Press release: “Incels” need mental health support rather than a counter terrorism intervention, the world’s largest study of Incels finds (accessible

Link: https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...rlds-largest-study-of-incels-finds-accessible

A ground-breaking study has discovered the complex relationship between mental health, a shared worldview and the social networking of involuntary celibate (incel) communities.

The Commission for Countering Extremism (CCE) commissioned the Swansea University Research on the Incel Community (SURIC) to produce this report. This is the largest global study of incels to date.

Key findings:​

  • The answer to the incel phenomenon is more closely aligned to mental health support than counter terrorism interventions.
  • Mental Health: Incels typically display extremely poor mental health, with high incidences of depression and suicidal thoughts (one in three incels contemplated suicide every day for the past two weeks). They are also more likely to be neurodivergent, with a higher likelihood of diagnosis for autism spectrum disorder.
  • Attitudes and Beliefs: Participants perceived high levels of victimhood, anger, and misogyny. They acknowledged a shared worldview among incels which includes identifying feminists as a primary enemy. They also identified the political (far) left, wider society and women as enemies.
  • Approval of violence: There exists a small cohort (5%) who ‘endorse the use of violence to defend their community. When asked if they justify violence against people that incels perceive as causing harm to them, 5% of respondents said ‘Often’. Around 20% said “Sometimes”.
  • Political beliefs: Many commentators have suggested a link between incels and the far right. However, this survey found that incels were politically centre-left on average. The exception was the 5% who agreed that violence against individuals that that cause incels harm is often justified; these individuals were politically centre-right.
  • Predicting harm: Mental Health and adoption of incel Ideology were significantly more likely to predict the development of harmful views than Social Networking (time spent on social network sites, amount of interaction with others, content generation, and exposure to radical people and content).
Commissioner for Countering Extremism, Robin Simcox said:

What incels truly think and believe has been the source of consistent speculation and conjecture. However, all of us – including those who work in counter extremism – should be led by the evidence.
This study is the most exhaustive research into incels yet and provides a major challenge to conventional wisdoms on the topic. It is no surprise to see the authors uncovered alarming and unacceptable attitudes of misogyny and hatred towards women from incels.
However, the report’s findings suggest that adopting a security or counter-terrorism lens towards incels is not often going to be the most appropriate response. Neither is scaremongering about them forming part of a global Extreme Right Wing threat.
Where there is a risk of violence, the appropriate authorities must always be informed. However, finding ways to ensure this desperate, depressed cohort of men, often with poor mental health, are integrated into society and given appropriate support should also be a key part of any response.

Notes to editors​

  • Predicting Harm Among Incels (Involuntary Celibates): The Roles of Mental Health, Ideological Belief and Social Networking will be published on the CCE website at 9am on Thursday 15 February.
  • This research was published as part of the CCE’s ‘Rethinking Extremism’ series, to present innovative and thought-provoking research to government, counter-extremism professionals, and the wider public. It forms part of a wider CCE approach to providing advice and scrutiny to government on the approaches needed to counter extremism.
  • The research was undertaken by Dr Joe Whittaker, Dr Andrew G. Thomas and William Costello from the Swansea University Research on the Incel Community (SURIC).
  • For further information, please contact info@counteringextremism.gov.uk
 
The entire discourse around incels, especially when women are involved in it, is fucking psychotic.
You should under no circumstances be ok with literally half of men under 35 just being completely unable to find a partner. This is societal collapse tier shit. And I guarantee if the cut off was say, 29 instead of 35 it'd be even higher.

It's extremely disappointing to see young women, who are also reporting loneliness and not being able to find a partner, respond to this problem with "ummm this gives me the ick, put them all on a watchlist NOW >:("
 
The entire discourse around incels, especially when women are involved in it, is fucking psychotic.
You should under no circumstances be ok with literally half of men under 35 just being completely unable to find a partner. This is societal collapse tier shit. And I guarantee if the cut off was say, 29 instead of 35 it'd be even higher.

It's extremely disappointing to see young women, who are also reporting loneliness and not being able to find a partner, respond to this problem with "ummm this gives me the ick, put them all on a watchlist NOW :mad:"
Some people are just retarded, okay. They are incapable of grasping that something existing to the extent a good portion of the next generation falls into line with is actually something to worry about. Oh, those are just losers. They'll totally just die off without any issue economically, politically, or socially.
 
You should under no circumstances be ok with literally half of men under 35 just being completely unable to find a partner. This is societal collapse tier shit.
You're right, I'm not okay with it.

I'm actively applauding it and glad that there's no recourse in sight. Sure as fuck ain't going to fix society with fucking votes at this point.
 
The entire discourse around incels, especially when women are involved in it, is fucking psychotic.
You should under no circumstances be ok with literally half of men under 35 just being completely unable to find a partner. This is societal collapse tier shit.
To think mankind has faced/faces high chances of extinction thanks to Ice Age, natural disasters, Americans and Soviets willing to nuke each other, natural resources becoming scarce and what can effectively bring humans to their demise is obviously not being able to procreate not because mankind turned out sterile due to some pandemic disease but because society has become so retarded with its social norms and politics that we managed to let certains groups of people become prevalent.

Troons can't build a family because they either kill themselves before that or they're unfit for that. Incels and autists can't build a family because they're too socially inept/antisocial to find a partner. Junkies and drunkards can procreate but are barely productive to society and can't keep a family because of their habits (Gen X and later generations).

But extinction due to not fornicating is still highly unlikely because we're not at a stage where the whole world became so stupid procreation rates are decreasing at alarming levels. But in a not-so-far future we'll see society and future generations witnessing the consequences of degenerate ideologies becoming common sense.

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Were Gen X the ones responsible for fertilizing the soil that sprouted the harvest of modern day depravity?
Boomers. Well, the answer, as always, is Jews, but Boomers were, and are, the goodest goys. The most colossal hypocrites imaginable; the pull-the-ladder-up-behind-them, and my-offspring-are-my-deadly-rivals generation. My incandescent contempt and geronticidal loathing for the lying, gutless, conformist shits is beyond measure and rational comprehension. Every time a care home nigger suplexes a Boomer, my heart soars, and my pee-pee stiffens. Boomer abuse is my Viagra.

Yes, it's personal and I have... issues. Lookin' at you, pops...

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Something that I've been meaning to ask: What you guys think exactly a shrink would fail in helping an incel? Psychothreapy itself? Because I can't help but imagine a therapist telling an incel something like "Just touch some grass, son. Go hang out in some pub and meet new people.".

I'm thinking an incel patient aside from his lack of social skills would end up becoming an alcoholic. Another issue for him/her to deal with.
Unless the shrink was seriously, and unironically, giga-based and red black-pilled - that is, prepared to be brutally realistic, and therefore completely go against the prevailing social paradigm - I can't see it helping, only making things worse. Besides, (endless fucking) talking is not the answer for men, especially young men - the only palliative is action.
 
As most of you know lots of teenage men and women have started trying to find acceptance literally anywhere, whether it be fantasies of chopping their dicks off, no-lifing video games, drugs but one that interests me a lot is superonline dating. I call it that because it's not the Tinder/Bumble style of people in your area, I mean there are teenagers on Discord, putting their introduction down (it's probably not always on Discord, but that's where I've heard of it the most), and messaging people their age they have things in common with or whatever and literally dating someone online that could either be a couple hundred miles or a fucking continent away, or could very well not exist. With the age of grooming, this was a disaster that was waiting to happen 2017-2019 and has already exploded into a catastrophe. Cannot count the amount of femcels I've heard of being taken advantage of online as a teenager with it ending in self-harm/unwanted sexualization, and it's always on Discord. Even if this teen guy in Shitskin, Lousiana finds the girl of his dreams that loves Earthbound or whatever just like he does but she lives in Australia, I feel it could make the feeling of eternal loneliness a bit worse, because he thinks that the perfect woman is a continent away, and if they lived close together they could both truly be happy. I have no idea what effects this will have on these people when they get older but I don't see any of it being any good. Maybe it can give some incels the connection they've always wanted, but it creates other issues, such as lack of sexual connection and lack of genuine socialization being involved.

A problem that can be attributed to being introduced to this is that, may it be autism, super unpopular/weird interests, social awkwardness or whatever reason (even though I consider it pretty normal behavior), some guys can only find a genuine connection with women who share the some interests with them, and if you live in maybe a super rural area, place with a shitty community or somewhere with the average IQ of about 50 (or all 3), it makes it even harder to find anyone, you feel like you live in a barren wasteland with a bunch of soulless normies, and you seek alternative methods of meeting people.
 
So may an incel have a mental breakdown on society? Because that's perhaps the only course of action they could take.
Perhaps re-word that, because maybe I'm not getting it, because that's not what I'm saying at all. I'd suggest stuff more along the lines of vigorous exercise; like lifting weights or martial arts. Swimming, hiking, cycling, racquet sports, footie - whatever. Anything.

And if they need to be punched, slapped, kicked, whipped, or starved until morale improves, so be it. If we actually cared, we'd try some tough love.
 
There's just asomething deeply unhealthy about American culture where it's actually commonplace for the average, fit, mentally healthy young man to not have reasonable access to women through his work, school, church or interest clubs. I don't know why it's the case now and not 20 years ago (except for every social space moving online, dating apps replacing normal courtship, social media instilling degenerate, narcissistic, short-term oriented values and "smart"phones replacing traditional avenues of conversation), but you can see it in the type of media we consume and interact with.

If you ask me whether Japan will still be Japan in 100 years, I can honestly say so depite their population crisis over there atm. They have their problems, but they seem to be based on everyone being cramped into small spaces and being overworked, things that can be fixed very easily and not due to intrinsic cultural rot. I can say the same for many European countries as well too, despite their terrible leadership and general accpetance of people that don't belong there. I can't say the same for America. There's something deeply wrong with it and it's past the point of fixing.

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It still is, for the guy willing to put in the work.
What do you mean by that? Not everywhere is the same nor is every situation the same, especially in this post-atomized society. You could be a smart guy stuck in a place where the average IQ is low, in a rural area or just have some sort of combination of interests/hobbies that aren't necessarily weird but not socially popular (or some combination thereof). Things like that shouldn't affect your eligability as a bachelor, but they do and you'll have to put in more work in order to find a woman, which may or may jot be possible due to your work schedule and the financial and possible geographic considerations. You are an adult and do have responsibilities of your own. You can't be looking for a girl 24/7. Even if you don't, availability of the type of woman you could be in a long-term relationship at the very least (with marriage and kids as an end goal) isn't assured as many things are in life. I'd advise a dude like that to get the skills he needs from that place and leave.

I find surface level advice like that meaningless and less than helpful because it's very clear the person writing it didn't even think about the complexities that everyone faces in life and just wants to write pointless "you can do it if you try" type advice. It's better than out and out blackpilling, but that doesn't mean it's good or useful.
 
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The very same complexities that I have faced as well. Spare me your batman origin story, if you are unwilling/willing to put the effort in you get the relationship you deserve. Goes for everyone.
Honestly you just sound retarded if you can't even concieve of the fact that different people in different places may have the same problem manifested from different circumstances. All you're doing is making an ass of yourself on the Internet and being a absolute bellend.


Save your boomer tier spiel for some fool that actually cares to listen to your idiocy.
 
Honestly you just sound retarded if you can't even concieve of the fact that different people in different places may have the same problem manifested from different circumstances. All you're doing is making an ass of yourself on the Internet and being a absolute bellend.
half of nu-men are just losers who should die in a ditch, bro
totally nothing is wrong with society
people just aren't working hard enough
 
Yes, nu-males would rather complain on a obscure forum than put in the effort to fix their own problems in their life. Why then do I need to care about their refusal and consequences of?
Because you are pretending to be some kind of MGTOW guru for an imagined lost and helpless nu-male who can't score when in actuality you are a sperg on an obscure forum getting mad that people you don't know are calling you out on your bullshit.
 
If you can't be bothered to respect the guy who wipes your ass why should I? I was once in that same position you describe and I did something about it rather than complain on the Internet. Besides MGTOW is cope for guys who are boring. Stop being boring, it's just that easy.
 
You should under no circumstances be ok with literally half of men under 35 just being completely unable to find a partner.
the people who don't have a problem with it are either boomers who are in the mindset of "well ill be dead soon anyhow" or they're people who aren't PERSONALLY affected so they don't care.

I think what is missed is that most of the discourse on incels is too entrenched in terminally online stuff. Most of the "incels" in real life are just average people (men and women) who are just too squeezed for time and money imo. They have no idea about "chad" or "looksmaxxing" or whatever they're too busy working.

I've run into partnerless people who do act like the kinda people you see on those incel forums but the vast majority of people I know in real life who have never had a relationship or haven't had one for a while its mostly economic concerns and even normies I know have confided in me its been real bad since Covid, it did a lot of damage I think we still have yet to see the full extent of long term.

I think most "incels" have just given up even trying to talk about it as they just don't care and are too tired to even make their case if they are even capable of verbalizing their issues they're dealing with in the first place. So the only people you hear from on the incel side are the retarded losers who think they're owed pussy for jerking it to anime in mommy's basement and all the discourse becomes centered on that as squeaky wheel gets the grease.
 
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And if they need to be punched, slapped, kicked, whipped, or starved
Perhaps they already were: At home or at school.
because that's not what I'm saying at all
Didn't say that you were. I'm only pointing to the only thing they can do.
I'd suggest stuff more along the lines of vigorous exercise
They can have six-pack and chop planks but still spill their spaghetti when talking to a girl. It's more nuanced than that, boss.

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@Spud, you must be one of these retards that complain kids these days don't want to work when actually there's no work for everybody. "Lost Gen faced the Great Depression because they were a bunch of slacks, of course. :smug:"

@Geddy Lee's Fee and See
You could be a smart guy stuck in a place where the average IQ is low, in a rural area or just have some sort of combination of interests/hobbies that aren't necessarily weird but not socially popular (or some combination thereof).
That's a critical factor that might explain a lot (not all of it). Some incels might be dudes who want someone they have things in common with. They're not desperate to the point of hooking up with whatever girl shows up on the radar (specially SJW dangerhairs).
If you ask me whether Japan will still be Japan in 100 years, I can honestly say so depite their population crisis over there atm
Westerners give Japan a lot of shit because of outdated overwork, aged population and suicide memes from ignorant Gaijin but they often forget feminism isn't a thing there and Japanese people still place family and tradition as something crucial for society. The country's issues stem from Japanese Boomernomics and corporate habits that need to be changed (again becuase of J-Boomers).

Boomers around the world are the same and they always be fucking everything up. It's like @Bungdit Din said: The goodest goys.
The sooner this generation die out, the better.

@Seanut Arbuckle
I think most "incels" have just given up even trying to talk about it as they just don't care and are too tired to even make their case
I think most still try to explain their situation but are met with bullshit like "Just have confidence in yourself, bro." which I think it would be frustrating as hell. IRL incels are the last kind of people who'll act with any kind of confidence in whatever social situation much less talking to a woman.

If they do try act like that they end up doing something awkward as hell because incels don't have enough self-perception nor skills to not end up acting like a total sped. They only realize they fucked up afterwards.

Social situations are hard enough to handle for normies because misunderstanding is very common. For incels it's a nightmare.
 
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