Poll: Do you want sticker notifications back? - Not the score, just the notifications.

[eatler]

You should never post again, that would really show null

Counter offer I become an A&N nigger!

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/andro...s-for-the-billionth-time.186020/post-17925431

“I find it sad that you opt to engage with the low quality posts, but it's your forum, your choice what to read, what to respond to, what to allow. I simply wish you had allowed users a choice on the notifications as well.”

Yeah I’m also a bit upset with this too, I even mentioned something to slav when he was in here about how they wonder why people devolve into one word replies and calling them niggers and shit when they ignore the genuine posts. Also they’re still looking a gift horse in the mouth because at least the sticker bitching has mostly been contained to one thread.

 

[Keith Kunt]

Sorry Null. I had no fucking idea what a monster this thread would become. Like I said in the OP, however people feel you are the b0ss. I'd lock this if I could.

 

[eatler]

Sorry Null. I had no fucking idea what a monster this thread would become. Like I said in the OP, however people feel you are the b0ss. I'd lock this if I could.

I still don’t really see what the problem is it’s contained in one thread, you don’t have to look here if you don’t want. Also we did have decent conversations here not just about stickers.

 

[Spud]

become an A&N nigger!

I'm doing my part

 

[Keith Kunt]

I still don’t really see what the problem is it’s contained in one thread

It's stressing him out and that's the last thing I want. I expected the poll to get maybe 20 votes and the thread to go to 3 pages tops, and I had no idea which way the poll would actually go. Instead it's being used as some "everyone is against you" cudgel to beat him with - which let me add I'm sure isn't the case. I'd bet 99% of people who voted yes to stickers are not hostile to Null and still love the site regardless.

 

[eatler]

It's stressing him out and that's the last thing I want

I wonder if it’s really stressing him out or if he’s just trolling people, he does like making people mati over stupid shit. Maybe it’s a good way for him to get some stress release (I’m only guessing because he comments on the worst posts and unintentionally/intentionally re-lights the fire again)

Sorry your shitpost got taken seriously though, you received the SHO Android raptor hate thread curse where people don’t really know how you operate and that you mostly make shitposts. We have fun with you in Q&A.

I'd bet 99% of people who voted yes to stickers are not hostile to Null and still love the site regardless.

Also yes this is very much true, I think most of the hostile ones were banned by now.

 

[Lidl Drip]

I still don’t really see what the problem is it’s contained in one thread, you don’t have to look here if you don’t want. Also we did have decent conversations here not just about stickers.

It's not really contained in one thread tho, people cried about it in Q&A too and made like 50 threads about it and in the Mad at the Internet thread and in the Tech support threads and in Mass Debates and I assume to Null personally too from what he said.

 

[eatler]

It's not really contained in one thread tho, people cried about it in Q&A too and made like 50 threads about it and in the Mad at the Internet thread and in the Tech support threads and I assume to Null personally too from what he said.

That was like day 1 and most of them were shitposts too, like really do you believe anything that comes out of the Q&A circle jerk, the best circle jerk?

Tec support was believable though that I agree was too far.

 

[Netizennameless]

And then people built their entire usage of the forum around these random alerts that have no meaning or intrinsic value.

This is the core problem Null. It has no value TO YOU but it clearly does to at least 900 of your users. Some of those users donated for T&H and others to your legal fund. On top of that, there are more users who agree with the poll privately but that agree with you publicly out of fear of how you might react. Some of them literally changed their vote after you joined the thread.

Random antagonizing of specific users for no apparent reason

You allow and encourage this on your site until it happens to a target you like. You personally set the example that others follow, whether you realize you're doing it or not.

deliberately misconstruing what I've said to try and epicly own me.

This is utter hypocrisy. You are doing the exact same thing to your users. This whole thing started because of you asking why people use DM chains instead of posting in the open, and you took one shitpost and twisted it into an argument about stickers. You repeat "stickers! notifications!" so much that the argument has been completely derailed. Every time you call your users dopamine addicts for not wanting their site experience fucked with, you encourage more people to shitpost. When you tell people they are faggots for caring about stickers, you are encouraging people to shitpost. When you let HHH derail threads and say nothing but then sperg at other users for behaving the same way, you encourage people to shitpost. (I like HHH personally, he's a good barometer of when it's time to laugh and calm down).

The bottom line is you have to lead by example if you want people to not resent your leadership choices. You have not done that. The worst elements of this site behave exactly the same way as you do when you are angry. You just don't like being the target.

With all that said, the load on the database that stores all these notifications is by far the best justification for shitcanning the feature. I just can't agree with that argument from you because you accidentally discovered it.

 

[vomitusdeux]

It's not really contained in one thread tho, people cried about it in Q&A too and made like 50 threads about it and in the Mad at the Internet thread and in the Tech support threads and in Mass Debates and I assume to Null personally too from what he said.

IF IT GETS MY PRECIOUS PIXEL STICKER GOOD JOB NOTIFICATION BACK I WILL MAKE 150 THOUSAND THREADS.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

The only thing a poll would serve to do is add fuel to a fire that has been genuinely disgusting and gay to me since the second it happened.

This started with a furry ERP DM chain.

baseless speculation on ulterior motives,

You told us why you did it. Tiny hats and trashcans hurting users' feefees.

Funny you mention that. Someone specifically pointed out to me that the site has been running better than ever this week and wondered aloud to me if that may be due to the reaction notifications being disabled.

Sneedchat was regularly killing the site for, what 6 months, and you repeatedly refused to move it off the main pages because you enjoyed something about the site with no intrinsic value. Isn't that fascinating?

 

[Netizennameless]

It's not really contained in one thread tho, people cried about it in Q&A too and made like 50 threads about it and in the Mad at the Internet thread and in the Tech support threads and in Mass Debates and I assume to Null personally too from what he said.

It's almost like more users than just in this thread care about the change...

 

[Persian Carpet Salesman]

This kind of sperging happens on literally every website whenever a minor change occurs that people aren't too keen on, I"m shocked that on this website of all places anyone is surprised at all.

 

[Null]

You told us why you did it. Tiny hats and trashcans hurting users' feefees.

No, that is how you interpreted "don't feel safe" to mean. I guess, if you're particularly mentally inflexible, the word 'safe' has a meaning to it that is politically charged.

My interest was in flushing DM chats out into the main forum where they belong. I asked why people preferred DM chains. I got responses from several users that indicated two things: (1) they don't want to be doxxxed, which I've discussed earlier and have no remedy for, and (2) they don't like their casual conversations contributing to their reaction scores.

It's not that they literally "don't feel safe", or that their "feelings are hurt", it's that there is a subtle psychological pressure conditioning people into using the site in a way that is counterproductive. This is very reddit-like. You have a running tally that is your score, and since your score is present on the front page and on your user card visible to everyone, there is some expectation (regardless of what I've done to undermine this) that the reaction score is meaningful. In other words, users don't feel safe to post because it could harm their reaction score, which may sound (and is) stupid, but when it's literally the only prominent feature of your profile besides your username and post count, I can understand it.

The reaction score trained users to use the site wrong - to avoid posting. This is identical to the issue of the reaction notifications training users to use the site wrong - by clicking random notifications to navigate the site. Hence, I am in a zugzwang. I either leave this weird meta game as it is and permit it to continue to negatively influence users as it has, or I remove it and deal with the unending howling of severely autistic people who are afraid of change.

I feel it's better to remove it because to leave it up continues to train people to use the reaction notifications as their primary locomotive for navigating the site, which is apparently more detrimental than the original issue to begin with.

It has no value TO YOU but it clearly does to at least 900 of your users

If you told me eating shit meant a lot to 900 people I also would not care or use this information to feed people more shit. You're just going to have to deal with it. It is not coming back.

 

[Lidl Drip]

It's almost like more users than just in this thread care about the change...

No they are the same people that also whine in this thread.

 

[Netizennameless]

The reaction score trained users to use the site wrong - to avoid posting. This is identical to the issue of the reaction notifications training users to use the site wrong - by clicking random notifications to navigate the site.

I don't see the connection between navigation style and avoiding posting. I am fine with killing the reaction score because of how it trains users to behave. That makes sense. But I don't accept a webmaster telling people how to browse the site. There is no right or wrong way. Whichever way a particular user finds easiest is the best for them. It's basic UX principle that the USER determines what is and isn't a good user experience. A ton of the users in this poll are stuck on the above issue and none of the others.

With that said, I appreciate you expanding on the "feel safe to post" comment. It is a lot more reasonable to me now.

 

[Null]

It's basic UX principle that the USER determines what is and isn't a good user experience. A ton of the users in this poll are stuck on the above issue and none of the others.

If the user experience favors (once again, let me save this to a fucking notepad or something) a completely arbitrary and random sequence of notifications about users liking any of your posts in any thread at any time regardless of what other events have transpired in that thread since you made that post, the design is broken. It is fundamentally fucking broken and it has encouraged people to use it wrong. If something is built to be used one way and people prefer clicking random fucking links flowing into your alert tray at complete random, then it is broken.

I guess I need to take a class on how to explain things without pissing people off because there is no way you a rational person can sit down and independently come to the conclusion that this "user flow" is what is the most correct and ideal way to use the fucking site, and that the absolute best way to find posts to read and threads to participate in is a random flood of notifications about random fucking button presses on random fucking posts at all times of the day.

So lets UNPACK THIS and CONSIDER IT IN A NEW LIGHT. It's not you, humble user, enjoyer of forums, using the site wrong, it is I and my website and in particular XenForo which is wrong and has forced you, the innocent victim of circumstance, to do things in a weird and less than ideal way, to try and figure out this sick, twisted UX thrust upon you. How can I, humble servant, make literally anything else more desirable so you can STOP IT? What can I, mere shitstirrer who only exists to improve your UX, do to help you enjoy the site EVEN MORE and in better ways???

 

[Oxyjen]

This is identical to the issue of the reaction notifications training users to use the site wrong - by clicking random notifications to navigate the site.

Thanks for clarifying (again), and again I’m not convinced the DM people will be any happier now, but I understand it being a tipping point to get rid of the score.

But how was it detrimental to have some people using the notification list “wrongly”. Like what harm does that actually do? Aside from the dopamine argument.

Edit: sigh, never mind.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

No, that is how you interpreted "don't feel safe" to mean. I guess, if you're particularly mentally inflexible, the word 'safe' has a meaning to it that is politically charged.

I will 100% admit to getting mule-headed at times. My problem the word safe is

1. This site not a safe place and I do not mean that in the politically charged sense.
2. Any change that makes users feel safe about posting, publicly or in DMs, is doing them a disservice

In other words, users don't feel safe to post because it could harm their reaction score, which may sound (and is) stupid, but when it's literally the only prominent feature of your profile besides your username and post count, I can understand it.

The only reaction scores I have ever cared about are the triple digit negative ones. That used to be the easiest way to ID the habitual shit-stirrers and retards. The pink triangles do same job better, but and negative reaction scores are still visible. Sticker notifications were a way to interact with users without posting. You clam this an improper use of the site, but I know you can't go into any high traffic thread and tell me more than 50% of the posts are worth reading.

 

[Lurker]