was driving downtown a few days after the girls died when the DNR officer called and they agreed to meet at Save A Lot. Allen said he “thought about it a lot,” because he was probably there “around them.”

Allen says he told Dulin he saw three girls, he thought one was babysitting two of the girls and he thought they all looked alike.

News 8’s Kyla Russell reports at this point in the courtroom, Richard Allen is shaking his head.

In the video, Allen said there were two cars at the end of the trail near the entrance, a “sedan and an SUV.” Allen says he left around 1-1:30-1:45.

Allen says in the video that he worked a Walmart community event near the trails years ago and also worked near the Carrollton bridge on that community service day.

Allen says there were no vehicles where he parked on February 13, 2017. Mullin how far out on the bridge he went that day. He said he wasn’t sure how many feet it was, but really never went past that first pattern.

Liggett asked how and where he walked to get on the bridge. Allen doesn’t give a clear answer. Allen explains he had a red ford car before he got the “black car.”

Mullin again asks about him seeing three girls, Allen says he did not see anyone else while on the trails and he was walking towards the girls. “I don’t really remember seeing anyone that day. If I did, they didn’t stand out to me.”

Allen says in the video that he had an individual stock trading account, and was “trying to get rich.” In the video Allen laughs.

Allen says in the video “that was a hobby, I guess, for me,” referring to the question about stocks.

Mullin asks what he was wearing that day. Allen said he was wearing blue jeans and a back off-brand Carhartt jacket.

Liggett asked in the video if he was wearing a hat, Allen said that if he was it would have been the skull cap he kept in his jacket pockets. Allen says he was wearing either tennis shoes or combat boots or work boots. Mullin is seen texting during the interview.

Mullin asks Allen about what phone he had in 2017. Allen says he doesn’t know but he’s had his current phone for several years.

Liggett asked if Allen has a photo of his car and if they can confirm some of this information by searching his home and extracting data from his current phone. They ask if they can do that immediately.

Allen asks “how long are you going to have my phone?” Liggett asks what service provider he has and Allen says he uses “Ting,” based off Verizon.

Liggett asks what service provider he had in 2017. Allen says they can extract that information from his current phone.

Mullin reads another round of Miranda rights as it pertains to cell phone extraction.

Allen says in the video “I don’t want to be someone else’s fall-guy, I thought we were talking.” “I haven’t thought about this in a long time, I don’t want you guys to get someone from the public so we can close this thing.”

Allen says “starting to feel like you think I am the main lead here.” Liggett says “we decided to pick through this from the very beginning, there’s no fall-guy.”

“If you think I might have actually done this, and you want to get a warrant or something, that’s fine,” Allen said.

Allen agrees to let them look through his current phone and says he will look for the phone he had in 2017. Allen decides not to sign anything until he speaks to his wife.

Allen says in the video “Am I am angel of a person? No, but I guess I just don’t want you looking through every website I ever checked.” He says he’s worried they will “find pieces close to fitting and make it fit.”

“I don’t think you’re coming after me,” Allen says. “I want closure for the family as much as anyone else.

New 8’s Kyla Russell reports that Kathy Allen is “pretty upset watching this.”

Allen says in the video that he would not want people going through their home. “We’re here because we haven’t found the guy who did this, I don’t want to become that guy.”

Allen says “there’s nothing to tie me, I’m not worried. I had nothing to do with it. If I had anything useful to you, I would give you anything I had.”

Mullin explains in the video why they want to look at his car.

Allen talks about watching “Dateline” every week with his wife and “doesn’t want to be that story.”

Allen says to the investigators “This is out of left field guys, I am going to talk to my wife before I do anything. This impacts her more than it impacts me.”

Mullin and Liggett step out of the room, Allen checks his phone. They return and show him photos of his car going to the trail. Mullin says “we’ve been able to talk to your wife and daughter.” Mullins says his wife and daughter describe Allens mental health issues. Mullin shows Allen a picture of bridge guy. Mullin asks “is this you?” Allen says “I was going to shoot myself one night, I don’t have psychological issues because I went out and killed two girls.”

News 8’s Kyla Russell reports Allen’s wife Kathy is crying and sobbing in the courtroom as this portion of the video plays.

Mullin asks in the video “why is this information showing us one thing, but you’re saying another.” Allen says if feels like he’s being interrogated. “What info do you have,” he asks. “You have that I was out there, I told you that.”

After a cut in the video, Ligget says “we have people that saw you.” Liggett then leaves the room. Allen says “you’re trying to change my words around.” Mullin asks “the question is, is this you?” Allen replies “NO!”

Mullin says in the video “you were out there to do this to the girls, or you were trying to introduce them to someone. Allen continues to deny.

Allen says “arrest me or take me home, I’m done, you’re not going to find anything that connects me to the murders. you’ve lost my trust, now you’ve pissed me off, you’re an (expletive).

In the video, Allen gets up and leaves. News 8’s Kyla Russel says at this point in the courtroom, there is laughter.

Court is in recess at 9:55 a.m.
Court returns from recess at 11:05 a.m.

The jury is shown a video of an interview from Oct. 26, 2022.

In the video, Holeman is interviewing Allen. He tells Allen what they took from the house and what is being tested. he tells Allen they took swabs from a lot of the items, according to News 8’s Kyla Russell.

Holeman asks Allen if he has ever loaned any of his items — like the gun — out to anyone where DNA could have been transferred.

He also asks Allen if he had the gun on him when he went to the trails on Feb. 13, 2017. Allen said he did not.

In the video, Holeman tells Allen that the SIG Sauer matched the cartridge from the crime scene.

Allen laughs in apparent disbelief and says he doesn’t need to read the ballistics report.

“There’s no way,” he tells Holeman in the video.

“I’m on your side,” Holemand says to Allen.

Holeman asks Allen about saying “it’s over” during the search.

“The damage is done,” Allen replies.

Holeman then tells Allen the media will portray him “in a certain way” and asks, “Are you the mastermind?”

Allen responds, “Mastermind? OK…”

He asks Holeman if he realizes what he’s going through, telling him he has “anxiety” and “all kinds of stress.”

Allen adds, “There is no way a round from my gun was anywhere near those girls or the bridge.”

He continues: “Go ahead and do what you’re gonna do. Anybody who knows me…knows I could never, even if I wanted to, that’s not me.”

Holeman tells Allen the science doesn’t lie and that the death penalty is on the line. Allen says he doesn’t care

In the video, Holeman tells Allen he was the last one to contact the girls. Allen denies the claim, saying he “didn’t even know them,” according to Russell.

“Go ahead and kill me, you’ll make my wife rich,” Allen says.

At this point in the video, Holeman leaves the room. Allen remains seated and looks around.

News 8’s Kyla Russell says crime scene photos were on the table but Allen did not look at them after Holeman left the room.

Holeman comes back with a man who swabs Allen’s mouth and lips for DNA. Allen did not object to being swabbed, Russell says.

The man taking the DNA sample leaves the room.

“Ball is in your court,” Holeman tells Allen when they’re alone.

Holeman says they have more evidence from the bullet. He says Allen is “Bridge Guy” and there are five witnesses saying he was there. Ed. Note: As he noted in Saturday’s testimony, Holeman is lying here.

  • Allen: I’m not telling you I did something I didn’t f—–g do. There’s nothing you have to implicate me because I wasn’t out there.
  • Holeman: Your conscience is trying to tell you to get out in front of this.
  • Allen: If you’re going to arrest me, arrest me. I’m done talking. Nothing you have is going to show me anywhere near the murder of the little girls.
Holeman leaves the room. He returns and tells Allen that witnesses saw him with a gun on Feb. 13, 2017.

“I told you I was on the trail. I didn’t tell you I was at a murder scene,” Allen responds. “I’m not going to tell you something that didn’t happen so you can feel better about this.”

In the video, Allen says his wife will tell police he would “never do this.”

In the courtroom, Allen’s wife Kathy nods her head, according to News 8’s Kyla Russell.

“The very day they (police) asked for people to come forward (about being there), I did,” Allen tells Holeman in the interview video.

Allen continues to say that Holeman is trying to trick him.

Holeman again leaves the room. Allen appears emotional and shakes his head.

When he returns to the room, Holeman says Allen’s depression has “gotten worse” since the murders.

“If I murdered two girls, I’d have depression too,” Holeman tells him.

“I did not murder two little girls,” Allen replies.

Holeman asks Allen about his gun. Allen replies and says he carries his gun only when he goes night fishing or mushroom hunting.

At this point, Holeman — who has returned to the witness stand — tells the court he isn’t lying to Allen, but that he told him several lies “as a tactic.”

In the video, Holeman says, “I can’t present this evidence to a jury of your peers” before leaving again.

Holeman returns a short time later, tells Allen his wife, Kathy, wants to talk to him, and goes to get her.

“What kind of good person kills two people?” Allen asks.

Russell says that, at this point in the interview, Allen had not been read his rights. On Saturday, Holeman testified that the reading of Miranda rights part was “not recorded.”

In the video, Kathy Allen enters the room and hugs her husband.

“It’s going to be all right,” Allen tells his wife.

He tells her that he “can’t believe” she thinks he committed the murders.

“You know me. You know this isn’t something I could do,” Allen says. “I’m not going to sit here and convince you. I know you know I didn’t do this.”

Kathy Allen asks her husband how the bullet from his gun ended up at the crime scene, adding, “They are going to come after you and I don’t know how to answer that.”

Richard Allen tries to comfort his wife, telling her that “nobody is in trouble” and that he loves her.

“They aren’t going to get away with this,” Allen says.

At this point, Richard Allen looked back at his wife in the courtroom and winked, according to Russell.

Kathy Allen says again in the video that she can’t understand where the bullet came from.

Richard Allen tells his wife to say she wants an attorney and then they will let him leave.

The video cuts to Holeman back in the interview room with Richard and Kathy Allen.

Richard Allen asks Holeman to let Kathy leave and the two hug as she prepares to leave.

Holeman tells Kathy to tell her husband to “do the right thing,” as she leaves the room.

Holeman exits the room and returns a short time later.

“You’re gonna pay for what you’re doing with my wife,” Allen tells him.

In the video, Holeman screams at Allen.

“Arrest me,” Allen tells Holeman.

“Happy to. You’re f—-g guilty and I’m gonna prove it,” Holeman retorts.

The video ends just after 12:45 p.m.

Court is adjourned at 12:50 for a break. They were expected to reconvene at 1:45 p.m.

Witnesses called
John Galipeau, former warden at the Westville Correctional Unit
Ethan Drang, Westville corrections officer
Michael Clemons, Westville corrections officer
Michael Roberts, Westville corrections officer
Court returned from lunch at 1:45 p.m., starting with testimony from state witness John Galipeau, the former warden at the Westville Correctional Unit, a state prison. Richard Allen was imprisoned at Westville following his arrest until December 2023.

Galipeau said Allen lived in Apod A1, which included four cells for inmates on suicide watch. He described the cell as a 12 foot by 8 foot cell, same size as the other cells in the unit. The cell included a bed bolted to the ground, a toilet, three sets of clothes, and two tablets to download apps, make calls, listen to music, etc. He also said each suicide watch cell has a camera on the ceiling and the lights were on 24 hours a day. Inmates on suicide watch were seen by medical daily, had recreational time five times a week, and showered three times a week like other inmates. Galipeau added that Allen saw his family twice while at Westville, being the only inmate granted that privilege.

Galipeau said Allen was first watched by other inmates before correctional officers. News 8’s Kyla Russell reports this shift only happened after he received legal mail on April 3, 2023. Galipeau added that Allen used the toilet in the cell, but also used the toilet water to wash his face.

The state then showed the jury Exhibit #292: Richard Allen’s request for an interview. It read, “I am ready to officially confess to killing Abby and Libby. I hope I get the chance to apologize to their families.”

Galipeau described the several times Allen admitted and apologized to him about the murders. Allen also told him that he threw out the box cutter used to kill the girls in a CVS dumpster. It wasn’t clear if this was the CVS Allen was employed at. Despite the confession, Galipeau said Allen’s treatment did not change.

Allen’s attorney Brad Rozzi began his cross-examination. Rozzi asked about the safekeeping order, saying the Department of Corrections took Allen into custody while the case was pending.

Rozzi then described the layout of Westville, presenting a map of the facility. It is a medium security state prison with 3,000 inmates. It has a maximum security unit within it, where Allen was housed. Rozzi described the max security part as a “prison within a prison.” Westville is one of the three most secure prisons in Indiana.

Westville’s full name is Westville Correctional Unit, but Rozzi called it “The Hole.”

He also mentioned that when inmates are on suicide watch, they’re in the special cells on average a few days to a week.

Allen was under suicide watch for 13 months. Rozzi said he was not aware of a “pretrial detainee (being) held that long in the suicide cell in the state.”

Russell reported that Galipeau described Allen’s cell and his time at Westville like so:

  • Allen came to the prison on suicide watch.
  • Bed “barely” off the ground.
  • One narrow window that was broken but later fixed.
  • Steel toilet and steel door to a concrete cell.
  • Allen could not interact with general population.
  • Food received through small slit in door.
  • There was no table or desk to sit and eat.
  • No chair in room.
  • Allen had a tablet that was broken, but later replaced.
  • Monitored while showered, had to wear a smock while bathing.
  • Did not get to leave cell on Tuesdays.
Galipeau then explained Allen’s visits with family. The visits happened at a different facility than Westville. He wore hand restraints with a box over his hands and wore leg irons.

Rozzi referred to his restraints as a “dog leash.”

Allen was not allowed food or drink during the visits, though general population inmates are allowed these things.

Rozzi told the court that the attorneys weren’t allowed to check their phones while with Allen. Their phone calls with him also weren’t recorded, but they had a camcorder to tape their visits with him.Prison officials used force twice on Allen after he had visits with attorneys. Russell reported that Allen was tased.

Rozzi said that Allen’s companions in the suicide cells were “incentivized to tell on him.” The companions also weren’t allowed to speak to Allen or repeat anything Allen said, but told people outside. Rozzi adds that the prison guards do not have any formal mental health training.

Galipeau continued testifying, saying he did not document any of Allen’s verbal confessions he made to him. He also said he never talked to the Carroll County Sheriff’s Office about Allen and did not follow up on why he was moved out of Westville.

“I did not neglect my duties,” Galipeau said.

State prosecutor Nick McLeland jumped in to say he had Allen on suicide watch as an order from his psychologist. Rozzi asked one final question about the camcorders during the visits, which Galipeau said was because the room didn’t have any cameras.

Galipeau left the stand at 2:49 p.m.

After former Westville prison warden John Galipeau left the witness stand, state prosecutor Nick McLeland called Ethan Drang. He worked at Westville for 2.5 years and watched Richard Allen while he was on suicide watch.

Part of Drang’s requirements were to document Allen’s daily events every 15 minutes. The state’s next exhibit showed the suicide watch companion report from April 5, 2023. Drang said the log was made in real time, starting from 6 a.m.

At 8:46 a.m., Allen reportedly said, “I think coming to prison has cured my depression and anxiety. Do you want my Bible?”

Later, Drang said Allen slipped an interview request under the door.

Drang said he had no training on when “someone is faking a mental health condition.” Drang continued describing Allen’s day on April 5. At 7:25 a.m., Allen was “crying and screaming.” He later told the jury that Allen was upset anytime he had to return to his cell.

The jury chimed in for questions, asking what was inside the yellow envelope from April 5, 2023, which Drang said was the interview request. News 8’s Kyla Russell mentioned that there is a huge discrepancy on when the interview request came in. There was a note on the yellow envelope from Warden Galipeau, saying “Received March 5, 2023,” though Drang did not receive the note until April 5.

The state’s next witness was Ofc. Michael Clemons. Clemons has worked at Westville Correctional Facility for four years, and monitored Richard Allen and documented his actions in real time.

Clemons’ log from April 6, 2023, was displayed to the court. The following time stamps are quotes Clemons documented from Allen.

7:30 a.m.: “God, I am so glad nobody game up on me after I killed Abby and Libby.”

8:01 a.m.: “I, Richard Matthew Allen, killed Abby and Libby all by myself, nobody helped me.”

8:03 a.m.: “I am not crazy, I am only acting like I’m crazy.”

Clemons told the jury that he was stationed to monitor Allen for several months for several hours each shift. He mentioned that Allen’s behavior changed in “random ways.”

Defense’s Brad Rozzi asked Clemons if Allen said how he killed Abby and Libby. Clemons said no.

Rozzi said that Allen’s statement at 8:03 a.m. was his response “to other inmates watching him.” Rozzi added that other inmates would call Allen “baby killer.”

Clemons then said he was not there when Allen was tased, and didn’t see or hear that Allen was smearing or eating feces. He also didn’t believe Allen was acting crazy, saying his shift in behavior was like a switch flip.

Rozzi asked Clemons about mental health codes, to which Clemons said if he knew Allen had a code, that might have changed his mind.

The jury asked Clemmons if he documented when Allen shouted at other inmates. He replied, “It’s possible.”


9:20 a.m. - The state started the 10th of the trial by playing a recording of ISP officer Steve Mullin and current Carroll County Sheriff Tony Liggett interviewing Richard Allen on Oct. 13, 2022.
"You can leave anytime you want," Mullin says at the start of the interview.
"We just want to figure out what you saw when you were out there," Liggett says.
The two officers review what Allen reportedly told DNR officer Dan Dulin during an interview in Feb. 2017.
Allen gave the officers his name, age, address and phone number. This recording is the first time in the trial we have heard Richard Allen's voice.
Allen and the officers go through his background from high school onward. They discuss that Allen had a heart attack in 2010 and needed a couple of stents. He tells police he has depression, anxiety, high blood pressure and cholesterol. They also discuss Allen's employment history.
Then the conversation turns to Feb. 13, 2017.
Allen says he spent the morning in Peru with his mom. Allen says it was a warm day so he stopped by his house to get a jacket and then went out on the trails. He tells the police he does that about once a month.
He tells police he went to the Monon High Bridge and looked at fish "because I like fishing."

Police asked Allen where he parked, but he has a hard time describing where he parked that day.
"The bridge side of things," Allen says.
Mullin has Allen mark the spot on a map. Allen marks to places saying "either there or there."
Mullin asks Allen how he drove there.
Allen says he doesn't know the road names, he just knows how to get there.
Mullin asks Allen "How did you give your first statement?"
Allen says "they were taking information from people who were there." He tells the officers he had told his wife he had been on the trail. He tells them he spoke with a DNR officer. Allen tells Mullin and Liggett he met Dulin in a Sav-a-Lot parking lot.
"I've thought about it a lot as time goes on," Allen says.
Allen tells the officers he arrived around noon and walked around before leaving at 1 p.m. or 1:30 p.m. Allen tells the officers he saw three girls near the trailhead, who he described as looking like sisters.
"Then I didn't really see anybody," Allen says.
Allen said he sat on a bench to look over the creek for a while at one point. Allen says he saw cars parked at the Mears entrance. Allen says he used to park there. He says one time, in 2006, he did a cleanup with Lafayette Walmart Employees as a community project.
"There were no vehicles where I parked," Allen says.
When asked about a specific lot by the officers, Allen says "if that's where I told (Dulin) I parked, that's probably where I parked."
Mullin asks Allen how far out onto the Monon High Bridge Allen went that day.
Allen says he want to the fist platform that stuck out to look at fish. Allen says he had crossed the bridge years ago before it got "so rough."
Allen says he hit an SUV when he fell asleep in Peru and lost the car.
"That's why I bought that black car," Allen says. This is in reference to his 2016 Ford Focus.

Allen says his wife drove it mostly, but he would drive it when he needed to. He says it had good fuel economy.
Allen says he took the black car to visit his mom in Peru that day.
Allen says one of the three girls he saw that day was olde than the other two.
"I didn't really interact with them," Allen says. He says he didn't remember seeing anyone else on the trail that day.
He says when he got back to his car there weren't any other cars in the lot. He tells police he spent part of the walk checking a stock ticker.
"Trying to get rich," Allen says. "That was like a hobby for me."
Liggett asks Allen what he was wearing that day. Allen says he had on jeans and a jacket. He says it probably would have been black and hooded at that time. Allen says he always kept a skullcap hat in his coat pocket.
Police ask what shoes Allen was wearing and he says tennis shoes or military boots.

Police ask how long Allen had his current phone and Allen says not a long time.
Mullin asks to examine Allen's phone to check his information.
Allen asks how long they would have his phone.
Mullin said they'd ideally like to get the phone he had that day.
Police ask Allen to remember what phone he had in 2017. Allen says "if we have it (my wife) will know."
Mullin says "we can start with this one if that's alright with you."
Mullin reads Allen his rights before a search. When it comes time to put in a passcode, Allen says it "sounds like I'm going to be somebody's fall guy."
Mullin says "we're trying to eliminate people from the investigation."
Allen says "I don't want to be somebody's fall guy. Please don't think I'm questioning your integrity. From this conversation, it's like you think I did it."
Mullin says "with your permission, we'd like to look at your house."

"You'd need a warrant," Allen says. "I'm not going to let anyone go through my house."
Liggett says "we're back at the start and talking to everyone. It's nothing more than that. There's no fall guy."
Allen says he won't let them look through his house but agrees to let them look through his phone. Allen says he wants to talk to his wife first because he doesn't want her to be mad.
At one point, Allen says "I know you want closure for the family, but..."
Liggett says "we're not just randomly coming after you."
Allen says he wasn't at the trial that late.
Allen says "we're here because you're still looking. I'm not going to turn into that guy. I don't want to be the target of something. I've watch Dateline, other shows. I'm not an idiot."
"We're not trying to put anybody in a box," Mullin says.
"I don't have anything to do with this," Allen says.
Mullin says it's important for them to look at his car. Mullin and Liggett tell Allen this is about eliminating people from a refreshed investigation.
Allen says "I don't want anyone know I talked to you guys."
Mullin assures Allen the officers won't randomly share that they talked with people to the public.
Mullin says they had talked his wife. He tells Allen they knew he'd talked about wanting to hurt himself with his gun.
Mullin shows him a picture of "bridge guy."
"The question needs to be, is that you," Mullin says.
"I wouldn't know those girls," Allen says.
Liggett says "bridge guy" looks like he's wearing what Allen told police he was wearing.
"We just need to know what happened," Liggett says.
Allen says blue jeans and Carhartt jackets are common.
Mullin says "We have a lot of information."
Allen says "we sat down here. We're having a conversation."

Mullin says they "don't think you're a malicious guy." He asks Allen to help them understand.
Allen says "things seem to have taken a turn. I feel like I'm being interrogated."
Allen says "I came forward with what I knew."
Mullin says "I'm not here to give you a hard time. We're to get the truth."
Mullin continues "I have more questions. But I think we're done here."
Liggett says "People saw you."
Mullin says "Is that person you? That's the question we haven't answered."
Allen says "I don't appreciate you trying to talk me into this."
Mullin starts going over the clothing description again.
"Never mind," Allen says. "This is ridiculous."
Mullin says Allen either went to "do this to the girls" or he was there when someone else did it.
Allen says "you're trying to make me say I killed those girls."
"We're done here," Allen says. "Arrest me or take me home. I'm done."
"I'm not going to talk anymore," Allen says. "You're really pissing me off. Am I free to leave?"
Mullin says "You've always been free to leave."
"Thanks," Allen says. "You're an a*****e."
11:11 a.m. - The state plays a recording of Indiana State Police Officer Jerry Holeman interrogating Richard Allen on Oct. 26, 2022. .
Holeman tells Allen they found guns and knives at his home. He asks Allen if he had guns or knives with him on the trail on Feb. 13, 2017.
Allen says "no."
"Let's get to the meat and potatoes of this, Rick," Holeman says. He tells Allen they matched the extraction marks on the cartridge found at the scene to Allen's gun.
Allen crosses his arms.
Holeman tells Allen he's on Allen's side. He says "you've already started here. There's no backing out. The damage is done." Holeman tells Allen he doesn't think Allen should be the fall guy, but that there are experts who say Allen is the guy in the video.
Allen says he doesn't even know how his bullet would have gotten "out there" if it's his bullet.
"There's no way," Allen says. "There's not. I don't know how the round got there. It's not my round."
"The media is going to portray you as a monster," Holeman says. "There's only one way to get out of this and that's to tell the truth. What happened that day? Are you the mastermind? The truth will set you free."
"That's what I would have thought," Allen says.

"Then tell the truth," Holeman says. "Why did you say 'it's over' during the search warrant?"
"You've talked to people I worked with. You've talked to my neighbors," Allen says. He says he has anxiety and he was stressed.
"The evidence shows you're involved," Holeman says.
"There's no way a round from my gun was anywhere near the girls, the bridge," Allen says. "You're trying to say I murdered two girls. I'm done. The damage is done. Just do what you're going to do."
"I don't think you're the one who killed them," Holeman says. "Are you?"
"Anyone who knows me know I could never do anything like that," Allen says. " I did not murder two little girls. You're trying to convince me to confess to something I didn't do."
"The science doesn't lie," Holeman says.
"It didn't come out of my gun," Allen says. "It didn't come out of my gun. I can't explain it. It didn't come out of my gun."
Holeman says the evidence points to him and that people said they saw him there.
"I'm trying to help you," Holeman says. He then goes to get a technician to swab Allen's mouth for a DNA sample.
"The ball's in your court," Holeman says. "I'm trying to help you. Why does all this evidence point to you."
"I can't tell you," Allen says.
"We have five witnesses that put you out there on the bridge with the girls," Holeman says.
"It didn't happen," Allen says. "They didn't see me around the girls because I wasn't around them. I'm not going to admit to something I didn't do."
"There's nothing you're going to have to implicate me, because I wasn't out there," Allen says. "My cartridge... gun... was not there."
"You're wrong," Holeman says.
"What was my involvement," Allen asks.
"You tell me," Holeman says.
"I don't know how I'm supposed to act like this never happened," Allen says.

"This is the day. This is the time," Holeman says. "This is the time to get out in front of this. You made a mistake."
"I'm not going to admit to something I didn't do," Allen says. "I'm done. If you're going to arrest me, Arrest me. I'm done. I'm not talking anymore. This is ridiculous."
"I think nothing you have is going to show me around the murders of two little girls," Allen says. "I'm not going to do this."
Holeman says for Allen to sit tight. Then he explains how the ISP lab tied the cartridge at the scene to his gun.
Allen says there's "no way a bullet from my gun was found at a murder scene."
Holeman tells him scientists say it is.
"And I'm telling you it didn't happen," Allen says. "I didn't shoot anyone. I've never even pointed a gun at someone. I wasn't there."
"You said you were there," Holeman says.
Allen says he was at the trails, not the murder scene.
"I'm done talking," Allen says. "Arrest me if you're going to arrest me. I'm not going to sit here and tell you I did something I didn't do. The very day they said they wanted to talk to people there that day, I came in."
"You don't believe the evidence?" Holeman asks.
"I don't," Allen says. " I didn't do it. I'm not going to sit here all day. I didn't do it. You obviously think I did."
"I'm not going to tell you I did something I didn't do," Allen says. "I'm not going to tell you I had something to do with this. Arrest me."
"Sad you're doing this," Holeman says.
Holeman tells Allen he lied to his wife for years. He says Allen's depression got worse.
"Mine would too," Holeman says. "If I killed two girls."
Holeman says "we know you have anger issues and depression."
Holeman puts forward the theory that Allen was there and the girls made him angry.

"This is your opportunity," Holeman says.
Allen asks him to please stop giving him opportunities. "I didn't kill two little girls," Allen says.
"What did you do," Holeman asks.
"I went for a walk on the trail," Allen says. "And I went home."
Holeman asks "Do you know Ron Logan?"
"Not that I know of," Allen says.
"The evidence doesn't lie," Holeman says.
"I'm trying to help you," Holeman says. "If you don't want me to help you, I won't."
"Do you believe in science," Holeman asks.
"I believe in science," Allen says. "That bullet did not come from my gun if it was found at the murder scene or on the bridge."
"I'm telling you nay round involved in this did not come from my gone," Allen says.
"I'm telling you you're wrong," Holeman says.
Allen says he carries a gun when fishing or mushroom hunting. "You realize mushrooms don't grow that early," Allen says.
"It is your round," Holeman says. "You can't deny that."
"I didn't have my gun that day," Allen says.
Holeman asks Allen what he wants Holeman to tell the prosecutor.
Allen says " I want you to tell him whatever you want to tell him."
"I'm not lying to you," Holeman says. "Everything I'm telling you is facts. I'm not trying to trick you. I'm not making this up."
Richard Allen says he has told them multiple times it didn't happen.
"I can't lie to you and say this round is yours," Holeman says.
"Not my gun, not my bullet, didn't happen," Allen says.
Holeman walks through the lab results again. "I can't make that up," Holeman says. "I'm not lying to you. That's unethical. This is a certified official document."
"I got all this evidence we can present to a jury of your peers," Holeman says.
"I can't explain to you something I don't understand," Allen says.

"I wish you could," Holeman says.
Holeman leaves the room. At this point, Allen has been in interrogation for an hour. he slumps his head, looking dejected. Allen gets up an goes to the restroom.
When the interrogation resumes, Holeman says "I don't think you're a bad person."
"What kind of person kills two people," Allen asks.
"Good people make bad decisions all the time," Holeman says.
"I can't tell you something I don't know," Allen says. " I didn't murder two girls. I didn't help someone murder two girls. I can't explain something I don't know."
"We'll figure it out," Holeman says, before leaving the room.
Then Allen's wife, Kathy, enters the room and they embrace.
Allen tells Kathy the police have been telling him Kathy believes he did it.
"I can't explain something I don't understand," Allen tells Kathy. "It didn't happen. They really believe I did this."
"I'm not going to say something that's not true," Allen says. "It's not possible a bullet from my gun ended up at a murder scene. I didn't kill anyone. I didn't help somebody kill anyone."
Kathy asks Allen how the bullet got there. It is hard to understand her because she is crying.
"This is what I do know," Allen says. "No bullet from my gun is involved in a murder in any way, shape or form."
Kathy says the police told her that they have witnesses who saw Allen at the scene and know it is him.
"I love you baby," Allen says, before kissing Kathy. "They're not going to get away with this. I'm not going to say something I didn't know. I know you know I would never do this."
"They're going to do what they're going to do," Allen says. He tells Kathy he's sorry she has to go through this.
"They want me to tell them I did it," Allen says. "I don't care what they do to me. I'm not going to admit to something I didn't do."
Kathy asks Allen questions, but they aren't understandable over her crying.
"I can't explain something I have no answer for," Allen says.
He tells Kathy the police want her to tell him she thinks he did it. He says he knows she knows he didn't. Allen says Kathy knows him too well.
Holeman then walks in the room. "Now you're going to drag your wife and daughter through this because you're too (expletive) bullheaded to get out ahead of this," Holeman says.
Allen and Holeman then swear at each other. Allen vehemently denies involvement in front of his wife. He asks if his wife can leave.
"You can't get past this," Holeman says.
Kathy and Allen hug and kiss and then she leaves.
"You're going to pay for what you've done to my wife," Allen says to Holeman. "You want to f*** with me, f*** with me. But you leave my wife out of this. Leave me out of this."
Holeman then screams and swears at Allen. Holeman shouts that Allen murdered the girls.
"If you're going to arrest me, arrest me," Allen says.
"Happy to," Holeman says.
1:45 p.m. - The state's 29th witness is John Galipeau, the former warden of the Westville Correctional Facility where Allen was held in protective custody.
Galipeau testified that Allen was held in a standard 12' by 8' cell. Galipeau said Allen was in an observation cell under suicide watch.
Galipeau said Allen showered three times a week and had three sets of clothing. Galipeau said Allen had access to a tablet to listen to music and order commissary. Galipeau also discussed Allen's rec time and medical attention.
Galipeau said Allen got two face-to-face visits with family.
Galipeau said that when Allen got legal mail, he started acting irrational. Galipeau said Allen would tear up the mail, wash his face in the toilet, defecate in his cell.
Galipeau said he saw Allen regularly.
"Sometimes he would confess to what he did," Galipeau said. "At least twice in person."
Galipeau said Allen also requested an interview to confess.
At this point, the jury was shown a letter from March 5, 2023 that read "I am ready to officially confess to killing Abby and Libby."
According to Galipeau, Allen said he used to work at CVS and disposed of a box cutter used to kill the girls in a dumpster.

2 p.m. - Defense attorney Brad Rozzi began the cross examination.
"Buck stops with you," Rozzi said.
"I hope so," Galipeau said.
Rozzi said the maximum security prison held the worst of the worst, people convicted of murder and rape.
Rozzi described the area where Allen was held as a "prison within a prison" known as "the hole."
Rozzi said that prisoners in suicide watch cells were normally there for just a short time.
Galipeau said yes, and that the only difference in those cells were the bed and the camera. The bed was bolted down a couple of inches from the floor.
Rozzi asked if Allen was the only inmate Galipeau was aware of being held in solitary, suicide watch for more than a year.
Galipeau said he never knew of any safekeeping inmate being placed in this pod before. He said there is no privacy in the cells, the camera is always on and so are the lights.
"Richard Allen for 13 months was isolated," Galipeau said. With no physical or social interactions.
Rozzi said the general population inmates socialize and eat together and move around their dorm freely. But not Allen.
Rozzi pointed out the many rec areas on a map of Westville and asked Galipeau if Allen used them. Galipeau said no to all of them.
Rozzi said the only rec area Allen could use was a 10 to 15' area with 5 walls and a fence over the top. He called it a "cage."
Rozzi said Allen's recreational time was reduced and Allen was clothed in a kimono gown under 24/7 observation.
Galipeau said yes.
Rozzi said that when an inmate is on suicide watch, he is under tighter restrictions. Galipeau said yes.
Rozzi said that Allen was in handcuffs, leg shackles and had a transportation lead with hands in boxes.
Galipeau called the leads a "dog leash."
Galipeau said Allen was treated better than other inmates.
Rozzi asked if Allen's defense team was allowed to bring in their phones.
The state objected on relevance grounds. Rozzi said it was relevant to showing Allen's conditions. Gull sided with the state and sustained the objection.
Rozzi asked if there was ever a time that Allen posed a threat to anyone.
Galipeau said Allen wouldn't move his hands out of the hole in the cell door.
Rozzi said, "So you zapped him with electricity?"
Galipeau said doors need to be secured.
Rozzi then asked about suicide companions. He asked if some had been convicted of dishonesty.
Galipeau said yes.
Rozzi asked if the suicide companions violated the rules and talked to Allen.
Galipeau said yes. He said he did switch them when Allen got legal mail.
Rozzi asked if Galipeau knew what was in the legal mail.
Galipeau said no.
Rozzi asked if there was any documentation of Allen's alleged confessions. He asked if the jury was just supposed to take Galipeau's word.
Galipeau said yes.
Rozzi said that Allen's psychiatrist, Dr. Waller, was in a better position than Galipeau to make conclusions about Richard Allen's mental health.
Galipeau agreed.
Rozzi said that after 13 months, Allen was moved to Wabash Valley Correctional Facility in December 2023.
Galipeau said he didn't know why Allen moved to Wabash Valley.
Rozzi asked if prison can be really hard on someone.
Galipeau said, "It's an adjustment."
Rozzi said especially on mental health.
Galipeau said yes.
Rozzi asked if Galipeau worked at the prison anymore.
Galipeau said, "No, got let go."
The state objected, saying that was outside the scope of re-direct. Rozzi said Galipeau had reason to misrepresent because he violated safety responsibility. Judge Gull sided with the state and sustained the objection.
Galipeau was the center of an ethics investigation over misuse of state property. He had to admit to wrongdoing and pay a $2,700 fine.
In re-direct, Carroll County Prosecutor Nick McLeland asked Galipeau why Allen was on suicide watch.
Galipeau said he didn't know, he was just following an order from Allen's healthcare provider.

2:49 p.m. - The state's 30th witness is Ethan Drang, a correctional officer at Westville Correctional Facility, where Allen was held for 13 months.
Drang said he was on watch duty for Allen when he was put on suicide watch. He said he kept a log of Allen during the day, every 15 minutes.
Log sheets from Drang's time watching Allen were entered as evidence.
A log sheet from April 5, 2023 reads as follows:
  • 8:46 a.m. - I think coming to prison cured my depression and anxiety. Helped him find Bible/god.
  • 9:52 a.m. - Slipped envelope under door. Said he wanted to confess to killing Abby & Libby & apologize to families.
McLeland asked if there was any training for Drang to tell when an inmate was faking a mental illness.
Drang said no.
McLeland asked if Allen had any mental health triggers.
Drang said when he would get on the phone with his wife.
Rozzi said, "So something as subtle as walking in and out of the cell was enough to trigger Allen?"
Drang said yes.
On the top right corner of the note, it says "3-5-23 Galipeau." But according to Drang's log, he didn't receive the note from Allen until April 5, 2023.

3:07 p.m. - The state's 31st witness is Michael Clemons, a correctional officer who served as a suicide watch companion for Allen.
Notes from Clemons' log were entered in as evidence. The notes from April 7, 2023 read as follows:
  • 7:30 a.m. "Offender says 'God I'm so glad no one gave up on me after I killed Abby & Libby'"
  • 8:01 a.m. "Offender says 'I, Richard Matthew Allen, killed Abby & Libby by myself. No one helped me."
  • 8:_ a.m. "Offender says 'I'm not crazy. I'm just acting like I'm crazy."
Clemons said Allen started acting different while at Westville but couldn't say how.

State's 31st witness, Michael Clemons, a Westville correctional officer​

3:17 p.m. - Defense attorney Brad Rozzi performed the redirect with Clemons.
Rozzi asked Clemons if Allen said how he killed (the girls). Clemons said no.
Rozzi said at one point Allen was referring to God. He then showed Clemons' deposition. It referred to the "I'm not crazy. I'm just acting like I'm crazy." In the deposition, Clemons said Allen made the remark to inmates who were harassing Allen. They referred to Allen as a baby killer. Rozzi said that part wasn't in Clemons' log notes.
Clemons said he assumed Allen did not have a mental health issue.
Rozzi asked Clemons if he ever saw Allen banging his head or eating feces in his cell.
Clemons said no.
McLeland asked if Clemons thought Allen's behavior change was genuine.
Clemons said no. Clemons said Allen's behavior went back and forth from acting normal to acting crazy.
Rozzi asked if maybe Allen just "lost it."
Clemons said maybe.
Rozzi said prison can get to an inmate.
Clemons said yes.
Rozzi said, "You said you thought he was not crazy, mentally ill?"
Clemons said yes.
Rozzi asked if Clemons knew Allen was diagnosed with a mental health code, would that change his mind.

Clemons said yes it would.

3:30 p.m. - The state's 32nd witness is Westville correctional officer Michael Roberts. Roberts was assigned as a suicide companion for Allen and logged his activities in real time.
A section from Roberts log was entered as evidence. It is marked April 7, 2023 and reads as follows:
  • 12:34 p.m. - Dear Lord, forgive me for molesting Abby, Libby and Chris. Dear Lord, forgive me for molesting Abby, Libby, Kevin & and Chris. I want to confess. I know a lot more.
A note marked April 13, 2023 reads as follows:
  • 8:15 a.m. - What more do I got to do?
A note marked April 23, 2023 reads as follows:
  • 2:00 p.m. - I killed Abby & Libby. My wife wasn't involved. I want to confess.
A note marked April 26, 2023 reads as follows:
  • Can I talk? Can you listen I killed Abby & Libby? How do I prove I'm insane?
A note marked June 18, 2023 read as follows:
  • 3:30 p.m. - Why are you doing this? Do you know God? Do you know why I'm here? I killed Abby and Libby.
A note marked June 21, 2023 read as follows:

  • Do I make you mad? Did I tell you about my wife? I killed Abby and Libby.
Roberts said Allen was normal, coherent and talkative - if a little scared - when he arrived at Westville. Roberts said after a few months, Allen's behavior changed. Roberts said Allen made it seem like he couldn't hear you and couldn't talk.
Roberts said he saw signs, "outrageous things to make you gasp" of misbehavior and get attention when watching. Roberts said Allen was more acting up than having mental health issues.
Roberts said when Allen talked to the chaplain, he talked about his family.

State's 32nd witness, Michael Roberts, a Westville correctional officer​

3:43 p.m. - Defense attorney Brad Rozzi performed the cross examination.
Rozzi asked if Allen was concerned about his family. Roberts said yes, and that Allen started acting up when his lawyers came.
Rozzi asked if Roberts had any formal mental health training. Roberts said only what the state provided.
Rozzi asked if Roberts kept detailed logs. Roberts said yes.
Rozzi said that Allen started smearing feces all over his cell. Roberts said yes.
Rozzi asked if Roberts called Allen a "pain in the butt." Roberts said Allen made more work.
Rozzi said it's two different things, smearing feces and eating them. He asked Roberts if Allen ate the feces, would that change Roberts' mind about Allen's mental health. Roberts said he would have to observe it himself.
Rozzi asked if inmates yelled names at Allen. If they called Allen a "baby killer" and told him to kill himself. Roberts said yes.
Rozzi said Allen put feces on his face for two hours. Roberts said yes and that he told mental health right away but did not react to it.
Rozzi asked how long someone had to sit with feces on their face for Roberts to consider them crazy?
Rozzi also asked if Allen asked Roberts to read Allen his last rites. Roberts said yes.

Roberts remembers Allen hit his head on the wall for a long time. He said Allen's face was black and blue.
Rozzi said Allen refused food for a long time. Roberts said yes.
Rozzi said that companions were going back to the general population and spreading information about Allen "like wildfire."
Roberts said yes.
Rozzi asked if Allen accepted what happened to him. Roberts said yes.
Rozzi brought up more sections from Roberts' logs.
One excerpt read as follows:
  • 1:15 - Ran in place naked. "I will never again smoke in my life." "God I'm sorry I'm wasting your time." "I'll never cheat on my wife again." Rolling on the ground.
Another excerpt read as follows:
  • April 13, 8:45 - "I swear I never cheated on the cigarette."


The news sources I've quoted and linked keep editing their story so go to the actual page for accuracy.
 
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"A pattern on the body of Delphi, Indiana, murder victim Libby German showed her blood was mixed with moisture, an officer testified at Richard Allen's trial. The officer said he believes that moisture was Libby's tears -- which led family members watching his testimony in the courtroom to audibly react."

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Reepicheep said:
"A pattern on the body of Delphi, Indiana, murder victim Libby German showed her blood was mixed with moisture, an officer testified at Richard Allen's trial. The officer said he believes that moisture was Libby's tears -- which led family members watching his testimony in the courtroom to audibly react."

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Fucks sake. Keep this up, and the jury is going to lynch this fucker.
 
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Day Eleven
Nancy Grace was in the courtroom today.
Witnesses called
Dr Monica Wala, psychologist, redditard
Brad Weber, Delphi resident

Defense again requested to be allowed to discus Odinism/pagan ritual stuff.



Something about this is very "off."
Richard Allen confesses, acts mentally ill, the doctor thinks it's fake but still prescribes antipsychotic medications (which can do a lot of damage to a non-crazy brain) The doctor is a true crime fanatic and was active in online discussions of this very case and would have seen all the details of the crime scene that have been floating around since the beginning. She was fired because she was leaking info to the public.
This shit's worse than a made-for-TV movie. smh

I still think there's some Odinist stuff going on because those limbs and that mark on the tree were just too deliberate. Maybe Richard Allen dabbled in it and afterward regretted, thus all the bible reading? Maybe he wanted to try blaming the murders on the local crime gang that uses those symbols? Perhaps he wasn't alone out there? Hopefully we find out.
 
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I'm sorry, but WHAT?!?

This is like something from a shitty thriller paperback. Is the idea she was alive and crying into her own blood as she bled out? That there were leftover tears?

This is a weird thing to say.
 
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The Judean People's Front said:
I'm sorry, but WHAT?!?

This is like something from a shitty thriller paperback. Is the idea she was alive and crying into her own blood as she bled out? That there were leftover tears?

This is a weird thing to say.
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The officer was later reported to have pulled his hat down slightly covering his face as he left the court room. As he walked into the rain outside he looked up into the sky. Witnesses unsure if it was streaks of rainwater on his cheeks or his tears.
 
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Day Thirteen
Witnesses called
Christopher Gootee, Hammond Indiana police
Dr. Deanna Dwenger, Department of Behavioral Health at Indiana Department of Corrections
Max Baker, defense intern
Brad Heath, Delphi resident
David McCain, Delphi resident
Darrell Sterrett, former Delphi fire chief


Once again Judge Gull says NO ODINISM, NO NORSE PAGANISM, NO TALK OF RITUAL KILLINGS!

Day Fourteen
Witnesses called
Max Baker, defense intern
Doug Carter, ISP superintendent

Jury watched some videos of Richard Allen behaving badly while in Westville Correctional facility.
Doug Carter said that other agencies were helping with the case, like nearby police forces, ATF, FBI, Homeland Security. FBI stopped being involved August 2021. (shortly after Greg Ferency's weird death that totally could have in no way had anything to do with Delphi ever you crazy conspiracy idiots! https://archive.ph/2tr3E)



I still question why, if Richard Allen was thought to be faking his crazy, the doctors prescribed Haldol. Antipsychotics like that rewrite the brain's software, so if a person wasn't crazy to begin with they certainly would have problems afterwards. Seems that if they just wanted him to calm down there would be better options.
 
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This case was fucked from the beginning and will continue to be fucked until the bitter end. Police were clueless about well....everything. Calling off the search for two missing girls after a few hours searching? Brilliant. Tobe gave bad vibes plus that stupid mustache. Carter was too damn twitchy and the judge has only a passing acquaintance with objectivity.

I have no idea who killed the girls; teenagers are as likely as Odinists. If they wanted to just pick some dude out of the community to pin it on they would have done better to choose Pat Brown—that boy is sus af.
 
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Satanic murder is real and anyone who calls it a "panic" is just repeating their programming like a good NPC.
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List 5 separate examples then.

Ideally ones that are actually satanic cults and not edgy fags like Richard Ramirez.

Here, I'll give you one of the only arguably real examples as a head start. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripper_Crew
 
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Day Fifteen
Witnesses called-
Dr. Polly Westcott, forensic psychologist
Max Baker, defense intern
Brad Weber, Delphi resident
Shelby Hicks, was on the bridge Feb. 13, 2017
Steve Mullin, former Delphi police chief
Jaimie Jones, Richard Allen's half sister
Brittney Zapanta, Richard Allen's daughter


 
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Day Sixteen
Witnesses called-
Betsey Blair, witness who was at the trails Feb. 13, 2017
Dr. Stuart Grassian, psychiatrist specializing in solitary confinement, false memories/confessions
Dr. Eric Warren, forensic firearms specialist
Stacy Eldridge, formerly FBI, specialist in digital forensics


 
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So what say you, Kiwi Fam ? Guilty or not guilty?

I still have no idea who killed those girls. There’s still lots of reasonable doubt to go around. Seems they just got sick of this case still being open and so nicked Rick. The evidence against him is darn near non existent. Alternative possibilities are skimmed over or totally ignored....Eye witnesses, time-lines (good god the timeline) , psychotic confessions.

I gotta vote not guilty and it totally pisses me off cause I’ve followed this grotesque case since 2017 and I was HAPPY when they finally caught the bastard.. And now it doesn’t look like they HAVE caught the bastard...because the powers that be in Delphi IN are fucking retarded at best......dammit.
 
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So what say you, Kiwi Fam ? Guilty or not guilty?

I still have no idea who killed those girls. There’s still lots of reasonable doubt to go around. Seems they just got sick of this case still being open and so nicked Rick. The evidence against him is darn near non existent. Alternative possibilities are skimmed over or totally ignored....Eye witnesses, time-lines (good god the timeline) , psychotic confessions.

I gotta vote not guilty and it totally pisses me off cause I’ve followed this grotesque case since 2017 and I was HAPPY when they finally caught the bastard.. And now it doesn’t look like they HAVE caught the bastard...because the powers that be in Delphi IN are fucking retarded at best......dammit.
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I would vote not guilty. The case seems a bit odd, like they are trying to frame him.
 
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So what say you, Kiwi Fam ? Guilty or not guilty?
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I think there's reasonable doubt, so I would have to say not guilty.

Still think there's a lot more to this case than just, some guy decided to do a murder out of the blue and make the crime scene look like that. The way this was handled we may never know for sure what actually happened and who was involved.
 
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The crime scene photos have leaked (again). They first leaked a few years ago to the murder sheet podcast. I don’t know if these are the same ones or what the source is. I found this blog via a schizo poster on Facebook.

Warning: these links contain crime scene images of the deceased victims, including a censored image of a nude victim.

Blog: https://justiceforjonbenetramsey.bl...zIIggfSrs-upDw_aem_vssFcLVlgovPEjuibojqfA&m=1

Archive: https://archive.ph/wip/DHdsc

I hesitate to host the pictures here locally since one of the victims is undressed and underage. If a moderator sees this please let me know site policy for this specific content.
 
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