Police to announce arrest in Delphi murders Monday, suspect identified - 10/31 10am Eastern (Links)

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DELPHI, Ind. (WLS) -- Indiana State Police are expected to release more details Monday morning about an arrest in the 2017 murder of two girls in Delphi

Police are expected to name the suspect during a news conference in Delphi at 9 a.m. Central Time.

Residents told ABC7 they've interacted with the suspect multiple times and said the individual reportedly worked at a local pharmacy.

Sources tell ABC's Indianapolis affiliate a person has been arrested in connection with the murders.

"The state police never really discussed details on what was found at the scene, but the belief all along is that there was at least some sort of genetic material," Brad Garrett, ABC News contributor and former FBI agent. "Clearly they have something that links him to the crime."

The case has been shrouded in mystery since February 2017 when 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German seemingly disappeared after going for a hike. Their bodies were found the next day.

"How did this come to light almost five years after this crime was committed?" Garret said. "Something broke in recent days, at least to the point that it gave them enough probable cause and evidence to arrest this new person."

The girls' killer was able to avoid capture, even with thousands of tips coming in to police and despite one of the teens, Libby, taking this grainy video the day of their disappearance showing a man walking towards the girls.

Authorities have said he may be the killer. Libby also captured a chilling recording, thought to be the man's voice.


Libby's family reacted to the update expected later Monday. Her sister Kelsi tweeted, "just know how grateful I am for all of you."

Just know how grateful I am for all of you. No comments for now, any questions please refer to the Carroll county prosecutors office. There is tentatively a press conference Monday at 10am. We will say more then. Today is the day%uD83D%uDC9C
%u2014 Kelsi German (@libertyg_sister) October 28, 2022
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marjoram said:
Sentencing is December 20 I believe.

I dunno guys....I just don’t know

Course, we’ll be right back here before too long. Multiple grounds for appeal. Unfortunately it’ll be Gull again unless she recuses herself. (Fat chance)
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I’m not going to say there’s a zero percent chance he did this, but I will say I don’t think they proved him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. There’s way too much emotion and high pressure in this case for there to be a completely fair trial, imo. Combine that with the judge and it’s a nightmare all around
 
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Give me a tl;dr for why this guy didn't do it besides the Odin shit.
 
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Oniichan's Big Toe said:
I’m not going to say there’s a zero percent chance he did this, but I will say I don’t think they proved him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Richard Allen confessed to police multiple times. Confessed to his wife multiple times. Confessed to his mother repeatedly. Admitted his guilt to multiple prison employees and psychiatrists. Almost all of his confessions were recorded as well. Without another guilty party being proved, beyond any doubt, this guy was going to be found guilty and tried alone for this.
 
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Burd Turglar said:
Give me a tl;dr for why this guy didn't do it besides the Odin shit.
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Tall order but i'll make a few points. I think Allen is probably guilty but absolutely positive the investigation was complete, utter, embarrassing amateur shit

Issues with initial investigation
- did not take girls temp when they were found so estimated time of death is more or less conjecture
- did not collect sufficient evidence at scene eg did swab but did not clip the girls fingernails
- did not collect the sticks that were on their bodies until later that week

issues with interviews
- something like 70 hours of the initial interviews were erased and never recovered
- dulin lost his notes from his initial interview with allen
- duline misfiled the tip on allen and it was marked as "cleared". (this error was not discovered for five years until a volunteer found the tip after filing 14,000 other tips)

issues with witnesses
- weber initially said he did not get home til 3:30 and iirc maintained that for years. the only way to get his testimony to line up with the state's timeline was to have his van scare allen at 2:30
- the psychologist to whom allen allegedly confessed was inappropriately accessing the IDOC database and posting about allen on facebook groups and forums, which is a huge breach of ethics. i think she ended up being fired from her state job over this, cant remember there's too much shit in this case
- the witness who described seeing a man as muddy/bloody allegedly did not mention he was bloody until her third interview. she claims she stated bloody in her first two interviews but there's no way to know since the recordings were erased by the idiot cops.

issues with press conferences
- doug carter publicly inferred multiple people were involved. likely because there was no evidence the girls were restrained

issues with possible violation of Allen's rights
- allen was kept under protective custody but the conditions were effectively solitary confinement which has huge implications for his mental health before his alleged confessions
- allen was given the antipsychotic drug haldol, allegedly against his will, which can cause many side effects including hallucinations

issues with ballistics
- could only show the markings matched allen's gun if they fired the gun instead of just ejecting an unspent round
- could only prove the gun was likely cycled through a sig sauer but couldn't prove it was his specific gun iirc
- half the delphi cops carry sig sauers

issues with medical examiner
- medical examiner initially suspected 2 kinds of knives including a serrated blade
- amended it to box cutters after allen's alleged confessions

thats just the stuff off the top of my head since you wanted it short. there's a lot more garbage in that shit heap. i'll probably add more later. no promises anything i said was right there's just a lot of shit to try to remember.
 
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The states timeline is beyond tight. What did they say—the crime was 19 minutes from start to finish? Something stupid short like that.

That means in approximately 19ish minutes he approached the girls and got them “down the hill” and to where ever, makes the girls undress, gets spooked by a van, they all cross the creek-the girls naked—go up the bank to the kill spot, redressed Abby in Libby’s clothes (that we’re still soaked when they were found the next day), killed them, posed them how he wanted ( Abby like the tarot card the hanged man, Libby like the magician), set up all the sticks, and finally buggered off in his muddy bloody clothing.

Little 5’4” Rick is pretty quick.
 
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marjoram said:
The states timeline is beyond tight. What did they say—the crime was 19 minutes from start to finish? Something stupid short like that.

That means in approximately 19ish minutes he approached the girls and got them “down the hill” and to where ever, makes the girls undress, gets spooked by a van, they all cross the creek-the girls naked—go up the bank to the kill spot, redressed Abby in Libby’s clothes (that we’re still soaked when they were found the next day), killed them, posed them how he wanted ( Abby like the tarot card the hanged man, Libby like the magician), set up all the sticks, and finally buggered off in his muddy bloody clothing.

Little 5’4” Rick is pretty quick.
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The only reason I believe it possibly/probably could have been him is that I do believe the manlet from the bridge video is indeed the same manlet who killed the girls. And based on his clothing and presence I do believe that Allen is our man(let).

Aside, Gull is a complete clown.
 
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TheHarbinger said:
Richard Allen confessed to police multiple times. Confessed to his wife multiple times. Confessed to his mother repeatedly. Admitted his guilt to multiple prison employees and psychiatrists. Almost all of his confessions were recorded as well. Without another guilty party being proved, beyond any doubt, this guy was going to be found guilty and tried alone for this.
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It’s true he did confess a thousand times to the murders, but he also confessed to molesting his daughter and his sister who both said it wasn’t true. Who in their right mind would on top of admitting to murdering two teenage girls in the most gruesome way imaginable, also go ahead and admit he molested those women? So the jury can see him as even more of a monster?

Again I’m not saying he didn’t do it, I just think there’s way too many what ifs and things that were hidden from the jury to make this such an open and shut case.
 
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TheHarbinger said:
Richard Allen confessed to police multiple times. Confessed to his wife multiple times. Confessed to his mother repeatedly. Admitted his guilt to multiple prison employees and psychiatrists. Almost all of his confessions were recorded as well. Without another guilty party being proved, beyond any doubt, this guy was going to be found guilty and tried alone for this.
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People have been confessing to things they didn't do since people developed language. It's more likely in consequence of extended solitary confinement and mind fucking drugs as happened here. As others have pointed out Allen himself is documented as having made other confessions known to be false.

So far as introducing evidence of a third party perpetrator the Judge (Gull) refused to allow that to be entered into evidence. She also specifically excluded evidence such as sketches and early reports inconsistent with Allen's guilt. Incidentally Gull is the one who refused to accept the horror of Allen's detention conditions and fucked over his counsel when they tried to push it only to have the replacement counsel she appointed confirm those conditions and have her counsel fucking overturned on appeal.

I don't know if Allen did it. I do know he had nothing approaching a fair trial and Gull is unfit to be a judge.
 
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I followed this case closely for a while but recently lost interest. No idea why but I do know that the more I started hearing about the “evidence” the more concerned I was that they really didn’t have a strong case. Reading through this thread it doesn’t sound like that actually changed.

The thing that’s always bothered me is how a man, at 40-something years old with zero evidence of previous crimes, even minor, just up and murders two girls in a public park. Not saying it’s not possible, I just feel like there is someone getting away with involvement at the very least.
 
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Police "lost" a bunch of interviews by recording over them.

The lady that did the lie detector tests on some of the suspects died in a fire.

An FBI agent working on the Odinist angle of the case was shot and killed in a very nasty way.

The judge (who was the second judge on this case as the first one looked it over and quit) wouldn't allow anything about the local crime gangs or pagan religions into evidence.

Ron Logan, who owned the land where the girls were found, was being looked at for the crime and wasn't treated very nicely while he was in jail for a probation violation. He died in 2022.

However I've heard that a few people who heard the recordings of Richard Allen have said he does in fact sound like Bridge Guy.
Maybe he did do the whole thing all by himself. Can he at least say why the branches were arranged on the bodies like that? Was he dabbling in Asatru? Trying to impress the local thugs? Come on, I need an answer to this!
 
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Loading him up with powerful antipsychotics and keeping him in solitary confinement are two huge red flags. I have no idea if he actually did it or not but they had to find some nigga to be guilty of the murders and I guess it had to be this mope. Feels like them jamming a square peg into a round hole to me.
 
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Yeah, what’s the quote? Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity....or something like that.

Allen also confessed to shooting the girls in the back and burying them in a shallow grave. Prosecution just cherry picked what fit their narrative and ignored the rest. I imagine the folks on the jury will be quite surprised about how much information was kept from them.
 
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So the FBI detective who was working on the Delphi case but then was killed? Greg Ferency?
The guy arrested for the murder, Shane Meehan, was found incompetent to stand trial.

Greg Ferrency knew a lot of stuff about Those Who Are Not Allowed To Be Mentioned In Court.
Video from All Eyes talked about it a bit
 
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Point and Laugh said:
The thing that’s always bothered me is how a man, at 40-something years old with zero evidence of previous crimes, even minor, just up and murders two girls in a public park. Not saying it’s not possible, I just feel like there is someone getting away with involvement at the very least.
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It's far from the first time this sort of thing has happened. Conspiratards for this case are just the same as West Memphis Three Truthers. You don't need to be afraid that people will think normal guys like you are torture-murder rapists. No one thinks that unless they see a video of you torture-murder-raping a kid.
 
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It’s true he did confess a thousand times to the murders, but he also confessed to molesting his daughter and his sister who both said it wasn’t true. Who in their right mind would on top of admitting to murdering two teenage girls in the most gruesome way imaginable, also go ahead and admit he molested those women? So the jury can see him as even more of a monster?

Again I’m not saying he didn’t do it, I just think there’s way too many what ifs and things that were hidden from the jury to make this such an open and shut case.
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Well, I've done some digging and found this utterly crazy case from Germany where an ENTIRE family confessed to having murdered their husband/father, afterwards dismembering him and feeding him to some dogs or something. By random chance,the intact body was found behind the steering wheel of his car, submerged in a river.


Or this case here, on Iceland (!!!)-several innocent people confessing to the murders of people they did not even know:


Oh, and the case of Ms. Lucio from my own state-who was just two days (!) shy of being executed for the alleged murder of her daughter. She had also, sort of, confessed (after several hours of being railroaded). The trial judge has recently released a statement of "actual innocence". Without a widespread campaign (after a French filmmaket had released a documentary covering her case) she would be dead.


In short-Not saying he is innocent, just that even repeated confessions should be taken with a grain of salt.
 
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