Money Problems/Success with Ordering From CWCVille Etsy/Ebay

[BMO]

I was at omegacon last year, and Chris was exceedingly tolerable. I'd say he was at 40th percentile by anime convention standards. (That is, he was more tolerable than 40% of weebs at anime conventions.) He mostly stuck out because he looked weird as fuck and was kind of louder in his sperging than most. Like, he made friends with a few people. I got the impression they thought he was a harmless eccentric.

This is very true. He got loud sometimes, but seemed very harmless. I think as more questions come up, they get exaggerated just a bit more each time.

As I said, I am going to let him know the rules but I am also not going to blow it out of proportion. If it came across that way, then that's my mistake. With the day-of convention things, we'll have the con security check his bags for anything that's not allowed, check up on him sometimes and let him be. He has been very cooperative with me through messages once I explained the issues about having a vending table.

 

[Marvin]

This is very true. He got loud sometimes, but seemed very harmless. I think as more questions come up, they get exaggerated just a bit more each time.

As I said, I am going to let him know the rules but I am also not going to blow it out of proportion. If it came across that way, then that's my mistake. With the day-of convention things, we'll have the con security check his bags for anything that's not allowed, check up on him sometimes and let him be. He has been very cooperative with me through messages once I explained the issues about having a vending table.

Nah, you didn't blow it out of proportion. You've got a job to do, no issue there. This is more of an issue with the perception of Chris differing from the reality of Chris. The two Chris' have a lot in common, but they're not the same thing.

Edit: Heh, speaking of which, I think it was like friday night or something, but last year, I saw Chris walking with someone out of some anime showing. A handful of young women (teens, early twenties) were hanging out, and then they spotted Chris. They ran over and started gushing about how much they loved Chris' costume, and then they all busted out their phones to get selfies with Chris.

You hear any stories like that around the campfire? (Not just this specific one, anything funny involving Chris' antics.)

 

[BMO]

Nah, you didn't blow it out of proportion. You've got a job to do, no issue there. This is more of an issue with the perception of Chris differing from the reality of Chris. The two Chris' have a lot in common, but they're not the same thing.

Edit: Heh, speaking of which, I think it was like friday night or something, but last year, I saw Chris walking with someone out of some anime showing. A handful of young women (teens, early twenties) were hanging out, and then they spotted Chris. They ran over and started gushing about how much they loved Chris' costume, and then they all busted out their phones to get selfies with Chris.

You hear any stories like that around the campfire? (Not just this specific one, anything funny involving Chris' antics.)

He entered himself into the cosplay competition and he wanted the photographers to take pictures of him for free. They usually only do free shots for cosplays that they like or for friends of theirs. He was whining "why won't they take myyyyyyy picture?" and being obnoxious, then started asking other cosplayers to take his picture. Lots of attention seeking was had. He also wouldn't stop playing a parody of "All About That Bass" on his tiny ipod speaker.

Also, the thing with the maid cafe, the story is: he sat down in the maid cafe while I was working with 2 other girls, one was a minor and we were feeling a bit creeped out. He was checking us out, but didn't actually say anything. I was the only one who recognised him, so I let the other girls know. He wouldn't buy anything and the cafe was for purchases of food/drink only. After a few minutes of explaining this to him, he gets huffy and leaves. It wasn't very eventful, just very awkward.

Edit: I feel at some point (closer to the con) there should be a thread dedicated to con related stuff. I really hope he cosplays again.

 

[Marvin]

He entered himself into the cosplay competition and he wanted the photographers to take pictures of him for free. They usually only do free shots for cosplays that they like or for friends of theirs. He was whining "why won't they take myyyyyyy picture?" and being obnoxious, then started asking other cosplayers to take his picture. Lots of attention seeking was had. He also wouldn't stop playing a parody of "All About That Bass" on his tiny ipod speaker.

Chris does love to be the belle of the ball...

Also, the thing with the maid cafe, the story is: he sat down in the maid cafe while I was working with 2 other girls, one was a minor and we were feeling a bit creeped out. He was checking us out, but didn't actually say anything. I was the only one who recognised him, so I let the other girls know. He wouldn't buy anything and the cafe was for purchases of food/drink only. After a few minutes of explaining this to him, he gets huffy and leaves. It wasn't very eventful, just very awkward.

I'm imagining him playing with his DS and occasionally looking up to stare at the girls while licking his lips and muttering to himself.

Edit: I feel at some point (closer to the con) there should be a thread dedicated to con related stuff. I really hope he cosplays again.

Yeah, this is getting kind of off topic. But yeah, there'll definitely be a thread when the time comes.

 

[Mason Verger]

I doubt he has mace anymore. He said in one of his rambling anti-GameStop videos back in December that he disposed of it by spraying it in a hole in the ground, which is an unlawful disposal of a harmful substance. But I don't think he has it anymore.

If this is true then I'm going report him to the local environmental protection agency! We've only got one Earth, it's time this fucker learned that!!
But seriously, let misfortune befall Chris organically. Where the hell is the fun in Chris being forced to abide the rules or be held accountable? Like Marvin said, that's just Chris sitting at home watching bad britcoms with his aged mother. Hi-larious.

 

[Asperchewy]

Ya know, I'd actually be happy for Chris if he had the galls to (Legally) open his own table at the Con. But that would mean buying a table, and moving (Physically) Merch. I wish he had the sense of being able to profit from his Infamy. He might have found a way to improve his life for once, only if he knew better. Online sales does not seem to be working to well for him, since he gets back logged easily. But selling in person would be a whole lot easier.

 

[timtommy]

Ya know, I'd actually be happy for Chris if he had the galls to (Legally) open his own table at the Con. But that would mean buying a table, and moving (Physically) Merch. I wish he had the sense of being able to profit from his Infamy. He might have found a way to improve his life for once, only if he knew better. Online sales does not seem to be working to well for him, since he gets back logged easily. But selling in person would be a whole lot easier.

It seems like the main advantage of selling in person, from Chris' perspective, is that he would be able to make the stuff and then sell whatever he made. No stress, because if he ran out of something, he would just say "sorry, no more, you can buy something else or keep your money."

He could do that online too. He could just list things he already made. No chance of getting backlogged and stressed. But he doesn't. Part of it may be a somewhat legitimate concern about costs. He is quite broke, so if he gets the money upfront, he can use it to buy materials, and there is less of a risk of him being left to swallow the cost of unsold merchandise. But I think it is mostly stupidity and lack of patience. His understanding of logistics is so poor, he can't really figure out how much easier he could make things for himself. And he doesn't want to put off getting money. And his attitude about work is such that if there isn't a guaranteed reward for doing something or consequence for not doing it, he has a tough time doing it.

On the other hand, there is one way his current method might benefit him. We have seen how poor his understanding of the demand for his products are. If he had to guess what people want, he could end up mangling it and losing a bunch of money.

 

[Guy Smiley]

Ya know, I'd actually be happy for Chris if he had the galls to (Legally) open his own table at the Con. But that would mean buying a table, and moving (Physically) Merch. I wish he had the sense of being able to profit from his Infamy. He might have found a way to improve his life for once, only if he knew better. Online sales does not seem to be working to well for him, since he gets back logged easily. But selling in person would be a whole lot easier.

Let's be honest, though, if he had ever had the sense required to profit from his infamy, none of us would be here.

 

[Eddie Slovik]

Let's be honest, though, if he had ever had the sense required to profit from his infamy, none of us would be here.

He already has turned a profit though. I mean, we don't know sales figures for sure, but even with costs I would bet that he has pulled in more from his ebay and etsy excursions than I ever have (I've sold on both previously). That, and there's people just throwing money at him for... reasons...

Just imagine what a per page "Sonichu Comic" Paetron would pull in. The only problem there is that he would actually have to, you know, work?

 

[The American Hedgehog]

It seems like the main advantage of selling in person, from Chris' perspective, is that he would be able to make the stuff and then sell whatever he made. No stress, because if he ran out of something, he would just say "sorry, no more, you can buy something else or keep your money."

He could do that online too. He could just list things he already made. No chance of getting backlogged and stressed. But he doesn't. Part of it may be a somewhat legitimate concern about costs. He is quite broke, so if he gets the money upfront, he can use it to buy materials, and there is less of a risk of him being left to swallow the cost of unsold merchandise. But I think it is mostly stupidity and lack of patience. His understanding of logistics is so poor, he can't really figure out how much easier he could make things for himself. And he doesn't want to put off getting money. And his attitude about work is such that if there isn't a guaranteed reward for doing something or consequence for not doing it, he has a tough time doing it.

On the other hand, there is one way his current method might benefit him. We have seen how poor his understanding of the demand for his products are. If he had to guess what people want, he could end up mangling it and losing a bunch of money.

He also has the option of limiting the available quantities of his items to reasonable levels. If the items then sell out, he could simply reset the listings. Currently, he just sets the quantities to some silly level like 100 or 1000, which shows he doesn't understand the purpose of it.

Chris used to make his figures in advance:

Have you considered making these figures per request instead of making them in advance and hoping they'll sell? I figure it would save you time, money, and materials if you did.

I do it per my specs and whichever Critical Character I am able to get beforehand. If I did what you say, I would be like up to a Month before I would complete One Figure. Especially hunting for Pit, Little Mac and Ness for $X<$30 each, so I can stay in the $50 Price. Magi-Chan will probably sell for $60-$75, because he would require That Pika Tail along with the Ness.

¡Pensa que esta dicendo, chica!

In the recent interview, he mentioned that he now makes them to order:

A: Okay, okay. All right, so um, another question is: some of my associates have actually seen your videos with the Amiibos and stuff, and um, they noticed you have a LOT of them. Are you, are you constantly making them, or do you just, like, move the same ones around a lot?

C: Um, I mean, umm... it's not like to... make 'em all the time and then have 'em ready for distribution at once. Uh, no, it's that, what [sounds?]-- that would be like, totally kind of a waste, there, and then I'd just have rooms full of figures that nobody had purchased. Yeah, no, I make--

A: So you just--

C: Yeah, no, I do--

A: You just make them to order?

C: Yeah, I do it as they-- as they come in, yeah.

It took him months to realize that his production method wasn't working well, and he then shifted to a better method. Unfortunately, he hasn't done the same for his time management. I think a reason he adjusted for one and not the other is because the consequences affect him in different ways.

Chris having unsold stock affects him directly. He can look around and see those items taking up space. The consequences of being unable to ship on time doesn't have that kind of lingering impact. He'd have to deal with the stress of fielding customer complaints and possibly having Paypal seize his funds, but he wouldn't be constantly reminded of it afterwards, plus he'd be likely to chalk up those issues to people being mean and not accommodating his excuses.

 

[AnOminous]

His understanding of logistics is so poor, he can't really figure out how much easier he could make things for himself. And he doesn't want to put off getting money.

Don't forget that he's kind of a douchebag too. He could make this one order right if he wanted to. Maybe the Lulu shit is trickier, but he isn't even trying.

I doubt he's skimped on any McDonald's Mighty Wings or whatever other vile shit he eats these days to be so fat.

Once, long ago, I got in a minor pickle with Amazon book sellbacks while attending school, but you know what? I ate ramen for a week and shipped on time. I'm sure fatty could do that if he wanted to.

The fact is he doesn't because he grew up being coddled and thinks that's the way things should be.

So I hope OP fucks him in the ass.

 

[Trilby]

It seems like the main advantage of selling in person, from Chris' perspective, is that he would be able to make the stuff and then sell whatever he made. No stress, because if he ran out of something, he would just say "sorry, no more, you can buy something else or keep your money."

So I guess he wouldn't take back orders or tell them to buy it online. That's pretty low.

 

[timtommy]

He also has the option of limiting the available quantities of his items to reasonable levels. If the items then sell out, he could simply reset the listings. Currently, he just sets the quantities to some silly level like 100 or 1000, which shows he doesn't understand the purpose of it.

True, that is probably the most logical way of doing it. I think he separates getting paid and doing the work a little too much in his mind. He wants to sell absolutely the max possible because that gives him the most revenue. Then once he gets the money the work is just a pain in his ass. And he doesn't get paid for it, because he already did. It's only a stress causing chore that people should feel bad that he has to deal with. Any solution where he can really internalize the work-money connection is ideal. That way, if he wants to take it easy for a week and earn a little less, it's no problem.

Don't forget that he's kind of a douchebag too. He could make this one order right if he wanted to. Maybe the Lulu shit is trickier, but he isn't even trying.

I doubt he's skimped on any McDonald's Mighty Wings or whatever other vile shit he eats these days to be so fat.

Once, long ago, I got in a minor pickle with Amazon book sellbacks while attending school, but you know what? I ate ramen for a week and shipped on time. I'm sure fatty could do that if he wanted to.

The fact is he doesn't because he grew up being coddled and thinks that's the way things should be.

So I hope OP fucks him in the ass.

Seems a little harsh, but I see your point. I just doubt it is one order.

It seems like the whole thing may be piling up a little. One of three things might have to happen.

1. Demand tails off. He will stamp his feet about the reduced income, but he will be able to get up to speed with his work.
2. He develops some way of keeping control of the number of orders coming in. There are many really easy ways of doing it, he just needs to get it through his head that it is worth doing.
3. Things keep spiralling and he gets in to (moderately) serious trouble with his customers, Paypal, or one of the websites he uses to sell his crap.

I am out of popcorn, so I'll hope for his sake it is one of the first two.

 

[Asandy31]

Ya know, I'd actually be happy for Chris if he had the galls to (Legally) open his own table at the Con. But that would mean buying a table, and moving (Physically) Merch. I wish he had the sense of being able to profit from his Infamy. He might have found a way to improve his life for once, only if he knew better. Online sales does not seem to be working to well for him, since he gets back logged easily. But selling in person would be a whole lot easier.

It would be a lot more easier and more advantageous, since he would get to come across a lot of ladies. Chris, sadly, does not have the potential to profit on a larger scale, once someone who is not a ween, but an obvious charlatan gets a hold of him, he'd be in the red for sure. I respect everyone's views on Chris as a web novelty phenomena, but I can't compartmentalize Chris the salesman from Chris the narcissist and insensitive China demon.
I believe Chris is going to be taken advantage of horribly one of these days, but it still won't generate enough sympathy to get him to where he wants or thinks he needs to be.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

He entered himself into the cosplay competition and he wanted the photographers to take pictures of him for free. They usually only do free shots for cosplays that they like or for friends of theirs. He was whining "why won't they take myyyyyyy picture?" and being obnoxious, then started asking other cosplayers to take his picture. Lots of attention seeking was had.

Also, the thing with the maid cafe, the story is: he sat down in the maid cafe while I was working with 2 other girls, one was a minor and we were feeling a bit creeped out. He was checking us out, but didn't actually say anything. I was the only one who recognised him.

This shit was semi-acceptable when Fatty was 18 but now he's 35 and has crossed into creep territory.

And it's only going to get more disturbing as he gets older. Picture a 50 year old Fatty sitting at a booth ogling the 20 year olds...yick!

 

[January Cyst]

Ya know, I'd actually be happy for Chris if he had the galls to (Legally) open his own table at the Con. But that would mean buying a table, and moving (Physically) Merch.

That could be problematic for him though.
All this would be above board, so he (or in this case the con) would keep track of his income and file it with the proper government authority.
Up until this point, he managed to dodge the government by just not reporting any of his income.
But if he filed this correctly for once, they might start to look into his case.
This will not necessarily mean that he loses his tugboat, but there is a thing called "Earned Income Exclusion".
Basically, the more he earns (and therefore, the more self sufficient he is), the less welfare he receives.
And since he very likely doesn't keep track of his expenses that occur during the production of the items, the man will likely see the complete sales price as income.

 

[Trilby]

This shit was semi-acceptable when Fatty was 18 but now he's 35 and has crossed into creep territory.

Just whining about not getting his picture taken could turn anyone off immediately.

And it's only going to get more disturbing as he gets older. Picture a 50 year old Fatty sitting at a booth ogling the 20 year olds...yick!

That's my concern over this, him coming off like a creep for not taking a hint at his age and what he's doing.

That could be problematic for him though.
All this would be above board, so he (or in this case the con) would keep track of his income and file it with the proper government authority.
Up until this point, he managed to dodge the government by just not reporting any of his income.
But if he filed this correctly for once, they might start to look into his case.
This will not necessarily mean that he loses his tugboat, but there is a thing called "Earned Income Exclusion".
Basically, the more he earns (and therefore, the more self sufficient he is), the less welfare he receives.
And since he very likely doesn't keep track of his expenses that occur during the production of the items, the man will likely see the complete sales price as income.

I'm sure it'll catch up sooner or later.

 

[Asperchewy]

First off, thank you all for participating in a serious discussion on here for once without derailing the thread. I was wary to make this thread in fear of shit-posts. Anyways...

His understanding of logistics is so poor, he can't really figure out how much easier he could make things for himself.

This is perfect! His perception of moving merchandise for profit is nearly non-existent.

Let's be honest, though, if he had ever had the sense required to profit from his infamy, none of us would be here.

Absolutely true.

He also has the option of limiting the available quantities of his items to reasonable levels. If the items then sell out, he could simply reset the listings.... In the recent interview, he mentioned that he now makes them to order.

Etsy gives you the option as a seller to limit quantities or remove items from sale if you run out of stock. Durning the Lulu fiasco, Chris continued to list his comics for sale and even LOWERED the price before pulling the listing while knowing he didn't have stock... Yea, that interview helped shed a tiny light on his business practice.

I hope OP fucks him in the ass.

I wouldn't go that far, but I can assure you all, that my payment is currently frozen in his account during my claim. More info to come in the coming days....

 

[Marvin]

That could be problematic for him though.
All this would be above board, so he (or in this case the con) would keep track of his income and file it with the proper government authority.
Up until this point, he managed to dodge the government by just not reporting any of his income.
But if he filed this correctly for once, they might start to look into his case.
This will not necessarily mean that he loses his tugboat, but there is a thing called "Earned Income Exclusion".
Basically, the more he earns (and therefore, the more self sufficient he is), the less welfare he receives.
And since he very likely doesn't keep track of his expenses that occur during the production of the items, the man will likely see the complete sales price as income.

Chris can make quite a lot of money before it starts to affect his tugboat. It's something on the order of an extra $800/month. He can make up to $800/month (or whatever the limit is) on top of what he gets from his tugboat indefinitely, without affecting his situation.

If Chris has sold $10k over the past two years, that's less than $500/month. (I don't think he's sold close to that much, but he's probably made a few thousand dollars, at least, of profit in the past few years.)

 

[Asandy31]

That could be problematic for him though.
All this would be above board, so he (or in this case the con) would keep track of his income and file it with the proper government authority.
Up until this point, he managed to dodge the government by just not reporting any of his income.
But if he filed this correctly for once, they might start to look into his case.
This will not necessarily mean that he loses his tugboat, but there is a thing called "Earned Income Exclusion".
Basically, the more he earns (and therefore, the more self sufficient he is), the less welfare he receives.
And since he very likely doesn't keep track of his expenses that occur during the production of the items, the man will likely see the complete sales price as income.

Yes, and if this happens he would also have to pay some back, the government is ruthless with money that does not belong to them, but they love to act like it does. All things aside, the government seems to be enjoying persecuting lonesome widows for working a few extra hours overtime while receiving Social Security as opposed to pursuing blatant frauds with autism and personality disorders.

Chris can make quite a lot of money before it starts to affect his tugboat. It's something on the order of an extra $800/month. He can make up to $800/month (or whatever the limit is) on top of what he gets from his tugboat indefinitely, without affecting his situation.

If Chris has sold $10k over the past two years, that's less than $500/month. (I don't think he's sold close to that much, but he's probably made a few thousand dollars, at least, of profit in the past few years.)

It's not just that, but the fact that he intentionally did not report this crap, either way, nothing will come of it, I am sure dozens of people have already tried to take down the government's little autistic darling to no affect.