Post Ratings Discussion

[Watcher]

I understand not showing who rated your post, but can we get an alert for when we receive a new rating just like with the likes system? It could be anonymous and just say "Someone rated your post: XX" and provide a link to it

 

[Null]

Some changes:

- The "A-Log" rating is restricted to Chris & Lolcow forums/subforums.
- You no longer receive notifications about having your posts rated.
- Rating a post does not stream that to your news feed.

The intent of these changes are to allow people to anonymously vote negative things. The only time your ratings are visible to non-staff is on your profile, as the form of anonymous counter. If you fling "A-Log" on everything, it'll show up there, but it won't list which posts.

 

[Null]

I understand not showing who rated your post, but can we get an alert for when we receive a new rating just like with the likes system? It could be anonymous and just say "Someone rated your post: XX" and provide a link to it

I agree that the notifications were helpful. I'll see.

 

[Foulmouth]

This new system confuses me, I hate it.
Change sucks.
Imma just mark everything Autistic.

 

[Glaive]

Glaive's Overly Deep Analysis of New Post Ratings

This new post rating system is going to have an interesting effect on a user's likes. With so many new buttons the overall amount of all powerful "likes" which a post receives is going to drop significantly as people distribute their post ratings among the new positive options such as "agree", "funny" "optimistic" "useful", "informative", "creative", and "winner". And since a post can only receive one of these ratings per rater per post, we are going to see less likes in favor of picking a more descriptive option. And these other options do not contribute to a user's total likes or like ratio.

SO, as a result we should see overall like:message ratios fall as the average likes per post drops. Those two being directly correlated as they both drop.
This also will increase the value of a user's likes from their posts made before August 17th 2014 from when it was easier to receive likes with only one rating option.

In addition it should be noted that all of your own ratings that you GIVE are now visible as a total. Meaning people will see how many A-log, Dumb, and Dislike ratings you give out. While there are certainly posts worthy of these negative ratings, I personally would feel apprehensive about giving almost any out knowing that it would be reflected on my profile.

Would be too black/white to say it is inherently better or worse, but it is certainly different.

Summary: Likes are rare now and worth more, egos will be more sensitive

 

[Watcher]

This new system confuses me, I hate it.
Change sucks.
Imma just mark everything Autistic.

 

[Clown Doll]

(For the record, I think Facepunch is a shitty forum.)

Ditto. It's pretty much a forumized 4chan for kiddies who can't afford the ten dollars to buy a Something Awful forums account or got banned from there by the supertight no fun allowed administration.

But yeah, in my personal opinion Facepunch's ratings system is bad and coupled with the anonymity in ratings it's even worse : Pretty much every thread there has a pre-teen idiot running around and rating everybody "dumb" if the opinion even slightly is different from theirs. When you get your post 'dumb'-rated there, it's not much of a problem because you can check and go "oh yeah, it's that idiot" but with anonymous rating you begin to wonder if there was something legitly wrong with your post, but can't address a rebuttal to anyone because some coward who disagreed with you but didn't have the nerve to actually challenge your view dumbrated you and ran away.

I don't even know what the deal is with having to slow down posting significantly, considering we're only about ~3000 members strong and most people, especially the saltier oldies who've been here more than a year already know the house rules and can act accordingly while the newcomers could be put on a tighter leash(more warnings/short term bans for outright shitposts). These new ratings, in my personal opinion will accomplish mainly only the two of my most hated things about the Facepunch conversation culture, ie. lazy participation/cowardice ("I don't have to actually add in my 2 cents about why I like this post or disagree with it, I'll just rate it "Winner" or dumb and move along", ratings whoring (i.e. : Everyone becoming a tryhard, and trying to farm Winner ratings or funnies) and adds the anonymity layer which makes it harder to identify people with like-minded views and tastes as well as muddies the picture of who is disagreeing with you.

 

[Null]

After looking through the config and what's available to me now, there's no easy way to make negative ratings anonymous. If you call someone dumb or an a-log, they will know. I can't change that without coding something myself.

Glaive is 100% right.
- Posts will decline, but not activity. Specific ratings will take the place of generic posts.
- For the first time, posters that are often given only praise for their posts will see negative feedback without the need of an investigative reply.
- Though people now have the power to be a little mean without saying a word, because this is no less visible, it discourages itself from abuse.

 

[Watcher]

In addition it should be noted that all of your own ratings that you GIVE are now visible as a total. Meaning people will see how many A-log, Dumb, and Dislike ratings you give out. While there are certainly posts worthy of these negative ratings, I personally would feel apprehensive about giving almost any out knowing that it would be reflected on my profile.

Like I said in chat I think it exposes your humanity a little if it shows your negative rankings as well as your positive ones. It makes you appear more honest and less like a yes man who just likes everything

 

[Super Collie]

Glaive's Overly Deep Analysis of New Post Ratings

This new post rating system is going to have an interesting effect on a user's likes. With so many new buttons the overall amount of all powerful "likes" which a post receives is going to drop significantly as people distribute their post ratings among the new positive options such as "agree", "funny" "optimistic" "useful", "informative", "creative", and "winner". And since a post can only receive one of these ratings per rater per post, we are going to see less likes in favor of picking a more descriptive option. And these other options do not contribute to a user's total likes or like ratio.

SO, as a result we should see overall like:message ratios fall as the average likes per post drops. Those two being directly correlated as they both drop.
This also will increase the value of a user's likes from their posts made before August 17th 2014 from when it was easier to receive likes with only one rating option.

In addition it should be noted that all of your own ratings that you GIVE are now visible as a total. Meaning people will see how many A-log, Dumb, and Dislike ratings you give out. While there are certainly posts worthy of these negative ratings, I personally would feel apprehensive about giving almost any out knowing that it would be reflected on my profile.

Would be too black/white to say it is inherently better or worse, but it is certainly different.

Summary: Likes are rare now and worth more, egos will be more sensitive

There are an overwhelming majority of the buttons marked as "Like", even if there is just one actual Like button. Autistic, Disagree, Dislike and Optimistic are all "neutral" and aren't factored into the ratios. The only explicitly negative ones are Late, A-Log, and Dumb. If anything, "Likes" are more common than ever.

edit: <3 you, Clown Doll. Thank you, I am glad someone else sees it the same way I do. Enjoy the WINNER medal. :3

 

[Null]

I don't even know what the deal is with having to slow down posting significantly

The problem is busy threads. When a thread suddenly spikes in activity, it becomes completely worthless. Every page is the same content mauled over or it's just the same people giving each other high-fives.

For the most part, the system is supposed to be fun. It's not trying to make the forum like Facepunch. It adds a little bit of color to the existing like system and may encourage people to behave a little differently. The anonymous aspect is not a factor anymore.


Edit: And 3000 people is a lot. Especially when 100 of them are in one thread.

 

[TL 611]

Okay I think the autism one is a little misleading. I think it should be named "spergatory" or something... Maybe? I dunno, I imagine a lot of people will tag lolcow OPs as autistic or something.
EDIT: (okay you've already fixed that, thanks )

But ya can we have a blart one pleeeeeasseee?

 

[Null]

Okay I think the autism one is a little misleading. I think it should be named "spergatory" or something... Maybe? I dunno, I imagine a lot of people will tag lolcow OPs as autistic or something.

But ya can we have a blart one pleeeeeasseee?

I'll probably add more silly ones to off-topic later.

 

[Super Collie]

Okay I think the autism one is a little misleading. I think it should be named "spergatory" or something... Maybe? I dunno, I imagine a lot of people will tag lolcow OPs as autistic or something.

But ya can we have a blart one pleeeeeasseee?

As far as I can tell, going by the coloration of the numbers when you view profiles, "Autistic" ratings don't add or remove from any ratio. Seems like a tongue-in-cheek throwaway rating that won't hurt or help someone.

 

[Watcher]

As far as I can tell, going by the coloration of the numbers when you view profiles, "Autistic" ratings don't add or remove from any ratio. Seems like a tongue-in-cheek throwaway rating that won't hurt or help someone.

Well autism was removed from negative ratings due to popular demand. And because a lot of users are just going to go through a thread and rate every single post as autistic

 

[OBAMATRON]

Summary: Likes are rare now and worth more, egos will be more sensitive

Slitting wrists as we speak.

 

[Null]

As far as I can tell, going by the coloration of the numbers when you view profiles, "Autistic" ratings don't add or remove from any ratio. Seems like a tongue-in-cheek throwaway rating that won't hurt or help someone.

Yeah, it was a sit-in for "dumb", but immediately everyone began to use it on every post, so I made it neutral and re-added dumb because it carries a stronger, more explicit negative connotation.

Things are considered autistic for various reason. Resistance to change, focusing on obscure shit nobody should really pay attention to, talking about Pokemon, etc. It's not really a bad thing. It's just a joke.

 

[applecat]

I'll probably add more silly ones to off-topic later.

I suggest Blart, Murr, Pretty and Spook.

 

[TL 611]

Can dumb be called "ween" then? It doesn't feel right not being able to call people weeny spergs

 

[Null]

Can dumb be called "ween" then? It doesn't feel right not being able to call people weeny spergs

Nah. I see what you want to do, and I understand, "Chris"-ifying things has always been kind of a forum theme (like with Jerkop, Manajerk, Jerkief) but the thing is that confuses the fuck out of a lot of people. If people saw "Ween" they might throw it on anyone's post for fun. Calling a post "Dumb" doesn't really leave room for the imagination.

I've actually heard people have trouble distinguishing between the ranks on our forum because they don't explicitly say "Admin" and "Moderator", so more explicit is better usually.