Feedback Poll: Self-Promotion

[Ralph Barnhardt]

While I am concerned about advertiser encroachment and drive by schilling, I think the pro side edges out the con. If their product sucks and/or they're an asshole, we can call them a faggot and archive that they were here which should become an albatross around their neck. However, I don't see that working too well with really shady people. I still think it's something worth trying out.

 

[PetiteFeet]

Create a board - charge a fee. Remove all promotion from other boards. The fee makes them think twice before posting low effort, trolling promotions.

I can get on board with this. Papa null gets some money for the site/his cheese eating habits, genuine creators get a chance at finding a niche audience (us).
At the same time I also think allowing people to advertise on the farms opens the doors for potential lolcows willingly, openly sharing their autistic ideas rather than cow-watchers having to find them in the wild. Whether or not this takes some of the fun away I do not know.

 

[Dizzyuntildeath]

People that know the reputation of the site and the owner and willingly take the risk upon themselves to attach themselves and their business venture to the site will only legitimize the site further.

The path to being the best place to expose psychopathic sexually deviant pedophile rapist transgendered monsters is littered with corpses, both enemies and allies.

 

[CrunkLord420]

I'm creating LE CULTURE over here, not selling G-Fuel. You can't even show my cuntent on most platforms without selectively censoring it. The license itself legally requires you to host the word "nigger" on your webzone.

For some LE AURTISTS can only exist on the chudwebz. /ourguys/ should be celebrated because it is /ourkultur/, meanwhile all other culture is fake, gay and reddit (just as globohomo demands).

Giving people money is lame and leads to consumerism (also lame). I want stuff for free, right now. No I will not pay money for it. No I will not view your ads. You have to actually stop me in some tangible way, and you won't because you can't. Why do you even want my money? So you can do a print run of a comic? Bruh it's whatever year, just upload a PDF. The only ethical currency Kiwi Farms has is eyeballs, to make your existence known. Is your cuntent worthy of that attention? Do you represent the True & Honest Culture™?

"Self-Promoters" must give back more than they take, and the grift potential must be limited. The worthiness of these people will be self-evident.

 

[Aiōn]

I think with some safeguards in place like T&H it could work. Pink triangle users should also lose their privileges.

 

[I glow in the dark]

Personally, I don't see a great reason against it, just don't get passed off at us because you willingly chose to self-promote on Kiwi Farms of all places.

 

[repentance]

Maybe allow a thread or board where users are allowed to shill their own projects companies, business, only rule is that you yourself is part of the project and that the link is not a link with referral code?

Then all can be there.

Yep. Allow them to link it from other relevant threads and ban them from any threads where they're spamming.

Have some guidelines. I think no affiliate links and the requirement that they must be personally involved in the project are a good start. Maybe we could ask for a modest donation, too.

I think a time limited trial run is a good starting point.

 

[Squawking Macaw]

Wary of advertising in any way/shape/form. It has a corrupting effect and has proven difficult to contain. This proposal nudges the door open with promises of containment. Isn't the door better left shut?

I voted No, unless self-promoting gets its' own thread. I see it as a slippery slope. Relevant thread part is what worries me. I enjoy Cooking threads, but I don't want to buy a cookbook. I just see it becoming over time hard to have a conversation or discussion when you don't know if the other person is just trying to sell you something or not.

I share the same sentiment. Advertising has to be very carefully moderated to avoid the slippery slope. Many a webspace that used to be ad-free started slowly allowing more and more ads until they became nigh-unusable. Some subreddits like r/gamedev are extremely hostile to self-promos because if allowed to, they will take over and drown out any other topic.

 

[RodgerDodger]

As you say it is a sign of legitimacy that we are a desirable market segment.

I would say allow it. But put some basic guidelines in place. You can post your campaign project or product once or twice. Or some time separation between posts. Not conduct an ongoing marketing campaign or spaming people. And broadcast dm's will see the user fed to rabid troons.

 

[Xev]

I guess it just depends if the entertainment potential outweighs the annoyance potential. Some of these thirsty fucks could end up becoming surprise cows and kiwi farmers seem to love fresh milk.

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

The fact that it took 11 years for this to happen for the first time suggests you probably don't need to give a fuck about creating rules to address this highly unlikely potential situation. For most people advertising any of their own commercial projects here is akin to setting themselves on fire and the shitty comic kickstarter was pretty funny. If somehow this becomes a popular kiwi pastime you can always change the rules and ban it later.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Only read highlights so perhaps late, but, that American Thinker guy has been doing this for years and getting away with it because he thinks he's being sly but everyone feels too awkward to tell him he's being obvious.

 

[Day of the Cope]

I'm going to vote no, unless the self-promotion is from someone who's shown to be an active member and posts. If someone makes an account purely to shill something, they can and should be banned. However, if someone who's been around and posts on the forum wants to showcase a project they're working on, I have no issue with that.

 

[Minus One]

So um, where's the kickstarter? I wanna see.

 

[TismFarmer]

If they want to attach their real life to their Farms account, I don't care.
As long as they're not spamming or annoying/obnoxious

 

[Edict of Expulsion]

We need alternatives.

Especially in kiked nigger faggot contend opposition clown world.
We need a strong parallel economy.

If you care so much as to be involved you will know a hell of a lot about the problem, problems, what needs addressing or solving, and ways to solve it.

I’m absolutely for this.

It would be incredible to even feature based projects. Maybe in a separate space but it is front-page worthy.
Highly-curated sponsorships perhaps.

 

[Phillip Green]

As much as Internet forums in general are dying, they remain a pretty critical outreach for niche hobby communities. Scenes like miniatures/model making (outside of 40k), retro gaming, blacksmithing, etc... all have small enough markets that word of mouth remains the main way small creators/manufacturers can advertise their products, and for hobbyists to discover them.

As long as self-promotion is thread-relevant and non-spammy (mods will know it when they see it), I say allow it. If it adds enough of a mod burden to be a problem you could create self-promotion containment threads, but that doesn't seem like something to worry about in the short term. However, maybe certain forums/threads should be proactively designated shill-free?

 

[Lolek]

I fully support self promotion, but only where I would expect it, that is, in a dedicated place. Interested in people's shilling? Go to X board/thread. Otherwise you never know when you cross the line of being too spammy.

 

[zyclonPD]

actually participating in a relevant thread and then saying you're making an alternative that you're selling

I think it would be alright. I would maybe warn against it if its something that could self dox as a result of the sale like shipping a product from your home address to another farmer but that's a risk people will have to take on their own.

I also see a difference in advertising and self promotion. If @Dupree is promoting their artwork for people to commission more from them is a big difference than a marketing school graduate making a Pepsi ad that gets force ably played on the screen at the gas pump while you pump gas.

Just my thoughts.

 

[whatever I feel like]

Voted allow "come what may" aka we're all gonna shit on it.